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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 7:27:43
In reply to Re: Lou's response- » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 7:24:18
> Fine response to someone who's trying to stick up for you.
That is not clear to me in what you wrote here.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 7:40:29
In reply to Lou's response-veygg » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 7:27:43
Nevertheless it is true. I stated that you were indeed a child of God, and that as such you are worthy of caring and respect.
People can be angry at your actions without hating you, Lou. I'm angry that what I intended as support was met as an attack. But I still support you as a person, and as a child of God.
It's sometimes hard to separate that out isn't it? Despite the fact that it's something I was always taught, it did take some time in therapy to truly accept that it was ok for someone to be angry with me, and that it didn't mean they hated me.
Posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 7:41:37
In reply to Lou's response-veygg » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 7:27:43
Did you get any sleep, Lou? I'm worried about you.
Posted by sukarno on October 30, 2012, at 8:52:42
In reply to Lou's response-psuhpoartivofwhat? » Phil, posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 5:59:42
Lou said:
"I have not wrecked this place and I do not post religious hatred or unfounded accusations."
That reminds me of Nixon's "I'm not a crook" speech.
Dr. Bob said he can't make the Prince of Death go away but yet he still sanctioned others during that period for lesser infractions of the rules.
I think it's because the Prince of Death is not guilty by reason of insanity. He simply cannot be punished because he's not accountable for his actions.If that's the way it's going to be, I think I'll leave this bulletin board forever.
Dr. Bob may be very busy as he is in private practice or there could be something else going on such as a family emergency, etc. I wish he had delegated authority to someone else to block and/or ban people but that can't always be done.
Some have posted that Dr. Bob and Lou may be the same person but I find that very difficult to believe. It would be sick if it was true. That would be a gory experiment and injurious to the mental health of the userbase.
Thus far, the Prince of Death has caused me to seriously consider using SSRIs despite having not taken one since 1995. I'm considering Zoloft or Valdoxan at the moment. I see my pdoc in a few days and will ask him about it.
I expected when I returned to see the usual Psycho-Babble Medication forum as I was only gone for less than a year. I didn't think it would have deteriorated to the point it has now.
Posted by sukarno on October 30, 2012, at 8:54:18
In reply to Re: Prince of Death and Dr. Bob's absence, posted by sukarno on October 30, 2012, at 8:52:42
Would any folks here like to sign up with Paltalk?
I'm already on Paltalk and it has voice. People must "raise their hands" in order to get permission to use the mic and it is moderated.I could create a Psycho-Babble forum if anyone is interested. Heck, even Lou can join and post or grab the mic as long as he remains civil and waits his turn. I think he might remain more civil there knowing that Dr. Bob has no connection with Paltalk and thus there's no alleged conspiracy against him by Dr. Bob and that there are rules that _will_ be swiftly enforced across the board.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 30, 2012, at 9:22:36
In reply to Re: Lou's response-veygg » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 7:40:29
I read it as supportive.
Posted by phillipa on October 30, 2012, at 20:06:17
In reply to Re: Lou's response-veygg » Dinah, posted by gardenergirl on October 30, 2012, at 9:22:36
Me also Phillipa
Posted by Willful on October 30, 2012, at 21:33:34
In reply to Re: Lou's response-veygg » gardenergirl, posted by phillipa on October 30, 2012, at 20:06:17
I am totally taken aback at the turn this place has recently and, it seems, rather suddenly taken.
This is so unacceptable,.
How can this board continue, when this is what happens to people who come looking for help? If we have nothing but this to offer them, and no way for veteran posters to protect newcomers, then we need to rethink what we're doing here-- and if there is any rational way of doing better by others. It is as if we are sacrificing people who actually can use some help, to protect-- what?-- the ego? -- I don't even know what we're protecting-- and wish someone would explain it to me-- of someone who is completely closed to any sort of questioning-- and certainly has no interest in being helped, or in considering that he may be hurting others.
I'm not speaking out of dislike or hatred of Lou, but I find it terrible that this spewing of hatred by him continues- toward anyone who challenges him at all.- Is he somehow so troubled that he needs to be sheltered from taking any responsibility for what he's doing-? why is Lou such a favorite of Bob's anyway? (And no, I don't think for a second that Bob is Lou.)Maybe my judgment about Bob is totally idealized. I've never been a huge admirer, but I had respect for his desire to make this a helpful place. Now I have to really say I am beyond disappointed about this. If Bob can come here, and be aware of this happening and take no action, I have to wonder who he really is.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 22:36:39
In reply to Re: what is going on here?, posted by Willful on October 30, 2012, at 21:33:34
> I am totally taken aback at the turn this place has recently and, it seems, rather suddenly taken.
