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Posted by Deputy Dinah on December 22, 2008, at 18:02:32
In reply to Re: Please clarify and/or rephrase » SlugSlimersSoSlided, posted by Deputy Dinah on December 22, 2008, at 17:15:06
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Posted by lucie lu on December 22, 2008, at 19:02:34
In reply to Thank you my supporters, posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on December 22, 2008, at 10:58:15
Hi 4S/HF,
I am glad that you are posting again. It is good to see you on the board. I think that most of us (including the deputies), have had a lot of genuine sympathy and caring responses for you since you are obviously going through a very difficult time. You have gone through a lot, unquestionably. Many of us have had very painful, difficult, dysfunctional, if not abusive childhoods that we are trying to work through, and there is no way that one can ignore the pain of someone else who is going through what we have experienced (past or present). In addition, your terrible situation with your previous T, and his egregious actions, is something we have all been witness to on this board. And you have been injured profoundly from his blatant boundary violations. I personally would like to see him "disbarred" from practicing. I think that this is still a major source of pain for you, and you have loads of support and empathy from people on the board. If you feel you need more, please feel free to ask -I think I can speak for others that we all want you to be able to move on from the pain that jerk put you through. And in terms of the childhood abuse issues, we do understand and it may take a long time to work through those too.
I think what the deputies may be suggesting is not to be reductionist or polarizing, through verbal expression, about what has happened on Babble in connection with your situation. It did stimulate a controversy, and I can imagine the temptation you might feel (as I might, honestly) to "praise" one side over the other for their "loyalty" to your cause. But the controversy, particularly on the admin board, expanded beyond your particular situation, HF. And one could be on one side or the the other, so to speak, and both still be supporting you personally. I think that's important for you to keep in mind, that the desire to support you was not divisive here. Not at all.
So I think that what is being suggested here is that if we do not form groups over what has happened, that would leave us *all* free to simply support you, HF, which is clearly what you need right now and what we would like to provide. It's as simple as that.
I hope this helps. I do welcome you back, 4S/HF, and want to help to ease your pain. I also hope you change your name again - I find the "slugs" part of your new name hard to relate to you; HF was more in keeping.
All the best,
Lucie
Posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on December 22, 2008, at 19:32:03
In reply to Re: Thank you my supporters » SlugSlimersSoSlided, posted by lucie lu on December 22, 2008, at 19:02:34
fp divl fpmvlru fovld ;ivor ;ir o ksyr pi dp ,ivj upi str divj s noyvj/
Posted by Partlycloudy on December 22, 2008, at 20:03:52
In reply to Re: Thank you my supporters, posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on December 22, 2008, at 19:32:03
> fp divl fpmvlru fovld ;ivor ;ir o ksyr pi dp ,ivj upi str divj s noyvj/
Well said!
Posted by lucie lu on December 22, 2008, at 20:38:05
In reply to Re: Thank you my supporters, posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on December 22, 2008, at 19:32:03
Ksnsdyjfd? wjasgbs shsg n anajm?
Posted by rskontos on December 22, 2008, at 21:51:17
In reply to Re: Thank you my supporters, posted by lucie lu on December 22, 2008, at 20:38:05
What's this?
rsk
Posted by obsidian on December 22, 2008, at 21:55:38
In reply to Re: Thank you my supporters » lucie lu, posted by rskontos on December 22, 2008, at 21:51:17
now I need one of those special decoder things...like they might have in a cereal box or something
Posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on December 22, 2008, at 23:15:51
In reply to Re: Thank you my supporters » SlugSlimersSoSlided, posted by lucie lu on December 22, 2008, at 19:02:34
I was simply thanking those who did support me during my block. I am not trying to praise anyone's side or loyalty, and I don't "have a cause". Plus I wasn't trying to be reductionist or polarizing, through verbal expression, about what has happened on Babble in connection with your situation. (all your phrases)
I was simply thanking those (who know who they are) who took the time to support me by emailing or babblemailing me and trying to contact me to see how I am. That is all I meant.Is this post by you, what you mean by supporting me?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081003/msgs/867474.html Just wondering...
Posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on December 22, 2008, at 23:23:00
In reply to uh oh..., posted by obsidian on December 22, 2008, at 21:55:38
Maybe Alf might be able to help you, remember that show? lol
Posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on December 22, 2008, at 23:26:11
In reply to Re: Thank you my supporters » SlugSlimersSoSlided, posted by Partlycloudy on December 22, 2008, at 20:03:52
I am glad you understand! lol
Posted by Deputy Dinah on December 22, 2008, at 23:30:49
In reply to Re: Thank you my supporters, posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on December 22, 2008, at 19:32:03
> fp divl fpmvlru fovld ;ivor ;ir o ksyr pi dp ,ivj upi str divj s noyvj/
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, even if you type it one letter to the right.
You were blocked for two weeks last time, so I'm going to double it to four weeks. I'll run the numbers by Dr. Bob and if he wishes to adjust the block length, he will announce it here.
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Deputy Dinah on December 22, 2008, at 23:35:17
In reply to Re: Thank you my supporters » SlugSlimersSoSlided, posted by Partlycloudy on December 22, 2008, at 20:03:52
> > fp divl fpmvlru fovld ;ivor ;ir o ksyr pi dp ,ivj upi str divj s noyvj/
>
> Well said!If you did indeed decode this message, I'm going to have to ask you to please not repeat statements that could lead others to feel accused or put down, and please do not endorse statements that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by obsidian on December 23, 2008, at 0:23:06
In reply to Please be civil » Partlycloudy, posted by Deputy Dinah on December 22, 2008, at 23:35:17
has it really gotten to this point?
holy crap!
Posted by Wittgensteinz on December 23, 2008, at 7:13:14
In reply to Re: Please be civil, posted by obsidian on December 23, 2008, at 0:23:06
I'm not sure if this is necessary but when I read through this thread I was shocked by the coded message but like PC I first read it as 'jibberish' assuming it was just a matter of wrong fingering on the keyboard.
In case people don't read the admin board: PC responded to the fact that something illegible was posted and NOT to the coded message that was in fact posted.
LL - I just want to say (and I have no idea how you feel about this thread) that your posts are VERY valued here, and apart from the occasional glitch this is a safe and supportive place, and I really hope you find it possible to continue contributing.
Witti
Posted by seldomseen on December 23, 2008, at 7:52:01
In reply to Misunderstanding the jibberish, posted by Wittgensteinz on December 23, 2008, at 7:13:14
To lucie,
I hope you will stay as well. You are very very much valued and respected here.My heart immediately went out for you.
I hope you can see that there is love and stability to be had here.
Love and peace to you my babble friend.
Seldom.
Posted by Nadezda on December 23, 2008, at 10:16:26
In reply to Re: Misunderstanding the jibberish, posted by seldomseen on December 23, 2008, at 7:52:01
This thread is such a sad one, to me. I wish we could all just get along--at least enough so that our occasional disruptions and misunderstandings could be contained by the caring. I know it's not always possible, but it is painful.
Nadezda
Posted by muffled on December 23, 2008, at 10:20:52
In reply to Re: Misunderstanding the jibberish, posted by seldomseen on December 23, 2008, at 7:52:01
I wondered if the gibberish meant something but I didn't try and figger it cuz I suspected it wasn't complimentary.
I understand that blocks are hurtful.
I understand that there is much pain.
I even understand lashing out in our pain.
BUT, despite the fact I feel for others in theor pain, I DO NOT agree with this place as a place to post things that are likely to trigger and cause pain to others.
Once the code is decoded (and I suggest to those who haven't to not do so, I only did 4 words then stopped...) it becomes obvious that it is a pain thing, and not appropriate here.
I am slowly starting to understand some of the bigger picture in treying to operate and run a place such as this.
I really feel badly for HF, she is in a incredibly hard place in therapy. But it seems she has an excellent T, and wonderful children. So she has good things and I am so thankful for that. I really wish HF could be here, and I pray she will come back when she feels more stable.
I hope she understands that there are many, if not all of us here rooting for her and wishing her well, even if she can't understand that right now.
So many times Bob has said 'this is not necc the place...', ugh, I s'pose I have to agree. Anger I think is likely very very triggering to many of us and causes huge disruptions and more hurt on this board and on admin. It doesn't bring us together in support. It drives us apart in our fear and confusion. It makes this place feel unsafe.
Ultimately, I hope, hope, hope, that this flare up does not drive us babblers further apart, but brings us together, somehow.
