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Posted by pinkeye on May 2, 2005, at 18:16:17
Do any of you feel that babble makes you keep regressed and kind of wallowing in the mud?
I am thinking maybe since everyday I come here and reas about other people's hardships with losing their T, it kind of evokes the feelings again and again for me. Even though personally I feel I am fully kind of recuperated from my transference and understood its origins and how it was really about my father and not about my ex T etc.
But I still find it hard to not hurt. Is it possible that reading therapy stories again and again is causing me to regress? Or is it the other way around? That I regress anyway, and coming here helps venting and curing and healing?
Anybody else felt it?
Posted by alexandra_k on May 2, 2005, at 19:23:53
In reply to Is Babble keeping me regressed?, posted by pinkeye on May 2, 2005, at 18:16:17
> Do any of you feel that babble makes you keep regressed and kind of wallowing in the mud?
Hmm. I wonder that at times. But then I think about how much it helps me move foward and stop wallowing in the mud too...
> I am thinking maybe since everyday I come here and read about other people's hardships with losing their T, it kind of evokes the feelings again and again for me. Even though personally I feel I am fully kind of recuperated from my transference and understood its origins and how it was really about my father and not about my ex T etc.Fully 'kind of' recuperated???? Maybe that the hurt comes up when you read about other peoples similar situation... Well, maybe that shows you that there are still a few issues around that...
I get that my transference is about my father.
But I still grieve.
After a while (or I should say at times)
I am not grieving about my t
So much as about my father.
Thats not resolved.
No way.
Maybe that is where you are at as well???
Maybe it would be helpful to talk about your father issues more?
Maybe people can help you start to make those
(the root of it all)
Better as well???> But I still find it hard to not hurt. Is it possible that reading therapy stories again and again is causing me to regress? Or is it the other way around? That I regress anyway, and coming here helps venting and curing and healing?
Hard to know hard to know.
> Anybody else felt it?Yeah.
Sometimes.
Though I really think it is the latter in my case.
Posted by pinkeye on May 2, 2005, at 19:34:36
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » pinkeye, posted by alexandra_k on May 2, 2005, at 19:23:53
Thanks Alexandra. I get what you are saying. I think I am at the same stage. Where I have realized it is all about my dad. It was a huge step for me. But now I have to figure out how to minimize the longing that I have for an impossible relationship with my dad. It was not my mistake, it was more the way my dad led me to believe it should be. But I am the one who pays the price for it.
I think you are right, just not coming to babble is not the answer, because this longing is going to be there. And it is going to manifest in different forms.
> I get that my transference is about my father.
> But I still grieve.
> After a while (or I should say at times)
> I am not grieving about my t
> So much as about my father.
> Thats not resolved.
> No way.
> Maybe that is where you are at as well???
> Maybe it would be helpful to talk about your father issues more?
> Maybe people can help you start to make those
> (the root of it all)
> Better as well???
Posted by alexandra_k on May 2, 2005, at 19:54:37
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » alexandra_k, posted by pinkeye on May 2, 2005, at 19:34:36
> Thanks Alexandra. I get what you are saying. I think I am at the same stage. Where I have realized it is all about my dad. It was a huge step for me.
Yeah. Same. And that one comes and goes. Sometimes I think it is about t. Other times I realise that because of the intensity it is really about my father. Sometimes I see a bit about how that really distorts my perceptions about t's. Other times I lose sight of that.
>But now I have to figure out how to minimize the longing that I have for an impossible relationship with my dad.
Maybe grieving is part of that.
For what is lost.
Just a thought.
I don't know.
Posted by Dinah on May 3, 2005, at 8:24:31
In reply to Is Babble keeping me regressed?, posted by pinkeye on May 2, 2005, at 18:16:17
Not really.
Look how frustrated and stuck I felt in therapy yesterday.
We could have gone on for sessions butting heads, but the excellent input I got here may get us past that unproductive period much more quickly.
Psychological Babble isn't *just* about transference. (Although transference is a fascinating topic).
Posted by whirlpool on May 3, 2005, at 13:55:06
In reply to Is Babble keeping me regressed?, posted by pinkeye on May 2, 2005, at 18:16:17
Hi pinkeye,
If you still experience the same feelings after reading about other people's difficulties, maybe you still have issues to work out around that. You probably wouldn't feel such a disturbing response if the transference problems weren't affecting you any more.
In any case, I think it is always very helpful to read about other people's hardships and to discover that you are not the only one with such difficulties. I used to think no one else thought and felt like me about many issues involving therapy and was surprised to see that was not the case. If you feel severely triggered by several posts, you can decide which threads might be better not to follow during that time, but on the whole you will probably gain more from the sharing of information and support on this board than from staying away.Whirl.
Posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 13:55:23
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » pinkeye, posted by Dinah on May 3, 2005, at 8:24:31
Thanks Dinah.
I jsut wrote a huge email to my ex T. Explaining everything I understood. About my fahter and everything.But I didn't send it. It would help me move past all the issues, if I could send him and he understands, but I don't think he would respond.:-(
Posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 13:57:48
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed?, posted by whirlpool on May 3, 2005, at 13:55:06
Thanks a lot Whirlpool. You seem pretty wise. I just wrote a huge email to my ex T, about what was happening and what I understood. How all my issues were really about my father, and not about him. But I have terminated with him and I don't have the guts to go and send it again.
Posted by whirlpool on May 3, 2005, at 14:11:36
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » whirlpool, posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 13:57:48
Sometimes writing it down helps make things clearer for you, even if you decide not to send it. Discussing it on this board or with your current T might also help.
Posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 14:15:42
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » pinkeye, posted by whirlpool on May 3, 2005, at 14:11:36
Thanks. I have done both of the things that you have suggested endlessly. It does help to a good extent.
But it is not the same thing as getting some understanding from the person who you have the transference towards. I think lots of healing really comes from the relationship itself, rather than the knowledge. Knowledge doesn't help emotions too much. It helps 80 %, but to really heel, I think it needs a relationship. And somehow now, I want my ex T, to tell me that what I felt/did was all ok. That he understood.
Anyway, I know I won't be getting that kind of response. So there is no use.
Posted by whirlpool on May 3, 2005, at 14:38:55
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » whirlpool, posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 14:15:42
Yes, I know what you mean. Knowledge can have such a limited effect when what is really needed is a personal response. It is understandable that you don't want to send the email, since you are quite certain you won't receive what you need. Maybe if he could know how important it is for you, he might give you what you need. But I know it is more complicated.
Posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 14:45:01
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » pinkeye, posted by whirlpool on May 3, 2005, at 14:38:55
Thanks for the understanding. I think you are new to this board, so here is an welcome from me. ((Whirlpool)).
I have tried several times to tell him. And I have terminated with him 3 months back, and haven't gotten any response to my subsequent emails. So I don't want to go again and send one more. He would most likely just dismiss it. And it would hurt me only even more. Maybe there is no point in trying to heal further.
Sorry I am sounding so bitter today. Usually I am not this bitter.
Posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 15:03:59
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » whirlpool, posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 14:45:01
Anyway, I am sorry for the tone of my posts. I have been having a rough time, and I think I am just venting out.
You are new to this board, and I know you don't know my full story.
Shortly - I had a very good T, and I had to terminate with him, and I had huge transference issues (mostly about my dad - as I came to realize later) with him. But I am still not over the termination and my issues with my dad etc.
Sorry again.
Posted by whirlpool on May 3, 2005, at 15:16:53
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » whirlpool, posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 14:45:01
Thanks for the welcome, Pinkeye.
And for the understanding you always have for everyone.
Could there be another explanation for not having received a response from your former T after termination? It could be a coincidence, and maybe something happened that didn't enable him to have access to a computer, for instance. I know it's a long shot, but...from your acquaintance with him in the past, is he the kind of person who would ignore your emails, especially if you told him how you felt?
In any case, please don't assume there is no point in trying to heal further. You may feel that way now, but that's because it is still so painful for you.
I had a problem with a former T whom I was very attached to and who very much hurt me emotionally. This happened several years ago and I am still not over it, but with time and after discussing it with other people I began to understand that he must have his own problems. And now it seems more important to me what my current T thinks.
I think that with time you will feel less of a need for "approval" from your former T.
You may also decide to send him an email telling him how all this is affecting you, and even though you may not receive a reply, knowing that he read it might also have a helpful effect.(((Pinkeye)))
Posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 15:31:44
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed?, posted by whirlpool on May 3, 2005, at 15:16:53
Thanks a lot Whirlpool. You seem very understanding too. Your post brought tears to my eyes.
My ex T was a pretty good person. And he tried his best to help me. You were right, from my past experience, he wouldn't have ignored me.
But now that I terminated with him, I think he doesn't want to hear anymore from me. Otherwise, he would have said so. I have asked him to tell me if it is ok to keep in touch. He didn't respond. Plus he has retired also. So it is not right for me to disturb anymore as well. It feels like bugging him to me, and I don't like the feeling. If I hadn't terminated that would have been a different story. And atleast if he was currently praciticing, I would have felt better. But this is like intruding into his personal life and time.
I don't think it has anything to do with any other circumstance - like coincidence or no access to computer etc.
