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Posted by JLx on October 2, 2004, at 19:13:20
apparently.
I listened this morning to a CD I just got that uses binaural beats. I was so surprised that when I was done, I had the same feelings I used to have when I would first start on an SSRI! Mild nausea, a bit manic and very mildly euphoric, some loss of appetite and even joint pain, which is something I would also get. Could this technology boost serotonin, I wondered?
In case you're wondering what binaural beats are, from the package insert:
"Binaural beats were originally discovered in 1839...when signals of two different frequencies are presented separately, one to each ear, the brain detects the phase variation between the frequencies and tries to 'reconcil' that difference. In doing so, as the two frequencies mesh in and out of phase, the brain creates its own 'phantom' signal -- a binaural beat -- equal to the differences between the two frequencies. Research has proven that introducing a binaural beat will cause the brain to begin resonating in tune with the frequency of that beat. For example, by listening to a binaural beat pulsing at a frequency of 10 Hz -- an Alpha frequency -- you can trigger your brain to resonate at that same 10 Hz frequency, automatically inducing brainwaves in the Alpha range. When both hemispheres of the brain begin to resonate to the binaural beat in synchronization, this is called 'whole brain synchronization', also sometimes referred to as 'whole brain functioning' or 'hemispheric synchronization'. Whole brain synchronization occurs when the various parts of your brain begin to work together, creating new denritic growth and causing neural pathways to fire more rapidly."
From this article: http://www.mercola.com/article/neuro_technologies2.htm
"Many researchers believe that different brain wave patterns are linked to the production in the brain of various neurochemicals associated with relaxation and stress release, increased learning and creativity, memory, and other desirable benefits. These neurochemicals include beta-endorphins, acetylcholine, vasopressin, and serotonin.
Dr. Margaret Patterson, in collaboration with biochemist Dr. Ifor Capel, at the Marie Curie Cancer Memorial Foundation Research Department, in Surrey, England, has shown that certain frequencies in the brain dramatically speed up production of a variety of neurotransmitters, different frequencies triggering different brain chemicals. For instance, a 10 Hz (alpha) brain wave pattern boosts the production and turnover rate of serotonin, a chemical messenger that increases relaxation and eases pain, while catecholamines, vital for memory and learning, respond at around 4 Hz (theta).
According to Capel, ". . . as far as we can tell, each brain center generates impulses at a specific frequency based on the predominant neurotransmitter it secretes. In other words, the brain’s internal communication system—its language, if you like—is based on frequency . . . Presumably, when we send in waves of electrical energy at, say, 10 Hz, certain cells in the lower brain stem will respond because they normally fire within that frequency range." (28)
Dr. William Bauer, one of the foremost experts in the field of electromedicine, elaborates:
What I think is happening . . . is that by sending out the proper frequency, proper waveform and proper current . . . we tend to change the configuration of the cell membrane. Cells that are at sub-optimal levels are stimulated to ‘turn on’ and produce what they’re supposed to produce, probably through DNA, which is stimulated through the cell membrane . . . You’re charging the cells through a biochemical process that can possibly balance the acetylcholine or whatever neurotransmitter needs to be turned on . . . (29)"
I had a binaural beat tape about 20 years ago that was a Hemi-sync tape. I got it from my therapist. I liked it a lot, found it very relaxing and good for insight. So I bought another Hemi-sync tape recently, for relaxation. And it is. I just have to listen to it to start breathing more deeply, and I usually fall asleep before it's done. It's not quite like the other one I used to have though, so I thought I'd try this "Awakened Minds" version as recommended by Dr. Mercola http://www.mercola.com/forms/insight_focus.htm -- mostly because it has a 90 day money-back, no questions asked guarantee.
I'm intrigued by the possibility that it can actually boost neurotransmitters, and also if it can encourage your brain to work more "wholly", since depressives are known to have a problem with that.
Anyone else tried anything like this? (The last time I asked here, I got no takers, though Amie Sans Vie apparently had experimented with making his own.)
