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Posted by manic666 on January 6, 2009, at 12:17:19
you all no im comming off cymbalta, an i still take the 4mg loz a day . last time i saw the vet ie shrink it was 10 days before christmas an i asked can i hold the zoloft for 11 days im running 50.50 an i dont want the kids an grandkids christmas spoilt by me.haveing side effects.so i rang the hospital 26 dec for a med script an his secretary said wait till you next see him jan the 12th . the bastard a flick of a pen thats all it takes .i no what the beef is my gp sent him a asking why he wants me off the loz when i do the cbt 19th jan, we carnt see the point in detoxing the loz an takeing in the zoloft when doing cbt. my gp had wrote we are trying to make him better not worse. well this got the shtink in a mood, he said loz loss an the ctb come as a deal. at this point i lost it an said your /ucking assistant near on killed me takeing my 10 loz last time.i aint ready to ditch the other 4 in a hurry. i had three months throwing myself round my bedroom last time . i thought he was going to call for a swat team , it /hit him up. now i see him monday an dont no what to do detox the loz an do the ctb or tell him to stick the ctb an stay with the loz till im ready i mean i used loz for 30 years the nurd.whats his angle does any one no
Posted by Phillipa on January 6, 2009, at 12:51:31
In reply to BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK, posted by manic666 on January 6, 2009, at 12:17:19
Personally after all those years and the fact you're changing ad's I'd stick with the lorazepam. Two changes at once isn't good and it takes a lot of time to detox off a benzo. Love Phillipa
Posted by Gabette on January 6, 2009, at 19:06:13
In reply to BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK, posted by manic666 on January 6, 2009, at 12:17:19
Manic, when that's happened to me,
and it's horrifying, I found out by accident that
zopiclone stops the withdrawal symptoms
I mean for me it REALLY does, it's almost indistinguishable from the Loraz
And I've tried zyyprexz seroquel.. yada yada
and nothing eased the pain of the withdrawal as completely as Zopiclone
I had to take a lot of it, like 5 7.5 pills a day,
I have no idea what the long term side effects of that are, but when in the throes of withdrawal I wasn't too concerned. And it wiped the symptoms right out. For some reason I've found doctors are more willing to prescribe it..This is making me so angry, the anti-benzo crap,
I have no idea why they do this to people.
What they are trying to accomplish.
I'm so sorry you're going through it..
That doesn't help I know.
What the doctors are doing doesn't even make sense.
How is sending someone into a spiral of withdrawal better for mental illness than prescribing some lorazepam..My only hope is that this benzophobia is getting so ridiculous that maybe there will be a backlash, and some Doctors will come out and say
for some people it's the only thing that works.I had one Dr refuse to refill my script it was , and then two days later
when I was out of my mind from the anxiety/withdrawal tell me "it wasn't withdrawal"
Well if it wasn't withdrawal, why did he refuse
to refill the script?
.
Posted by Phillipa on January 6, 2009, at 20:28:28
In reply to Re: BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK » manic666, posted by Gabette on January 6, 2009, at 19:06:13
Gabbette mean nicely but his thought another addict!!! So sick of it too. And it's ridiculous as ad's seem to be worse to withdraw off of from what I read. Aren't benzos the safest meds they've discovered in terms of harming ones self etc? Love Phillipa
Posted by Gabette on January 6, 2009, at 22:23:23
In reply to Re: BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK » Gabette, posted by Phillipa on January 6, 2009, at 20:28:28
> Gabbette mean nicely but his thought another addict!!! So sick of it too. And it's ridiculous as ad's seem to be worse to withdraw off of from what I read. Aren't benzos the safest meds they've discovered in terms of harming ones self etc? Love Phillipa
I found Ad's to be more difficult physically,
I was just "out of it" dizzy, clued out, cold/hot
shaky..Whereas with Benzos it's the emotional effect of withdrawal that makes it intolerable for me
the teeniest negative, fearful or sad emotion is amplified to the point of being intolerable, like being in a house of horrors.