I think we need to trust that we all have good intentions.
I think we need to trust that HF T and other supports in her life will help her.
Maybe we can pray to our asst higher powers for her.
I don't know what else we can do.
Other than promote peace here....
I hope we can.....
Can we?
M
Posted by jammerlich on December 23, 2008, at 10:21:36
In reply to Re: Please be civil, posted by obsidian on December 23, 2008, at 0:23:06
Apparently we have, and I find myself shocked and saddened.
Posted by Nadezda on December 23, 2008, at 10:23:57
In reply to Re: Misunderstanding the jibberish, posted by seldomseen on December 23, 2008, at 7:52:01
I also wanted to mention that Lucie's posts are ones that have helped me in my thinking and for which I'm very grateful.
I regret not having mentioned some of those at the time.
Nadezda
Posted by lucie lu on December 23, 2008, at 12:47:23
In reply to Thank you my supporters, posted by SlugSlimersSoSlided on December 22, 2008, at 10:58:15
To those who responded to this thread with concern, not to worry. There won't be any bloodshed ;) I do not consider this a big deal. I am a very poor target to insult, as such efforts for me tend to have very little impact or meaning. So I am sorry not to be responding if that was the intention and for not rising to the occasion, if there is one.
I taught for many years. As such I have dealt with many things, including teachers' names written in the boys/girls bathrooms with colorfully descriptive phrases, the equivalents of frogs left in the top drawers, and yes, even coded notes and messages. I do not intend to decode any such messages - didn't then and won't now - nor have I any interest in doing so. It really is such a small blip on my radar screen, especially in comparison to things that are happening in my own life right now as well as those of people I care most about. It is a difficult time of year for so many.
4S, you asked me a question and I will try to answer it. In my mind, there is a clear distinction between a person and a person's behavior. My comments in the admin post you referred to are clearly, I think, aimed at the behavior that was being discussed. I do apologize for the strong language; anyone who reads my posts will recognize that that is hardly the way I usually express myself. I was shocked and angered, my language reflected that, but I should not have let my emotional response dictate how I behaved. That demeaned me and I wish I had not written it, not just for you but for myself.
My comment in this current thread was that many or most of us have feelings or responses of sympathy for your situation and your emotional pain. And in another post on the admin board, I expressed sympathy that you were having a tough time and also expressed anger at your T for causing you such pain. I expressed support for you in that he clearly did wrong by you and you experienced a great deal of pain as a result. If I remember correctly, I think I said I thought he should be "disbarred." My feelings expressed then were about you, not your behavior. They were in support of you, at least by my definition; not your behavior.
The other point I'd like to make again is that that admin thread was not all about you. There actually were some fundamental issues being discussed. I feel strongly about how I experience Babble, and I expressed those thoughts and feelings throughout that thread.I hope that I've made my feelings and positions clear in response to your above post to me. I think there is little more for me to say on the subject, as I think I've pretty much said it all on admin. There are other things, and people, on Babble that I also want to pay attention to right now; as far as I'm concerned this matter is closed.
I hope you find some peace, 4S. May 2009 be a better year for you.
Lucie
Posted by Wittgensteinz on December 23, 2008, at 13:08:04
In reply to Not a big deal to me, posted by lucie lu on December 23, 2008, at 12:47:23
Posted by Phillipa on December 23, 2008, at 13:28:18
In reply to Not a big deal to me, posted by lucie lu on December 23, 2008, at 12:47:23
I don't get the whole code thing just found this. Guess will see if anything at admin. Phillipa
Posted by Deputy Dinah on December 24, 2008, at 9:21:25
In reply to Blocked for four weeks » SlugSlimersSoSlided, posted by Deputy Dinah on December 22, 2008, at 23:30:49
Replies of an administrative nature should be redirected to that board. Here's a link.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081003/msgs/870619.html
Posted by muffled on December 24, 2008, at 16:59:53
In reply to Redirected to Administration, posted by Deputy Dinah on December 24, 2008, at 9:21:25
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081003/msgs/870511.html
Posted by Dinah on December 24, 2008, at 17:01:15
In reply to NOTE:**The PBC above was rescinded**, posted by muffled on December 24, 2008, at 16:59:53
This is the end of the thread.
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