JL
Posted by tealady on October 2, 2004, at 19:47:06
In reply to Brainwave training boosts neurotransmitters...., posted by JLx on October 2, 2004, at 19:13:20
someone ..maybe Ame Sans vie? put up a recording of 2 "notes" alternating on this forum I had a listen to a few times.(as it got into my playlist!)....as I don't have a great sound system and no headphones as yet..I didn't really get the effect..but it sounds like a similar idea.
I've heard exercise to music is supposed to deleveop brain cells or memory or something too...probably all along the same lines. Music is fairly powerful stuff.
Jan
Posted by linkadge on October 2, 2004, at 22:02:20
In reply to Re: Brainwave training boosts neurotransmitters.... » JLx, posted by tealady on October 2, 2004, at 19:47:06
I have done extensive (self research) with sound an mood. I am a pianst, but use a sound wave generator to see if I can induce different mood states.
I have tried many things, white noise, specific tones, panning tones etc.
I have never tried different tones in different ears though, and am interested in which frequencies you are using !!
Linkadge
Posted by JLx on October 3, 2004, at 7:33:55
In reply to Re: Brainwave training boosts neurotransmitters.... » JLx, posted by tealady on October 2, 2004, at 19:47:06
> someone ..maybe Ame Sans vie? put up a recording of 2 "notes" alternating on this forum I had a listen to a few times.(as it got into my playlist!)....as I don't have a great sound system and no headphones as yet..I didn't really get the effect..but it sounds like a similar idea.
Yes, you definitely need the headphones.
> I've heard exercise to music is supposed to deleveop brain cells or memory or something too...probably all along the same lines. Music is fairly powerful stuff.
I usually listen to books on tape when I walk. Otherwise I just think too much. (But yes, I've heard that certain kinds of music can have good effect.)
Speaking of thinking too much, I've been reading "Feeling Good" by David Burns, after someone recommended it on one of these boards. I can't remember now who it was, but I'm finding it very helpful! I had no idea that most of my usual modes of thinking were actually the distorted thinking of depression. I think I knew it before, but it crept up on me, especially the self-esteem issues since I've been jobless and penniless.
My job interview, btw, was cancelled, I have to reschedule. But I found out that the guy who's interviewing me is going to be leaving in a couple weeks, so I'm going to apply for his job too as I'm qualified for that too. Either way, I'm hoping I may have a golden opportunity here. So, I'm so glad I've been reading this book and straightening out my negative thinking so I'm not defeated before I start. :)
JL
Posted by JLx on October 3, 2004, at 7:55:57
In reply to Re: Brainwave training boosts neurotransmitters...., posted by linkadge on October 2, 2004, at 22:02:20
> I have tried many things, white noise, specific tones, panning tones etc.
>
> I have never tried different tones in different ears though, and am interested in which frequencies you are using !!I have a commercial tape and also CD's. The tape I have is Hemi-sync from The Monroe Institute. http://www.monroeinstitute.org/ They're the pioneers in this technology, I believe, and have many to chose from for various purposes. The most recent CD I'm trying is from Awakened Minds. http://www.awakenedminds.com/
I don't know exactly what frequencies they are using as this is proprietory info, I presume.
There's some general info on these links.
http://www.consciousdreaming.com/lucid-dreaming/brainwave-entrainment-info.htm
http://www.rainfall.com/cdroms/brainwave.htm
JL
Posted by tealady on October 4, 2004, at 3:04:36
In reply to Re: Brainwave training boosts neurotransmitters.... » tealady, posted by JLx on October 3, 2004, at 7:33:55
> I usually listen to books on tape when I walk. Otherwise I just think too much. (But yes, I've heard that certain kinds of music can have good effect.)maybe I think too much <g>
>
> Speaking of thinking too much, I've been reading "Feeling Good" by David Burns, after someone recommended it on one of these boards. I can't remember now who it was, but I'm finding it very helpful! I had no idea that most of my usual modes of thinking were actually the distorted thinking of depression. I think I knew it before, but it crept up on me, especially the self-esteem issues since I've been jobless and penniless.