I've never done "recreational" drugs, but I think it's sort of like an emotional acid trip..
Where you hyperfocus on one emotion, or situation and it gets distorted and ghoulish..
It's really too bad it can't work in the other way you know, make yourself really happy focusing on something nice
However..to ad more murk onto the situation
If I'm in a good space emotionally, and decide to withdraw, I've had times where it's been inconvenient but tolerableI always end up back on them though, because
if I have a flashback or something, and end up in the ER it's the first thing they hand me.But it is ridiculous to mess with someone's mind
in such a hideous way, all in the name of mental health, it's ludicrous. I fail to understand what they're trying to achieve, because it's clear that the welfare of the patient is no longer the point...
I'm dependent on my ability to breathe too, so should I learn to live without it??And yes, Benzo's are far less harmful physically than many of the other medications.
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on January 6, 2009, at 23:35:57
In reply to Re: BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK » manic666, posted by Gabette on January 6, 2009, at 19:06:13
Gabette, manic..I absolutely, couldn't agree more, and I am so sorry you guys had to go through all of this. Medical staff (Docs, Pdocs, Nurses...Not all but many) are so misinformed, and some I feel are arrogant and think they hold some kind of 'secret' knowledge about psych meds (and benzos especially). Not only is the contempt they hold for our actions (and knowledge that we sometimes know more about psych meds then them) humiliating, it's like they somehow want us to suffer more, with their patronizing attitude. Benzos have such an absolute record of proving that they do *work*. (Far better and faster, unlike all of the antidepressants and such.) I see it as, if I have to be on medication for the rest of my life (and my gawwdd...our lives are short enough as it is!) every single person has a right to access meds that work. Yes, there are some who maybe "abuse" benzo's recreationally, but my way of thinking is that maybe people who even use them for recreation actually need to be on a benzo anyway.
It's all of this "war on drugs" and 'big brother knows best' hysterical crap. Somebody save us from these sadistic people!
<sigh...> Jay :/
Posted by Gabette on January 6, 2009, at 23:56:16
In reply to Re: BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK » manic666 » Gabette, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on January 6, 2009, at 23:35:57
Yeah.. it's exhausting isn't it?
The cruelty and the hypocrisy both
And as far as "abuse" goes. I think I ranted
about this on the meds board, well..
kind of like what you said about "needing a benzo"
drug abusers aren't bad.. the pain of addiction is their own, and is an attempt to fulfill a need or erase pain (preaching to the choir I know)Having people be rude, patronizing or contemptuous
on a regular basis is going to perpetuate any addicts addiction and counteract anything denying a pill would do.
The stupidity just makes me furious.And one more thing.. while I'm at it.
I hate that expression "drugs are for people who can't cope with reality "
I wouldn't trust anyone who *can* handle reality, look around, you'd have to have no soul..
Posted by Sigismund on January 7, 2009, at 0:48:34
In reply to Re: BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK » manic666, posted by Gabette on January 6, 2009, at 19:06:13
>I had one Dr refuse to refill my script it was , and then two days later
when I was out of my mind from the anxiety/withdrawal tell me "it wasn't withdrawal"
Well if it wasn't withdrawal, why did he refuse
to refill the script?It is punitive thinking......you were not withdrawing; you were seeking drugs (which is an interesting either/or).
It is important to have/find a doctor who can think independently (or at all) of pharmaspeel and the fashions of the day.
I'm just jumping in here after the first drink of the day.
I should read the thread.
Posted by Sigismund on January 7, 2009, at 0:53:34
In reply to Re: BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK, posted by Sigismund on January 7, 2009, at 0:48:34
>I've never done "recreational" drugs, but I think it's sort of like an emotional acid trip..
Where you hyperfocus on one emotion, or situation and it gets distorted and ghoulish..Yes, exactly.
>However..to ad more murk onto the situation
If I'm in a good space emotionally, and decide to withdraw, I've had times where it's been inconvenient but tolerable.But when there was real need, I never could.
