Posted by that_guy23 on November 28, 2008, at 19:11:23
In reply to Re: no stims/no benz BEST NARDIL AUGMENTION d/r » that_guy23, posted by JadeKelly on November 28, 2008, at 12:07:00
> Hi Shawn!
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>Hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving. Sometimes its hard to not be obsessive about finding relief when you feel like we do. Yeah, what you described is exactly what happeneded to me. But, I don't think your increase or my ht crises are what stopped the great feeling we both got for week or two. Everyone I've talked to and what I've researched on my own says that that was initial rush of NE/epinephrine that is expected to go away. It comes back when you get dose increase but just for couple days. When you get to "your" dose you will feel the real A/D effect. I would think you've been at 75mg long enough (too long?) that you could go to 90mg and see what happens. If in couple weeks on 90mg doesn't do it, def augment. Find best Nardil augment for your "type" depression/anxiety and go from there.
>Hope you had a happy thanksgiving, but since i'm from Canada, we celebrated thankksgiving in mid october. I didn't really think the hypotension had anything to do with the euphoria, but maybe my mood change and stuff, maybe not though, they do say maoi's are usually longer to take action Than other A/D's right? I definately agree about 75, and 2 weeks is all I will wait regadless. I have an appt. with my GP on wednesday, so I will get all the details, on laws and what not, if I can, I will see maybe if I can get referals sent to both pdocs. without current pdoc knowing, which I think should be allowed but probably not, and see which would be best for me. either way i'll see what I can do to get appt. asap with someone else. I just hope a miracle happens and my pdoc. up's my dose and wants to augment! haha, thats funny. Speaking of that, I never did tell you about my cousin who I got close to recently, and she did 6 years psychology in university, but didn't persue it yet, because of a relationship and child. Although I encourage her to, in the future. Anyways I spoke to her today, and she's reading up on some research i've done, and her main concern is kinda like your's, she wonders if I am looking to just get high. I don't mean that's what you think, but you worry about the ritalin, and I am glad. She'll realize that thats not it. How would I find out what the best augmentation would be for my anxiety and depression? I thought it would just be trial and error, since everyones different. If you can let me know more on this, I will do what it takes.
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> You remind me so much of my nephew (I had to note you, also, are close to your aunt!). If I can help you sort through some things while you go out and get the life you deserve, I 'm happy to be of service!
> >Thats pretty cool. Yeah thats true about the aunt thing. I already felt we had this good connection and understanding. Now this proves there's even more. Thank's jade your the best, and you definately make a loyal friend!
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> This is just my opinion Shawn, but I'd rather see you on Ritalin 5mg 3xday, than add anymore benz (clonazapam). Btw-That's great you feel that way! Its difficult for people to understand if they havn't been there, don't you think?
I just thought you mentioned somethig before about upping bezo's, or maybe it was just about changing them. And as much as I say they don't do much, if I miss them, for a fulll day, I can tell. Yes definately, i'ts next to impossible to get them to understand if they weren't there, and it's pretty frustrating. But I guess I can see how someone wouldn't undertsand something they never experienced.
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> I would have to agree, that stinks tho that you have so few options. Were you serious that your Mom will handle your meds, especially if you get a stim? Will it put a strain on your relationship? If she's willing, maybe take her to your first appt. so that everyone knows whats what and you're getting some much needed relief. The only thing about an augment (other than ritalin) is that you'll likely have to wait for THAT to kick in also. That new PDoc scares me a little, but if your Mom is in on it, and wants to dispense Ritalin 3xday, you won't be stuck, which is what you are!
I don't think it would put a strain on our realtionship at all, for her it makes her far more comfortable controlling the drugs, and me, I feel that if i't whats needed then so be it. Or did mean having her there to be witness or soemthing? She will probably want to go to first appt. I usually let her, but I think I'd see him alone first since she will try and weigh in on to much, and she might get the wrong idea of how I need more drugs. Because I am gonna explain how I need augmentation very badly! I just don't think I want her there for that, but if she'd like to see him afterwards herself, no problem.
> Anything else, Shawn and you'll just be kidding yourself. But I think you're to the point where you know that! So, sounds like an augment, or small dose ritalin, (I took 5mg 3x day, long time ago for ADD, never caused any problem, had no trouble stopping it).
I Know what I say sounds ridiculous, but It is what I think, maybe as I said before, my sub-concious could play a part in it. It's just so many doctor article's I researched pointed towards ritalin.
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> I don't think I know him but PLEASE DON'T DO THAT!For someone who's had an addiction problem, that type of medicating, for you, I think could lead to a depression you may not be able to get out of. Think about it, sure, it would help us all to jump on a bunch of amphemine type drugs, we'd feel great, until.....