>
> This is so unacceptable,.
>
> How can this board continue, when this is what happens to people who come looking for help? If we have nothing but this to offer them, and no way for veteran posters to protect newcomers, then we need to rethink what we're doing here-- and if there is any rational way of doing better by others. It is as if we are sacrificing people who actually can use some help, to protect-- what?-- the ego? -- I don't even know what we're protecting-- and wish someone would explain it to me-- of someone who is completely closed to any sort of questioning-- and certainly has no interest in being helped, or in considering that he may be hurting others.
>
>
> I'm not speaking out of dislike or hatred of Lou, but I find it terrible that this spewing of hatred by him continues- toward anyone who challenges him at all.- Is he somehow so troubled that he needs to be sheltered from taking any responsibility for what he's doing-? why is Lou such a favorite of Bob's anyway? (And no, I don't think for a second that Bob is Lou.)
>
> Maybe my judgment about Bob is totally idealized. I've never been a huge admirer, but I had respect for his desire to make this a helpful place. Now I have to really say I am beyond disappointed about this. If Bob can come here, and be aware of this happening and take no action, I have to wonder who he really is.W,
You wrote,[...this spewing of hatred by him...].
Please do not post lies about me here or leave undefined accusations about me here. What you have posted could arouse ill-will toward me and stigmatize me. Your "Dr Bob" allows you and others now to heap defamtion upon me and post lies that are damaging to me. The fact that Mr Hsiung is allowing it does not ligitamize the hate that is seen in the lie. I have not spewed out hatred to anyone, on the contrary, there are numerous members here that are doing just that to me that their posts are plainly visible here.And if you are making a call to the community to defame me by using me as a scapegoat for any issues here, note my sincere objection to that. Your whole post here is an arousing by using me as the subject person. It is a lie that I am completly closed to questioning. It is a lie that I am hurting others, for I come here to offer support and education for those that want to overcome depression and addiction. That is not hurting anyone in any commnity, except maybe those that want others to continue in depression and addiction to mind-altering drugs. I have stated over and over here that there are two ways that I know to overcome addiction and depression. One by human acheivement and the other by divine accomplishment. Those that want to take the road of human achievement with drugs and acupunctur and therapy or snake oil do not have to respond to me here. This forum is for different points of view, that is a reason for the moderator to allow my point of view as well as those that want to promote mind-altering drugs here. If you look at the new person thread and see the hatred that was posted to me there, how could you accuse me of {spewing hatred}? Not only is it a lie, it is a reckless disregard for the truth and the lie harms me more than Mr Hsiung allowing it to be posted here by you. You seek to arouse the members here to collaborate with you? I would like to see who joins you.
Lou
Posted by Twinleaf on October 31, 2012, at 13:15:38
In reply to Re: what is going on here?, posted by Willful on October 30, 2012, at 21:33:34
I agree completely. There have been several sincere, respectful, strong requests for Bob to support and help our efforts to prevent posters, both new and old, from being traumatized by Lou's posts. I feel very disillusioned by the fact that Bob will ignore something this important, and yet appear briefly to block posters who are much less harmful. I am starting to think that much-needed caring and good executive judgement may simply not be there (as I had always believed).
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 31, 2012, at 16:51:44
In reply to Re: what is going on here?, posted by Twinleaf on October 31, 2012, at 13:15:38
> I agree completely. There have been several sincere, respectful, strong requests for Bob to support and help our efforts to prevent posters, both new and old, from being traumatized by Lou's posts. I feel very disillusioned by the fact that Bob will ignore something this important, and yet appear briefly to block posters who are much less harmful. I am starting to think that much-needed caring and good executive judgement may simply not be there (as I had always believed).
T_l
You wrote,[...I completly agree...] in your reply to the previous poster.
Now the poster accused me falsly of,[...this spewing of hatred by him (Lou)...]. That is a lie and you are agreeing with that poster, repeating the accusation.
What you are doing is allowed by Mr Hsiung here that is an intentioanl false communication by you about me. It harms me emotionally and psychologically as well as decreases the respect or confidence and regard in which I am held. It induces disparaging, hostile opinions and feelings against me. This is allowed by you to post here in a mental health community, and you want Mr Hsiung to not ignore what I post?