>Yes I'm sure my perception and thinking are distorted too. I never really know if it's just my perception or if it really is what I think, sigh. ..does that sound like I lack confidence?
I'll see if I can get that book from the library..doubtful though as they never have any others, but maybe the uni library might. There are so many US books I haven't been able to get over here. I've imported a couple but it gets too exxy to keep doing that.> My job interview, btw, was cancelled, I have to reschedule. But I found out that the guy who's interviewing me is going to be leaving in a couple weeks, so I'm going to apply for his job too as I'm qualified for that too. Either way, I'm hoping I may have a golden opportunity here. So, I'm so glad I've been reading this book and straightening out my negative thinking so I'm not defeated before I start. :)
That sounds terrific! I once blew a job away(as a youngster) by only applying for the lowest one..and I was told I could have walked in (later) the highest one (only I hadn't applied!..derr)..govt statistics/computer type job and they wouldn't let me do a late application!
So if you apply for both your going to more than double your chance!
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> JL
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Posted by gromit on October 4, 2004, at 3:37:19
In reply to Re: Brainwave training boosts neurotransmitters...., posted by JLx on October 3, 2004, at 7:55:57
> I have a commercial tape and also CD's. The tape I have is Hemi-sync from The Monroe Institute. http://www.monroeinstitute.org/ They're the pioneers in this technology, I believe, and have many to chose from for various purposes. The most recent CD I'm trying is from Awakened Minds. http://www.awakenedminds.com/Do you find this to be effective? Which program is better in your opinion?
> I don't know exactly what frequencies they are using as this is proprietory info, I presume.Well the ranges for the different brainwaves are available and contained in the links you provided. I'll bet or at least I hope that there is more to these things than something I could produce myself.
Posted by verne on October 4, 2004, at 21:13:43
In reply to Brainwave training boosts neurotransmitters...., posted by JLx on October 2, 2004, at 19:13:20
I just ordered the alpha relaxation, theta meditation, and delta sleep CD series by Jeffrey Thompson. I hope it's for real. They got good reviews at amazon. Some compared these favorably to the other systems. I passed on his Brainwave Suite (a kind of sampler of everything) because the reviews weren't as good.
Anyone have an opinion on the Thompson CD's? I'm hoping to get back into tm (transcendental meditation) and some "Chakra Therapy".
verne
Posted by JLx on October 4, 2004, at 22:16:42
In reply to Re: Brainwave training boosts neurotransmitters...., posted by verne on October 4, 2004, at 21:13:43
> Anyone have an opinion on the Thompson CD's? I'm hoping to get back into tm (transcendental meditation) and some "Chakra Therapy".I never heard of him. Be sure you let us know how they feel.
I used the "Focus" CD in my Awakened Minds set today and am pretty disappointed. At first it made me feel a little stimulated (like caffeine) but that only lasted about 10 minutes. Then I started feeling kind of sick to my stomach and my head felt weird too. It was like motion sickness! I'm very prone to that but I can't figure out why this technology would cause that. I don't know if it helped me concentrate better or not either because I was distracted by feeling so crappy.
JL
Posted by verne on October 4, 2004, at 22:47:59
In reply to Re: Brainwave training boosts neurotransmitters.... » verne, posted by JLx on October 4, 2004, at 22:16:42
Is it essential to listen to these CD's with headphones? Isn't that the only way to get the "binaural" effect?
I'll be sure to report back on the Thompson CD's.
verne
Posted by JLx on October 5, 2004, at 21:48:49
In reply to Re: Brainwave training boosts neurotransmitters.... » JLx, posted by tealady on October 4, 2004, at 3:04:36
> Yes I'm sure my perception and thinking are distorted too. I never really know if it's just my perception or if it really is what I think, sigh. ..does that sound like I lack confidence?
