Posted by morganpmiller on July 9, 2009, at 16:20:55
In reply to Re: ECT - Zeba, posted by SLS on July 9, 2009, at 8:25:37
>It is sabotage to tell someone at the biogenic end of the spectrum that they must have had psychological issues to become ill in the first place, and that they might have to resolve them through psychotherapy before they can become healthy. I would say that "we all have stress", rather than "we all have issues".
I understand what you are saying here. I will still argue that most of us that struggle with mental illness, or all of us(I really think most people in general as I made clear before and you may agree), have some part of our psyche that has been injured(the "issues") by our environment during development and that this should be addressed on some level at some point. I agree it should not be automatically assumed every person that struggles with mental illness developed their mental illness due to environmental factors during development. I see how this could sabotage the treatment(especially the initial treatment) of a person whose causes of mental illness weigh heavily on the side of biology and genetics. I still think that the environmental influence on this strong genetic/biological predisposition should always be considered and that completely disregarding environment and nurture as playing a role may hinder the further treatment/progress of the patient struggling with mental illness. Maybe you agree. The one thing we may have to settle on disagreeing about(not like we have to agree on anything in the first place :) is the belief that we all have issues. I think for most people "having issues" sounds like something bad. It sounds like an attack on their character. If our parents did not give us what we needed(which is most likely the case for the majority of the population), then, don't the majority of us have issues? When I say majority, I'm talking about 90 percent of us. I guess I should not be saying "we all" have issues. We definitely all have stress and we are all vulnerable to stressful events having a major impact on ourselves and our lives. You are right that it is accurate to say "we all have sress" and that it may not be accurate to say "we all have issues". I guess from my experience and from what I have learned in my psychology courses, in therapy, and simply interacting with others, it appears that it is very rare to find someone walking around on this planet that does not have some kind of emotional issue they still carry around with them from childhood, even those with relatively stable upbringings. Maybe I should not say "we all have issues" and maybe I should try to find a way to rephrase that, as "issues" seems to carry a negative connotation and many may take it personally.
I just can't help but feel like all of us do have some part of our psyche that has been damaged by the lack of proper nurture in our development, whether we struggle with mental illness or not. I think it would be very difficult to find someone out there that came out of their childhood completely unscathed. I'm not talking about accidents and other things that may not have been able to be prevented. I'm talking about 2 parents that have made sure they do everything possible to be sound psychologically. They may read as much as possible about parenting as they could. They may have even taken a course on parenting. They both truly love each other and the children can not only see that but feel it. The mother is able to love the child because she loves herself and loves her husband. One thing that surprises me about new parents is they seem to think that they know what they are doing and they don't need anyone telling them what might be best. It would be like entering into a new job that you have never done before and thinking that you know everything and you don't need any training. I understand the reason why parents feel this way. I just think parents need to begin to realize that there is so much to learn and that waiting till you have already made mistakes and learning through making them may be taking a huge risk you their child's health. O.K. I beginning to tangent and rant. This is a better topic for the psychology forum.
Morgan
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