The forum is for support and education and different points of view are welcome. The point of view that I have comes from a Jewish perspective that I am prevented from posting what I need to, by Mr Hsiung's prohibitions to me here, in order for my point of view to be understood. I am also prohibited to teach here the history of many psychotropic mind-altering drugs by the prohibition from Mr Hsiung concerning historical fact from a particular historical period. Yet today, you have no prohibition to post here what is a call to suppress what I could say for some time period by comparing that Mr Hsiung blocked someone from posting and say that Mr Hsiung is ignoring {something this important}. It is important that I not have my speech suppressed. This is because what I could say here could save lives and prevent people from getting a life-ruining condition or become addicted or die from the drugs being promoted here. Look at the people's lives here and it is plainly visible the suffering and the theats of suicide and the depressions that are posted here. Yet today, people here tell them to take a chemical that could cause depression and increase their thinking about killing themselves. And you want what I have to say suppressed? There were 42,000 people killed by drugs given to them last year alone by a psychiarist/doctor/other prescriber. Those drugs were given legally that could addict the person or kill them. There are parents here that are trying to make a decision as to drug their child or not. I want them to know the whole truth, not a suppressed truth that could lead to the deaths of children.
I have a great knowledge of mathematics and statisics that show that many will die here form the drugs, statisically that is. And I intend to educate whoever wants to hear, and those that do not option of , as Scott here says, to not read what I post here. Please do not post anything here again that could attempt to arouse ill-will toward me, harm my reputation, decrease my respect, reagrd or confidence in which I am held or induce hostility toward me or disagreeable opinions or feelings against me, even if Mr Hsiung allows it. For just because he allows it, that does not make the lie a truth. I am not posting hatred toward anyone, the hatred is being posted toward me.
Lou
Posted by phillipa on October 31, 2012, at 18:58:10
In reply to Re: what is going on here?, posted by Willful on October 30, 2012, at 21:33:34
Scientologist? Phillipa
Posted by Phil on November 1, 2012, at 15:02:01
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's response-psashizm » Phil, posted by Dinah on October 29, 2012, at 22:54:52
Yes I'm here, darn it. I'm doing OK till something sets me off and then I have to watch my temper. I do fail and I'm sorry for that. I don't mean to be a pompous *ss or hurt anyone.
But again, this poster single handily made a lot of my friends leave here. And it's only gotten worse.
I grew up around alcoholism and everyone's gently urging them to get help but it never works. Pretty soon the conversation turns to listen goddamnit you're killing yourself. My mother was committed.
Many people want him well so he fights back twice as hard. I get it, he sees nothing wrong.
I hope people can focus less on my anger and more to my intent.
But for now, I don't care because it's futile to care. I just become another angry poster.
Long live Lou.
Posted by Phil on November 2, 2012, at 12:33:25
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's response-psashizm » Phil, posted by Dinah on October 29, 2012, at 22:54:52
> I hope you feel better soon, Phil. And I hope that when you're feeling a bit better, you'll feel better able to cope here if you wish to be with the folks on Babble. If it's better for you to be away, I certainly understand that too.
>
> Take care, and be very careful with the medications that excite the nervous system. Can you call your pdoc?Uh, the only place online or IRL that I'm fired up like this is psycho babble. I've seen my therapist and two good friends in the last few days. Seemed fine.
But if I'm triggered I get mad. Still, it beats 16 hour naps. At least I'm getting help.
I wanted to see Lou go away and was willing to raise hell till it happened. It won't happen.
I'm OK now. Who cares?
Posted by Dinah on November 2, 2012, at 12:58:11
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's response-psashizm, posted by Phil on November 2, 2012, at 12:33:25
I care.
How do you stand on meds? Have you moved up on the adderall? Is the seroquel helping.
I really wish you could get back to the Vyvanse(??) if it was helping you with the catatonic elements of depression without causing agitation. Medication induced agitation is the most awful feeling.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 4, 2012, at 5:28:48
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's response-psashizm » Dinah, posted by Phil on November 1, 2012, at 15:02:01
> Yes I'm here, darn it. I'm doing OK till something sets me off and then I have to watch my temper. I do fail and I'm sorry for that. I don't mean to be a pompous *ss or hurt anyone.
>
> But again, this poster single handily made a lot of my friends leave here. And it's only gotten worse.