Well, the more I am aware of my thinking and it matches what Dr. Burns says is "distorted thinking", the more I think, hmmm....I may be pretty out of touch with reality here sometimes, particularly when it comes to other people. I tend to be too negative and a bit paranoid, for instance.
> I'll see if I can get that book from the library..doubtful though as they never have any others, but maybe the uni library might. There are so many US books I haven't been able to get over here. I've imported a couple but it gets too exxy to keep doing that.
How's the shipping cost from Amazon? I usually buy used books on there lately, but I don't suppose some of those independent vendors will ship overseas.
> > My job interview, btw, was cancelled, I have to reschedule. But I found out that the guy who's interviewing me is going to be leaving in a couple weeks, so I'm going to apply for his job too as I'm qualified for that too. Either way, I'm hoping I may have a golden opportunity here. So, I'm so glad I've been reading this book and straightening out my negative thinking so I'm not defeated before I start. :)
>
> That sounds terrific! I once blew a job away(as a youngster) by only applying for the lowest one..and I was told I could have walked in (later) the highest one (only I hadn't applied!..derr)..govt statistics/computer type job and they wouldn't let me do a late application!I had my interview today for the transcriptionist position.
It is kind of strange applying for two jobs at once, and being interviewed for one by the person who is leaving the other. I think it went ok. I didn't feel "bad vibes" anyway. I'll be interviewed by the hospital's chief financial officer for the other. The difference in pay is almost doubled for the department director position. I almost can't bear the excitement of the possibility of making that much money again! Only now I would appreciate it more about a hundredfold. For that matter I will be thrilled with the transcriptionist job too, as it would be enough to pay my bills.
I think I may quit listening to these brainwave CDs, at least until I hear about these jobs because I think they are increasing my anxiety.
JL
Posted by tealady on October 6, 2004, at 17:24:20
In reply to Re: Brainwave training boosts neurotransmitters.... » tealady, posted by JLx on October 5, 2004, at 21:48:49
> Speaking of thinking too much, I've been reading "Feeling Good" by David Burns, after someone recommended it on one of these boards. I can't remember now who it was, but I'm finding it very helpful! I had no idea that most of my usual modes of thinking were actually the distorted thinking of depression. I think I knew it before, but it crept up on me, especially the self-esteem issues since I've been jobless and penniless.
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>
nope..can't get that book from the library..or Uni library drats..sitting at the computer there now. Maybe I'll look at Amazon, but usually shipping costs are the killer.
Went and got depressed after an endo visit yesterday...no comment about Oz endos! Just felt like giving up..better today. Yesterday also I got really cold(it was nice weather, like amaybe 25C, sunny etc) and started shaking, circulation in hands etc too low..went blue and freezing. Maybe I've let my blood pressure drop too low?. I think I'll need a bloodpressure monitor..just to see if when I get like this, if it has dropped(and the depression is linked in too..probably low oxygen to the brain I suspect).
I can make my blood pressure go from say 90/60 to 128/88 just by adding or lowering salt...wonder if I should be able to change it that much.
Feeling better now anyway..tried some tyrosine this morning..and bought some liquid iron last night..so hope they help. Tyrosine usually raises my blood pressureby 15 pts or so for 500mg.
I know..I'm strange. and I can never work out how much is caused by psychological things..like the bad endo appointment brings on the physical symptoms as well as the depression?..or it is it all just the physical symptoms lowering the brain oxygen availability and that causing the depression...
Cu later..gotta go now(sitting in on a lecture on female reproduction/hormones etc)
Wouldn't it be good if you get both job offers...do you think they would do that?
Jan
Posted by JLx on October 7, 2004, at 10:28:12
In reply to Re: Brainwave training boosts neurotransmitters.... » JLx, posted by tealady on October 6, 2004, at 17:24:20
Hi Jan,
> nope..can't get that book from the library..or Uni library drats..sitting at the computer there now. Maybe I'll look at Amazon, but usually shipping costs are the killer.
