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Posted by warmthinthecold on October 1, 2006, at 4:19:48
Hi. Can anyone tell me what works best with male anger problems (frustration,irritability,bottled rage)? Your experiences,would be greatly appretiated.
Posted by Declan on October 1, 2006, at 22:30:14
In reply to anger, posted by warmthinthecold on October 1, 2006, at 4:19:48
This is the wrong board I guess, but I think cannabis works well for that, at least as far as converting anger into fear.
If however you want your anger and irritablility to just go away, I dunno.
Vervain is OK for agitation, so that might help.
Skullcap is a good herbal sedative.
It's interesting that sedatives can make anger worse.
Posted by warmthinthecold on October 2, 2006, at 3:29:11
In reply to Re: anger » warmthinthecold, posted by Declan on October 1, 2006, at 22:30:14
Hi Thanks.I know marujuana makes some people really relaxed and easy going,in a real admirable way! but my friend who has the anger problem used to get moodier and angrier on marujuana?Its something to think about though because maybe it could be different now hes older?Im going to look up the other thing you mentioned now.Thankyou.
> This is the wrong board I guess, but I think cannabis works well for that, at least as far as converting anger into fear.
> If however you want your anger and irritablility to just go away, I dunno.
> Vervain is OK for agitation, so that might help.
> Skullcap is a good herbal sedative.
> It's interesting that sedatives can make anger worse.
Posted by Vale on October 2, 2006, at 10:32:59
In reply to Re: anger, posted by warmthinthecold on October 2, 2006, at 3:29:11
Try Oxytocin, it's not herbal, but a neuropeptide occuring naturaly in humans and other vertebrates. Available as Oxycalm ( nasal administered spray) or spray on body aerosol form , from Vero-labs, known as ' Liquid Trust'
I've had these issues you mentioned, and I can tell you this stuff works for me better than any medication or supplement I've tried over the years. What's even more suprising, when using the spray on aerosol version, other people around you somehow are affected by it as well.
Posted by Declan on October 2, 2006, at 16:19:36
In reply to Re: anger, posted by Vale on October 2, 2006, at 10:32:59
Is there any downside to oxytocin? How long does the effect last? Is it allright for men?
And anything else you care to mention.
Posted by nolvas on October 2, 2006, at 16:42:26
In reply to Re: anger » Vale, posted by Declan on October 2, 2006, at 16:19:36
Hi Declan, you may find this info about oxytocin interesting.
To be honest the way I'm feeling recently I could take a bath in the stuff!
I live in the UK and I imagine it's nigh impossible to get the nasal spray.
Posted by nolvas on October 2, 2006, at 18:36:27
In reply to Re: anger, posted by nolvas on October 2, 2006, at 16:42:26
I've found an oxytocin blog and also done some research about oxycalm on the net. It seems not many people respond to oxycalm or think it does much.
avant-labs forum has plenty of people saying oxycalm doesn't do anything and a few that say that it does have an effect However with regard to the oxytocin blog this guy is taking prescription oxytocin via his own homemade nasal spray and it does work for him.
http://www.chemgasm.com/oxytocin-for-panic-attacks-or-oxytocin-7
When viewing the above link, please follow the other blue links on the page for furthre oxytocin experiments he has done. Oxytocin is promising I'm just not convinced that legal forsale version called Oxycalm is anything more than snake oil at the moment.
Here's the thread regarding Oxycalm.
Anymore information would be useful as in theory this peptide substance could be very useful in treating Agoraphobia.
Posted by Jlx on October 2, 2006, at 18:54:10
In reply to Re: anger, posted by nolvas on October 2, 2006, at 16:42:26
> Hi Declan, you may find this info about oxytocin interesting.
>
> http://www.4therapy.com/professional/conditions/article/7970/73/Brain+Chemical+Boosts+Trust+and+Short-Circuits+Fear
>
> To be honest the way I'm feeling recently I could take a bath in the stuff!
>
> I live in the UK and I imagine it's nigh impossible to get the nasal spray.Oxytocin is released in both sexes through orgasm, according to Wikipedia.
Some U.S. companies that sell it:
http://www.oxycalm.com/t3/index.shtml
http://www.verolabs.com/index.php?UID=2006100218205075.11.222.163
I think it's a little creepy to think of somebody spraying "Liquid Trust" on their clothes to instill trust in prospective clients or dates.
I'm not familiar with male rage personally, but found that I became FAR less irritable when I started taking magnesium and cut down on calcium.
Taurine is supposed to be something of a neurotransmitter balancer. Some find it calming.
JL
Posted by nolvas on October 2, 2006, at 20:58:35
In reply to Re: anger » nolvas, posted by Jlx on October 2, 2006, at 18:54:10
I really think liquid trust is just a marketing scam. You need 24IU of Oxytocin to replicate the effects in the study and it has to be administered directly in to the nasal passage.
Taurine is ok but in some people it can have a stimulating effect :| Magnesium is good as well. However in my case they are very limited in the anxiolytic effects they produce.
Posted by Vale on October 3, 2006, at 14:13:21
In reply to Re: anger » Vale, posted by Declan on October 2, 2006, at 16:19:36
> Is there any downside to oxytocin? How long does the effect last? Is it allright for men?
> And anything else you care to mention.There's a downside to anything, I expect oxytocin therapies will have a few as well.( though at the moment nobody seems to know for sure, its use in human psychiatric applications seems recent.
I used the Liquid Trust version, I felt foolish even ordering the stuff, as I was convinced it was a scam. But there was a definite ( though subtle) uplift in mood, and an ease in social situations that I'd previously found difficult.
As for duration of effects, well the stuff has a short half life, but X2 daily seemed enough.
( sprayed over body)
You can read all sorts of rubbish on web forums about dosages, big doses, heroic doses, insane doses. Don't listen, try the lowest possible dose first, then up it if needed.
Posted by warmthinthecold on October 7, 2006, at 2:09:40
In reply to Re: anger, posted by Vale on October 3, 2006, at 14:13:21
Posted by Ed O`Flaherty on October 15, 2006, at 16:53:02
In reply to anger, posted by warmthinthecold on October 1, 2006, at 4:19:48
Consider the possibility of a condition called pyroluria which as a physician I see frequently although not all my colleagues agree that it exists. In fact most of them have never heard of it.I have a website at www.omega3.20megsfree and you will find details of it there.It is a diagnosis which has given me enormous satisfaction as it is usually easy to treat with nutrients.
Posted by warmthinthecold on October 16, 2006, at 3:38:51
In reply to Re: anger, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on October 15, 2006, at 16:53:02
You know iv been looking into pyroluria lately.How long would it take on treatment before significant results were seen IF someone had been suffering from this condition all along? And what doses of B6 are safe enougth and used to get results in your opinion? Thankyou so much.
> Consider the possibility of a condition called pyroluria which as a physician I see frequently although not all my colleagues agree that it exists. In fact most of them have never heard of it.I have a website at www.omega3.20megsfree and you will find details of it there.It is a diagnosis which has given me enormous satisfaction as it is usually easy to treat with nutrients.
Posted by warmthinthecold on October 16, 2006, at 3:54:07
In reply to Re: anger, posted by Ed O`Flaherty on October 15, 2006, at 16:53:02
Hi Ed, I just looked at your website so iv pretty much got the answers now as to the time it takes to see results in people who suffer this disorder. Im just utterly AMAZED at the remarkable results I have seen in vitamin/amino acid treatment of "untreatable" "schizophrenia" which no longer exists in my friend. What a big handfull of pills he takes though! niacin,thiamine,vit c,zinc,essential aminos and 5-htp (so far).
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