> >No, I didn't mean I had a plan to take aderrall, I was just kinda of trying to show how things are useful, and my only thinking is ritilin, methylphenidate, which through much reserach shows to be safer and cause less anxiety as an ampheamine, auch as adderall. The thing is, I should clear up here. I'm not really stuck on ritalin, I also had in my mind: lyrica, neurontin, and provigil, which is a non-stimulant, but acts as one. These are all, fast acting drugs though, aren't they? I mean they'll work within a week or so, if not immediatly, right?. I just want to be sure, that would bring us back to the best augmentor for my condition. I went through a list on wikipedia, and these struck me as the best. What do you think?
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> >I am definately stuck! Yes I've took everything into account, they are all gonna weigh in, my cousin as well, and after december 11th, a decision will be made. I wouldn't get to see her then until january 19 anyway, so I just have to do whats best right now, to get me moving, and get a good job, that rasies my confidence and self estteem so that I can buy that 4x4 truck and and pick up my girlfriend to be, out of a rain storm. by the summer of 2009. Then a ski-doo to throw in the back of my truck, to take my girfriend for rides. A very fast ski-doo + a very nice very fast car is what I also had, because I am and always will be a JUNKY................. an Adrenaline junky!
> > >> My kids were a lot smaller when he wrote that, and yes I knew about his son. Just heart breaking. I really felt for him, anyone who loses a child. It is the worst he*l.
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> Again, I geuss thats a decision you should make with your family. Explain that you feel desperate at times. Explain it carefully. But I WOULD suggest that your Mom, or someone be involved if you choose "the pusher". Protect you from yourself till A/D starts working.
> >That's quite a possibility, but if I can't get the other one for a month or more, maybe that could workout, I go to the pusher, do you see though after calling him that this many times, I actually feel like I'm going to some drug dealer, he may be totally different, anywy if he's alright I stick with him, but if not I stick with him til I can get to the final pdoc. and give him a try. These are the last in that area, but another hour east there are few more psychiatrist's, but hopefully somewhere in between all of this I see some major cahnge, especially with the CBT as well.
I guess after just writing that, and thinking about it, there's always options, I've just never gotten to this point before. I mean I crashed a couple times before with the booze dpression/anxiety, but picked it back up. This time instead of just getting a med prescribed and not having input, or not really knowing anything about it, and I doomed it to fail and never tried on my own, to change things, and get things done. Because knowone will do it for you, you have to do it yourself. If it's no good change it! If you don't agree say no thank you! I finally started researching drugs for disorders, what was # 1, asking around for success. I wasn't long before I must have learned a bit. I would be talking to my family about it, and they thought I must be smart, sounds like you should be your own psychiatrist. My cousin also mentioned that she was blown away by how much I knew, and siad she thought I was very smart. This really made me feel good, because shes a brain!
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> Not sure. So many privacy laws, etc. I would think he could refer you just as you are and (at your request) NOT to forward records to what ever Doc you want (or don't want). Or even to old PDoc. Just don't know, geuss you could just ask (generically) about privacy laws, as requested by patient.
That's such a good Idea, and I will be trying that at my appt. on wednesday.
On a good note, I just figured I would let you know. I was supposed to do a bit of hard work for my father while he's gone away(works away in the mines). I didn't have it in me for a while, but today I said to myself suck it up, so I went out and did 2 hours of back breking labour, which felt good once it was done. have to get back into things like that if I want to maybe get into mining. After that(which I needed the four wheeler for)I said f*ck it, I jumped on the quad and was gone, remember I don't have a license, so i'm not supposed to drive anything, but don't worry I wore my helmet and used turn signals, and we have a trail right by our house. Remember how I said I was an adrenaline junky? Well as soon as I took of I felt that rush better than any drug you can buy. I decided to go on down the trail, which was actually a graded road that they had goes further down the trail recently, I went right to the end. I said to myself, that was a long ride. So on the way back I put on the trip odometer. I started to head back, and POPPOP, the quad give out. I was froze and new I had enough gas, so I put her on reserve, and away I went. I was froze not even 1/8 of the way home, but I didn't care, this was the stuff I lived for. I pulled into my garden stopped looked at the odometer, 12 km's exactly, so the trip was 24 km's, a nice ride. Your from the us right? That would be around 15 or 16 mile's. Actually where are you from? I'm from Springdale:population 3500. Newfoudland, Canada. Any way I just figured I would tell you all that, cause it really gave me a chance to ease my mind, and made me feel allot better.
> > I may have mentioned, just went up to 40mg Parnate, was on 30mg, and got "the rush" of extra normal happiness, but felt off last night being around so many people. We'll see today! Have the feeling not to the A/D part yet, but soon! Cross your fingures! haha.
So you got the rush of normal happieness at 40 mg's?I would say thats a good sign. Hope it kicks in for you soon, i've got my fingers crossed. Oh yeah, did you get a augmentation after?
Good luck. Please keep me informed of any progress
Your friend, Shawn
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