It's too bad you can't get "Feeling Good" there. I've been kind of resistant to the cognitive therapy idea because I thought either I knew it already (hehe) or that it was a "blame the victim" idea, but I was wrong on both counts. Here's what he calls "cognitive distortions":
ALL OR NOTHING THINKING: You see things in black-and-white categories. If your performance falls short of perfect, you see yourself as a total failure.
OVERGENERALIZATION: You see a single negataive event as a never-ending pattern of defeat.
MENTAL FILTER: You pick out a single negative detail and dwell on it exclusively so that your vision of all reality becomes darkened, like the drop of ink that colors the entire beaker of water.
DISQUALIFYING THE POSITIVE: You reject positive experiences by insisting they "don't count" for some reason or another. In this way, you can maintain a negative belief that is contradicted by your everyday experiences.
JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS: You make a negative interpretation even though there are no definitive facts that convincingly support your conclusions.
*Mind reading -- You arbitrarily conclude that someone is reacting negatively to you, and you don't bother to check this out.
*The Fortune Teller Error -- You anticipate that things will turn out badly and you feel convinced that your prediction is an already established fact.
MAGNIFICATION (CATASTROPHIZING) OR MINIMIZATION: You exaggerate the importance of things (such as your goof-up or someone else's achievement) or you inappropriately shrink things until they appear tiny (your own desirable qualities or the other fellow's imperfections).
EMOTIONAL REASONING: You assume that your negative emotions necessarily reflect the things really are: "I feel it, therefore it must be true."
SHOULD STATEMENTS: You try to motivate yourself with shoulds and shouldn'ts as if you had to be whipped and punished before you could be expected to do anything. "Musts" and "oughts" are also offenders. The emotional consequence is guilt. When you direct should statements towards others, you feel anger, frustration and resentment.
LABELING AND MISLABELING: This is an extreme form of overgeneralization. Instead of describing your error, you attach a negative label to yourself: "I'm a loser." When someone else's behavior rubs you the wrong way, you attach a negative label to him: "He's a louse" Mislabeling involves describing an event with language that is highly colored and emotionally loaded.
PERSONALIZATION: You see yourself as the cause of some negative external event which in fact you were not primarily responsible for.
That's kind of the foundation of the book, I think (I'm not done reading yet): exploring those distortions and what to do about them. I wrote these out to give you an idea if you wanted to buy it and also because I need to hear them as they are my habitual mode of thinking! I really had no idea that my thinking was so counterproductive. All I've been doing so far is simply notice, which seems to help in itself, but he also has many exercises such as learning to "talk back" to that negativity.
> Went and got depressed after an endo visit yesterday...no comment about Oz endos! Just felt like giving up..better today.
Glad you're better, sorry to hear that you had a frustrating time. Doctors can be the worst pain when they can't figure out what's wrong and/or won't listen. DON'T give up, please.
>Maybe I've let my blood pressure drop too low?. I think I'll need a bloodpressure monitor..just to see if when I get like this, if it has dropped(and the depression is linked in too..probably low oxygen to the brain I suspect).
> I can make my blood pressure go from say 90/60 to 128/88 just by adding or lowering salt...wonder if I should be able to change it that much.Have you ever been to a naturopath? Someone really good, I mean. Changing your blood pressure just by adding or lowering salt seems like an exaggerated reaction that might mean something significant.
> I know..I'm strange. and I can never work out how much is caused by psychological things..like the bad endo appointment brings on the physical symptoms as well as the depression?
Both probably, which is why it's so frustrating.
> Wouldn't it be good if you get both job offers...do you think they would do that?
No, I think they'd only hire me as a transcriber if they weren't going to hire me as the director. Or maybe they'd hire me as a transcriber and leave the director position open for a while. That would save them money and they'd have a chance to check me out for a while.
I just got a note from the guy who interviewed me saying he will be talking to the CFO later today. I also have to fill out an application so they can check my references. I hope they don't also check my credit history as it's terrible nowadays.
I'm still using my brainwave CD after all, at least the relaxing one. I decided to give it a good trial before I send it back. I suspect it may be acetylcholine that it is boosting that feels uncomfortable to me as I noticed I don't like the effects of lecithin either.
