Posted by Ritch on June 9, 2002, at 6:13:38
In reply to Re: Trimipramine=dreams!-Ritch,Jon, posted by Chloe on June 8, 2002, at 17:38:06
> Mitch, Jon,
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> I am a bit whalloped by the Trimip. It feels so much like an AP. I kinda have a fuzzy head this morning. Which I don't mind, and know will go away. A strange thing did happen though. I slept from about midnight til 5 am very soundly, then I could NOT fall back to sleep. I felt refreshed, like I should start the day. Yeah, right. I wasn't getting up at that ungodly hour. So about 7 am, I fell back to sleep with tons of dreams. All kind of things I wanted to write down. They were so vivid. I would wake, say to myself, I got to remember that, then turn over and fall back to dreamland. Then my faithful dog woke me at 10:20 am to go out, and I just did not want to move. I wanted to keep dreaming and dreaming...
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> But I did get up. But what a clumsy mess I was. I didn't feel very hungry, but kept seeing those little spots in front of my eyes, so I decided to eat, and that helped.
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> This med, from what I read from the abstracts in the cortisol thread, is just the polar opposite of amitrip. Instead of decreasing REM, trimip. increases REM. And I sure had my fill this morning! Another notable thing about this med, is my inability to regulate my body temp. I was freezing in the night, though it was rather cold. But then in the morning I got so hot. When I went outside, I got this petina of sweat with little exertion. I hope this settles down. I really hate excess sweating side effect. Blick. Do you know what causes that one, Mitch? I thought it was Seratonin...
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> I did take 5 mgs more of trimip. than I usually do of ami; that I was taking 20 mgs hs. But trimip's smallest dose is a 25 mgs capsule. So that could attribute to some of my feeling out of sorts and snowed. Or it's the "AP" effect...oh is there any TD potential with trimip? Forgot to ask the pdoc.
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> Hum, I feel photosensitive too. Gee, anything else? I am not complaining, just reporting. It sure is different than amitrip. Do you think the excess dreaming will stop? That is somewhat disruptive. Perhaps I was in some kind of amitrip withdrawal? Since I just substituted one for the other?
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> I am glad I started it on a weekend. I am med sensitive. But I would not have wanted to drive or do anything essential. I ended up painting some lattice. That seemed safe enough.
> So, I hope this helps...I will see how tonight goes. I hope I have ZZZZZZ all the way through the night this time.
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> Chloe
Hi,I like having a lot of dreams, too. Yes, some of what you are experiencing may be a little rebound effect from stopping the amitrip. In fact, I remember reading something about that. Increased REM sleep, and also an anticholinergic rebound-which might explain some of the sweating. I don't think trimip. has as strong an anticholinergic effect as ami. It might take a few days for it to even out. So, it appears to be *more* sedative than amitrip? Just curious how the "brain fog* is during the middle of the day. The TD risk? Well, one thing that is good is that the mfg. doesn't have the usual CYA statement about TD included in the monograph. Although it does list EPS as a potential side effect-however the SE list is inclusive of all TCA's. Given your sensitivity to meds, it probably won't be long if you notice any EPS stuff. I had an early morning awakening myself, and couldn't go back to sleep, but I feel OK. I think it was the pinch of Celexa I took yesterday morning, it always shortens my sleep duration. Anyhow, let us know how things go with the Trimip.?
Mitch
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