>
> I grew up around alcoholism and everyone's gently urging them to get help but it never works. Pretty soon the conversation turns to listen goddamnit you're killing yourself. My mother was committed.
>
> Many people want him well so he fights back twice as hard. I get it, he sees nothing wrong.
>
> I hope people can focus less on my anger and more to my intent.
>
> But for now, I don't care because it's futile to care. I just become another angry poster.
>
> Long live Lou.Phil,
Please do not post anything about me here that others could construe as blame toward me. There is the concept of scapegoating that could arouse ill-will toward me here by what you posted here about me.
Mr Hsiung is allowing for you to use his forum as a venue to post what could IMHO arouse hatred toward me, which could cause others to be swayed to have hostile feelings toward me. This could then hamper my efforts to save lives here for what you have posted about me could put me in false light. I am prohibited by Mr Hsiung to post here about the historical uses of scapegoating toward Jews and others in a particular historical time period. Please do not ever again post anything about me here that could have the potential to bring that up.
Lou
Posted by Phil on November 4, 2012, at 10:17:26
In reply to Lou's response-skheyp, posted by Lou Pilder on November 4, 2012, at 5:28:48
I'll do my best Lou.
Posted by SLS on November 5, 2012, at 8:09:44
In reply to Re: what is going on here?, posted by Twinleaf on October 31, 2012, at 13:15:38
> I agree completely. There have been several sincere, respectful, strong requests for Bob to support and help our efforts to prevent posters, both new and old, from being traumatized by Lou's posts. I feel very disillusioned by the fact that Bob will ignore something this important, and yet appear briefly to block posters who are much less harmful. I am starting to think that much-needed caring and good executive judgement may simply not be there (as I had always believed).
Let me be the first to be blocked from posting by Dr. Bob. as an inaugural of a second term of moderation. I'll figure out how to go about doing this, but it shouldn't be that difficult.
I think it would be much easier on Dr. Bob for him to restore the sanctioning of uncivil conduct if someone other than Lou Pilder were to be the first to be blocked from posting upon the reestablishment of website moderation.
Lou Pilder is intelligent and very clever. I do not wish for him to be blocked from posting on Psycho-Babble unless his posts are deemed uncivil. Perhaps the rules of civil conduct should be rewritten for the sake of clarity and specificity.
- Scott
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 15:27:34
In reply to Re: defamation, posted by sukarno on October 29, 2012, at 8:17:06
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur
>
> I believe a dictionary is handy at times but I digress.
>
> "The members here are indoctrinated by Mr Hsiung and his deputy.."
>
> I believe there is no evidence of this and that such statements are at the very least counterproductive and could be considered as defamatory. It's regrettable to say the least and I'm truly sorry you feel that way.
>
> Dr. Robert Hsiung, M.D. is a health professional in private psychiatric practice who helps people with mental illnesses to recover as much as possible and thus be able to help themselves. He is a professional of high repute. That is definitely neither the attribute of nor the modus operandi of a cult leader, such as L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones.
>
> I'm sorry you feel the way you do but I humbly ask that you please see things in perspective and seek psychiatric care if need be. This is only a suggestion and I'm sorry if you feel put down as that's not my intention.
>
> Regards,
> SukarnoS,
The members here are indoctrinated by the administration of the site that consists of Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his past deputies. An indoctrination occurs in a group when the leaders, which could be a school or a government or a religious group or a socialist group or fascist gruop or such have the key which is that the group members are told what is or not and to try and trust what the leader and whoever he/she authorizes to carry out his/her wishes denotes as what is conducive to the civic harmony of the community/country/ party/school etc. etc.. In this grouop, the members are told what is civil, they are told what is supportive, and they are told what aspects of a faith is acceptable and what aspects of a faith is or is not to be considered supportive and/or civil. The members get a reward by accomodating the leader's thinking in relation to that he/she is doing what will be good for the community as a whole. The leader here states that he will appreciate members accepting what his thinking does here, so members could get an intrinsic reward by following his thinking, in particular but not limited to, his allowing antisemitic statements to stand, and ecouraging members to "offset" me, whatever that could mean.
Then there is scapegoating being allowed here, which I object beyond (redacted by respondent) that fosters hatred toward me. And The administration can do that by allowing those type of statements to stand so that others could also post the same about me and post lies about me.
But the indoctrination is much more than that. It comes from a psychiatrist that has a higher standard to uphold. And when I came to this forum I saw that Mr Hsiung was a psychiatrist and his TOS would protect me from being a victim of antisemitic violence, be it physical or the posting of emotional/psychological violence here allowed to stand that defames Jews.