Do you know about Babblemail? I just twigged to it after all these months. ;)
JL
Posted by tealady on October 8, 2004, at 18:45:28
In reply to Re: Brainwave training boosts neurotransmitters.... » tealady, posted by JLx on October 7, 2004, at 10:28:12
> It's too bad you can't get "Feeling Good" there. I've been kind of resistant to the cognitive therapy idea because I thought either I knew it already (hehe) or that it was a "blame the victim" idea, but I was wrong on both counts. Here's what he calls "cognitive distortions":
I think it's usually "blame the parents..and not the genetics either"..seems to have been in that cycle for the past 20 years or so...the cycles vary thru history but this book does seem good .Thanks for the descriptions. Saw it on Amazon..postage is still pretty high.
>
> ALL OR NOTHING THINKING: You see things in black-and-white categories. If your performance falls short of perfect, you see yourself as a total failure.
>
> OVERGENERALIZATION: You see a single negataive event as a never-ending pattern of defeat.
>
> MENTAL FILTER: You pick out a single negative detail and dwell on it exclusively so that your vision of all reality becomes darkened, like the drop of ink that colors the entire beaker of water.
>
> DISQUALIFYING THE POSITIVE: You reject positive experiences by insisting they "don't count" for some reason or another. In this way, you can maintain a negative belief that is contradicted by your everyday experiences.
>
> JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS: You make a negative interpretation even though there are no definitive facts that convincingly support your conclusions.
>
> *Mind reading -- You arbitrarily conclude that someone is reacting negatively to you, and you don't bother to check this out.
>
> *The Fortune Teller Error -- You anticipate that things will turn out badly and you feel convinced that your prediction is an already established fact.
>
> MAGNIFICATION (CATASTROPHIZING) OR MINIMIZATION: You exaggerate the importance of things (such as your goof-up or someone else's achievement) or you inappropriately shrink things until they appear tiny (your own desirable qualities or the other fellow's imperfections).
>
> EMOTIONAL REASONING: You assume that your negative emotions necessarily reflect the things really are: "I feel it, therefore it must be true."
>
> SHOULD STATEMENTS: You try to motivate yourself with shoulds and shouldn'ts as if you had to be whipped and punished before you could be expected to do anything. "Musts" and "oughts" are also offenders. The emotional consequence is guilt. When you direct should statements towards others, you feel anger, frustration and resentment.
>
> LABELING AND MISLABELING: This is an extreme form of overgeneralization. Instead of describing your error, you attach a negative label to yourself: "I'm a loser." When someone else's behavior rubs you the wrong way, you attach a negative label to him: "He's a louse" Mislabeling involves describing an event with language that is highly colored and emotionally loaded.
>
> PERSONALIZATION: You see yourself as the cause of some negative external event which in fact you were not primarily responsible for.
>
> That's kind of the foundation of the book, I think (I'm not done reading yet): exploring those distortions and what to do about them. I wrote these out to give you an idea if you wanted to buy it and also because I need to hear them as they are my habitual mode of thinking! I really had no idea that my thinking was so counterproductive. All I've been doing so far is simply notice, which seems to help in itself, but he also has many exercises such as learning to "talk back" to that negativity.
>
> > Went and got depressed after an endo visit yesterday...no comment about Oz endos! Just felt like giving up..better today.
>
> Glad you're better, sorry to hear that you had a frustrating time. Doctors can be the worst pain when they can't figure out what's wrong and/or won't listen. DON'T give up, please.
>
>>
> Have you ever been to a naturopath? Someone really good, I mean. Changing your blood pressure just by adding or lowering salt seems like an exaggerated reaction that might mean something significant.Naturopaths over here aren't qualified doctors..and I tend to disagree with a lot of stuff they are taught..that said, I'm sure there are good ones around. They can't prescribe meds either or tests..the really bad thing compared to the US is, we can't order and pay for our own blood tests..like with HealthcheckUSA you can over there if you can't get a doc to test you. A lot of folk on the thyroid forum use them for checking on their levels..it's similar to being a diabetic and checking on your blood sugar levels...no reason that I can see for not allowing one to check on their blood levels of various things...gee , it's our blood!