Posted by Sigismund on January 7, 2009, at 0:57:08
In reply to Re: BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK » Jay_Bravest_Face, posted by Gabette on January 6, 2009, at 23:56:16
Posted by seldomseen on January 7, 2009, at 2:56:18
In reply to Reality is for people who can't handle drugs (nm) » Gabette, posted by Sigismund on January 7, 2009, at 0:57:08
truly, utterly hilarious.
Posted by manic666 on January 7, 2009, at 5:31:42
In reply to BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK, posted by manic666 on January 6, 2009, at 12:17:19
when i was took in hospital after the overdose. because he had took the 10 loz from me an put me on velafaxine.he said your not addicted ,an you never been prescibed 10 a day ,i said you nob i get 28tabs a month from my g.p to use when needed an no one had stopped the repeat. so i saved what i didnt need , an the hospital were giving them to me while trying to find a a.d.i had loads of them admitted i was starting to run low. so that when he wrote my g.p to stop an the hospital stopped no more supply .but no one took the blame for over precibing ,so pretended not to believe me, in other words a cover up an me being the looser.i may be able to ditch the loz if an A.D works i did it once, but sooner or later you need it back, so why go through the pain for no gain .my wife an carer refuses to come to the hospital as she hates the hole process,plus it may be kick of time at the zoo again.
Posted by Sigismund on January 7, 2009, at 13:43:52
In reply to Re: Reality is for people who can't handle drugs » Sigismund, posted by seldomseen on January 7, 2009, at 2:56:18
I didn't make it up.
I saw it on a T shirt.
Posted by Gabette on January 7, 2009, at 15:52:25
In reply to Re: BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK, posted by manic666 on January 7, 2009, at 5:31:42
yeah, I don't know why we have to go through the agony either, to inevitably end up on it.
Maybe we need to form a lobby group or something rather than just rant on psychobbabble,
I don't know how you'd go about doing that though
Posted by Phillipa on January 7, 2009, at 19:47:45
In reply to Re: BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK, posted by Gabette on January 7, 2009, at 15:52:25
Why put a person on an atypical antipschotic if it can cause weight gain, diabetes, risk of Td. Benzos are safe and probably will be on them rest of life. Unless the magic pill is invented quickly. Love Phillipa
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on January 8, 2009, at 12:28:22
In reply to Re: BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK, posted by Gabette on January 7, 2009, at 15:52:25
If Ativan, Xanax, et al where going for almost 2 bucks or more a pill, like our lovely friend Zyprexa, I somehow don't think we would have such a 'problem'. But, I have to add, I still think much of it is a "control" issue. Many docs/pdocs like to play god, and get some kind of weird pleasure from their sadistic behaviour. As writer Andrew Solomon says in his amazing book "Noonday Demon" , if it seems like you know more then your pdoc about certain drugs, quite likely you do.
Jay
Posted by Sigismund on January 8, 2009, at 14:54:40
In reply to Re: BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK..$$$$$ » Gabette, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on January 8, 2009, at 12:28:22
>if it seems like you know more then your pdoc about certain drugs, quite likely you do.
We might not know much but we at least know the names.
Posted by Gabette on January 9, 2009, at 0:38:06
In reply to Re: BLACKMAILED BY SHRINK..$$$$$ » Gabette, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on January 8, 2009, at 12:28:22
No Jay, they are after our best interest, money has nothing to do with it.. your depression has made you so cynical : )
I've mentioned this on Babble before, but when my shrink wanted me to try Seroquel, I said well the ativan works just fine for me, and I don't see the need to try something new.
She said "Well.. the long term effects of benzodizepines, aren't good, they cause memory loss, lethargy.."
I said "Seroquel has been out for two years?"
"About that" She saidWell, then how do you know that the long term effects of Seroquel aren't going to be worse?
She at *least* admitted I had a point, I'll give her that, but geez it was hardly a genius question I asked, I'd kind of like to think my Doctor could think that one out on her own..
Or perhaps she had thought it out, and had "other reasons"
Oh dear Depressio has made me a cynic too..
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