Thanks again for your understanding. I don't have any attachment towards my current T, so whatever she says is only information for me. It doesn't carry any personal significance. I think that is crucial to healing.
Posted by whirlpool on May 3, 2005, at 16:06:56
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » whirlpool, posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 15:31:44
I am sorry that your former T decided not to respond. Does he know that you have a new T? Maybe part of the reason for his lack of response is due to his feeling that keeping in touch with him would somehow disturb your therapeutic relationship with her. I mean, besides personal reasons, maybe there are professional reasons behind his behavior as well.
Is your lack of attachment towards your current T due to your feelings about your former one, or do you feel it is something about her that is lacking?
Posted by whirlpool on May 3, 2005, at 16:18:10
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » whirlpool, posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 15:31:44
I am sorry that your former T decided not to respond. Does he know that you have a new T? Maybe part of the reason for his lack of response is due to his feeling that keeping in touch with him would somehow disturb your therapeutic relationship with her. I mean, besides personal reasons, maybe there are professional reasons behind his behavior as well.
Is your lack of attachment towards your current T due to your feelings about your former one, or do you feel it is something about her that is lacking?
Posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 16:24:32
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » pinkeye, posted by whirlpool on May 3, 2005, at 16:06:56
I don't know why Whirlpool, but your posts seem to trigger something in me. Kind of like strikes a chord, and it keeps bringing tears to my eyes. I don't know why though. In a good way. Not in a bad way.
My former T knows that I am going to a new T here. Maybe what you have said is possible. But I doubt it. More than likely, he thought he was hurting me more than helping me - because of my transference to him (at that time it was purely romantic transference - only now I understood it is actually more paternal kind of thing), and he had retired from practice also. So maybe he thought it is not a good idea to keep in touch or unethical to keep in touch. Or maybe he just got bored with me as well. I had been writing to him non stop for 2 and a half years, and maybe he just got fed up. Anyway, I thought he liked me as a patient, but in his last mail he had written there was really no question of liking me or disliking me. So I figured he must have just got fed up with me.
My non attachment to my current has nothing to do with him. She doesn't encourage any attachment. And she is not very warm or caring. In fact she is pretty cold - and doesn't empathize with me that much. But she is very capable, and has lot of insights. Except that she is almost like a blank slate most of the times, and it is hard to feel any attachment to her.
Thanks for listening to my story.. everybody else in this board are already fed up of hearing my story over and over again.
Posted by whirlpool on May 3, 2005, at 16:34:11
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » whirlpool, posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 16:24:32
Pinkeye, I'm sure no one is fed up with hearing you. Not your former T, either. You are such a kind, sensitive and insightful person. It is a shame you are hurting like this.
I am sorry I have to go offline now, but there are things I wanted to add and will continue tomorrow.
Take care,
whirl.
Posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 16:46:13
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » pinkeye, posted by whirlpool on May 3, 2005, at 16:34:11
Thanks so much Whirlpool. You don't even know me all that well yet you are so kind to me.
I am sure you will find lot of support on this board for helping in your own stuff as well. I am glad I found this board. It has helped me so very much.
Hugs,
Pinkeye.
Posted by Dinah on May 3, 2005, at 20:29:05
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » whirlpool, posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 16:24:32
I think most of us recognize it's part of the process.
Posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 20:38:46
In reply to Pinkeye, we are not!, posted by Dinah on May 3, 2005, at 20:29:05
Thank you Dinah.
It must be something to do with my own psychology. I never feel it is ok to feel things myself. I tell others it is ok. But I never really allow myself to feel. I keep denying it and somehow think I am being a pain to everyone around me. Even though I recognize I don't feel that way about others. I think lot of it has to do with how I was brought up as a child and being completely isolated from everyone and having had to please my father all the time. I even gave up my basic need to even talk to my mom and connect with her because my dad asked me not to. And I think it is continuing till today.
Posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 21:21:27
In reply to Re: Pinkeye, we are not! » Dinah, posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 20:38:46
Anyway, I feel really bad to keep blaming my dad also. I am 28 now, I should be able to feel as I want.. Not still be controlled by ghosts from the past.
Posted by Tamar on May 4, 2005, at 3:45:37
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » whirlpool, posted by pinkeye on May 3, 2005, at 16:24:32
> Thanks for listening to my story.. everybody else in this board are already fed up of hearing my story over and over again.
We're not fed up. Many of us tell our stories over and over. I know I do! Tell it as often as you need to. We'll be here for you.
(((((pinkeye)))))
Posted by pinkeye on May 4, 2005, at 12:18:34
In reply to Re: Is Babble keeping me regressed? » pinkeye, posted by Tamar on May 4, 2005, at 3:45:37
Thanks Tamar.
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