Well you do get patients then going to docs with the blood levels and saying..look I'm out of range for this?,..and some docs don't like that..., but a lot of folks get treatment that way . I would like to be able to get a couple of blood tests run, as if they showed something , I could then get treatment and might even be cured..gee I guess that would cut business?..sorry feeling sarcastic.
I can't send my blood to the states either..with having to centrifuge it and quarantine etc.I just get sick of.."you don't look it" type answers!
Rant off..>
> > I know..I'm strange. and I can never work out how much is caused by psychological things..like the bad endo appointment brings on the physical symptoms as well as the depression?
>
> Both probably, which is why it's so frustrating.
>
> > Wouldn't it be good if you get both job offers...do you think they would do that?
>
> No, I think they'd only hire me as a transcriber if they weren't going to hire me as the director. Or maybe they'd hire me as a transcriber and leave the director position open for a while. That would save them money and they'd have a chance to check me out for a while.That makes sense..
>
> I just got a note from the guy who interviewed me saying he will be talking to the CFO later today. I also have to fill out an application so they can check my references. I hope they don't also check my credit history as it's terrible nowadays.sounds a bit exciting..fingers crossed
>
> I'm still using my brainwave CD after all, at least the relaxing one. I decided to give it a good trial before I send it back. I suspect it may be acetylcholine that it is boosting that feels uncomfortable to me as I noticed I don't like the effects of lecithin either.Lecithin is still on my "to try" list..I keep forgetting to buy it!. I bought ground linseed instead last time, sigh (brian wasn't working).
Acetylcholine is something I have to look into more..it's related to thyroid hormones .. I think thyroid hormones act on acetylcholinerase somehow. I put a study about it on here last year..but couldn't figure out what it was about then. Will have to look at again.
I suspect that cholinergic drugs and this are related ..as an effect I had when I went on thyroid hormones was similar to one the bladder nurse told me a couple of weeks ago that people get from cholinergic drugs.....and there is the choline in both there..
I'm pretty confused about all of this. Lots to learn I guess.
>
> Do you know about Babblemail? I just twigged to it after all these months. ;)I've heard it mentioned here..but so far haven't looked around to see how it works. I noticed the old ability for folks to contact me via email has gone..guess with the intro of the babblemail.
If you get the job keep in touch. <g>
>
>
Posted by JLx on October 14, 2004, at 10:38:32
In reply to Re: Brainwave training boosts neurotransmitters.... » JLx, posted by verne on October 4, 2004, at 22:47:59
Posted by verne on October 14, 2004, at 12:48:28
In reply to Have you tried your brainwave CDs yet? (nm) » verne, posted by JLx on October 14, 2004, at 10:38:32
A friend borrowed them. (the danger of showing off new amazon purchases before you even unwrap them) I'll get them back soon and let you know. I'll ask him too.
verne
Posted by JLx on October 17, 2004, at 14:18:19
In reply to Re: Have you tried your brainwave CDs yet? » JLx, posted by verne on October 14, 2004, at 12:48:28
Very generous of you to let someone borrow them before trying them yourself! :)
I am beginning to like my one CD. I either try to clear my mind while I listen or I say affirmations and think positive thoughts. Or more usually, I just seem to rattle along thinking about things normally. Either way, it seems like I have a better day when I've listened first thing in the morning.
JL
> A friend borrowed them. (the danger of showing off new amazon purchases before you even unwrap them) I'll get them back soon and let you know. I'll ask him too.
>
> verne
Posted by verne on October 18, 2004, at 16:47:13
In reply to Re: Have you tried your brainwave CDs yet? » verne, posted by JLx on October 17, 2004, at 14:18:19
My friend and I have both tried most of the CD's and we aren't impressed. I didn't feel anything. Lots of ocean and bird sounds with whale music thrown in. Very flutey - whales on jazz.
I haven't tried the sleep (delta) CD yet and still hoping it, at least, works.
verne
Posted by verne on October 19, 2004, at 15:59:53
In reply to Re: Have you tried your brainwave CDs yet? » JLx, posted by verne on October 18, 2004, at 16:47:13
My above criticism concerned mostly the alpha CD's. The thetha set sounds more promising - deeper, calmer, and without the distracting nature sounds.
I'll try the delta "sleep" CD tonight.
verne
Posted by JLx on October 19, 2004, at 18:25:18
In reply to Re: Have you tried your brainwave CDs yet?, posted by verne on October 19, 2004, at 15:59:53
> My above criticism concerned mostly the alpha CD's. The thetha set sounds more promising - deeper, calmer, and without the distracting nature sounds.
>
> I'll try the delta "sleep" CD tonight.
>
> verneThat's too bad that your jazzy whales aren't having a better effect! What did you anticipate, btw? And what brain waves were those? Can you get your money back if you don't like them? One reason why I ordered from Awakened Minds was the 90 day money back guarantee.
I've been venturing further into my Insight tape, which is supposed to be theta and delta. It's in three parts and I'm not sure what the difference is but you're supposed to listen to only the first part for 7-10 days and then do the next two, and always listen to part I before part II and III. I don't know why but it sounds like serious business, doesn't it? ;)
I am finding the second and third parts more interesting than just the one. I like the idea that I don't have to try to do something while I listen, as I've been frustrated many a time trying to meditate.
JL
Posted by verne on October 19, 2004, at 18:41:25
In reply to Re: Have you tried your brainwave CDs yet? » verne, posted by JLx on October 19, 2004, at 18:25:18
I expected something less intrusive. I can't "not" listen to birds, whales, and a flute. (I just realized I don't like the flute)
The thetha CD's are closer to what I expected. Enya without lyrics - medieval, primordial, quest for fire.
I don't like sending stuff back to amazon. I got it on sale with free shipping and I'm just too unassertive (borderline) to return things. (although if it didn't work at all, that's another story)
I've casually listened to the thetha (meditation) CD's and, if and when I ever meditate, I'll use them then. I'm hopeful it will help me settle down and get the brain firing on my two remaining synapses.
verne
Posted by JLx on October 19, 2004, at 19:19:01
In reply to Re: Have you tried your brainwave CDs yet? » JLx, posted by verne on October 19, 2004, at 18:41:25
> I expected something less intrusive. I can't "not" listen to birds, whales, and a flute. (I just realized I don't like the flute)
I can relate -- too high pitched.
> The thetha CD's are closer to what I expected. Enya without lyrics - medieval, primordial, quest for fire.
Hmm..that sounds pretty good. The first Hemi-sync tape I had about 20 years ago had sounds but not quite music. More like tones without a melody so they didn't stick in your head. I really liked that one. I was disappointed in my current Hemi-sync because it sounds like you're in a wind tunnel, just kind of like a low roar.
The AM CDs have that same sound but overlaid with the sound of rain, which I like ok.
> I don't like sending stuff back to amazon. I got it on sale with free shipping and I'm just too unassertive (borderline) to return things. (although if it didn't work at all, that's another story)
Oh, I forgot you got it from Amazon. They shouldn't have the bear the burden, the guy whose work it is should get the feedback.
> I've casually listened to the thetha (meditation) CD's and, if and when I ever meditate, I'll use them then. I'm hopeful it will help me settle down and get the brain firing on my two remaining synapses.
>
> verneMy Awakened Mind CDs are supposed to encourage brain synchronization and neural stimulation and growth. I've read that in depression the two sides of the brain don't communicate well, which is one reason why I'm interested in this technology. Also I am a very left brain person and wouldn't mind more of a balance if indeed it does do this. If I start painting like Picasso, I'll be sure to let you know. :)
JL
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