Here is a link to where Mr Hsiung even says that it is good that a member believes what has been used in the doctrine of {replacement theology} that has been used to foster hatred toward the Jews to ligitimize harming Jews.
htp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html.
Now the indoctrination is that Mr Hsiung says that it is good. This could lead some members to join the leader in his thinking and if they are in a mind-altered state from drugs that were given to them by a psychiatrist/doctor, there is a growing body of evidence to show that the drug could induce a mind-altered state for the taker of the drug to be compeled to commit murder, even mass-murder. And if it is instilled in their mind by reading that a psychiatrist thinks that it is good that a member believes what could be a statement that essentially says that Jews did not have grace or truth until Jesus came, which defames the Jews, then there is an indoctrination here, and they could target a Jew for murder
I ask readers to see for themselves the tOS here by reading this link at the end where Mr Hsiung states that;...I want to be open to feedback, but if you could also please try to accept what I decide and to trust that I am doing what will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.Thanks...
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
When I came here and read that, I took him at his word.
Then the indoctrination becomes policy. It becomes {established} by the following, it becomes {state-sponsored} :
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/949004.html
Friends, you can think anyway you want. But in a community where there are poeple that can be swayed by the leader to accept his thinking, and he and his deputies control the content by allowing or not allowing, then you have an indoctrination and in this case, the indoctrination is allowing hatred to be posted toward the Jews to the point where it is allowed by Mr Hsiung to post what could be thought that the 1 1/2 million Jewish children murdered by (redacted by respondent) can not have forgiveness or eternal life because they were Jews that have in their Faith a rejection of Christiandom's claim here posted, and the statement also could be thought that those murderers of innocent Jewish children have forgivness and eternal life because they accepted what the post purports as some Cristiandom groups say that their bible says. (does it)? The indoctrination is further infused by that the foundaton of Judaism as revealed to me is prohibitted by Mr Hsiung for me to post. So bothe sides now does not happen here, for it can't because the drafter of the rules has made it so. That is part of an indoctrination, my friends. There is much more to this and the furnace of hate can be stoked wherever these posts that defame dthe Jews that are allowed by Mr Hsiung to stand are read. No indoctrination? May the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob have mercy upon all of you that go along with the hate being allowed to be posted here.
Lou
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 15:46:10
In reply to Lou's reply-hahmahz » sukarno, posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 15:27:34
> > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur
> >
> > I believe a dictionary is handy at times but I digress.
> >
> > "The members here are indoctrinated by Mr Hsiung and his deputy.."
> >
> > I believe there is no evidence of this and that such statements are at the very least counterproductive and could be considered as defamatory. It's regrettable to say the least and I'm truly sorry you feel that way.
> >
> > Dr. Robert Hsiung, M.D. is a health professional in private psychiatric practice who helps people with mental illnesses to recover as much as possible and thus be able to help themselves. He is a professional of high repute. That is definitely neither the attribute of nor the modus operandi of a cult leader, such as L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones.
> >
> > I'm sorry you feel the way you do but I humbly ask that you please see things in perspective and seek psychiatric care if need be. This is only a suggestion and I'm sorry if you feel put down as that's not my intention.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sukarno
>
> S,
> The members here are indoctrinated by the administration of the site that consists of Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his past deputies. An indoctrination occurs in a group when the leaders, which could be a school or a government or a religious group or a socialist group or fascist gruop or such have the key which is that the group members are told what is or not and to try and trust what the leader and whoever he/she authorizes to carry out his/her wishes denotes as what is conducive to the civic harmony of the community/country/ party/school etc. etc.. In this grouop, the members are told what is civil, they are told what is supportive, and they are told what aspects of a faith is acceptable and what aspects of a faith is or is not to be considered supportive and/or civil. The members get a reward by accomodating the leader's thinking in relation to that he/she is doing what will be good for the community as a whole. The leader here states that he will appreciate members accepting what his thinking does here, so members could get an intrinsic reward by following his thinking, in particular but not limited to, his allowing antisemitic statements to stand, and ecouraging members to "offset" me, whatever that could mean.
> Then there is scapegoating being allowed here, which I object beyond (redacted by respondent) that fosters hatred toward me. And The administration can do that by allowing those type of statements to stand so that others could also post the same about me and post lies about me.
> But the indoctrination is much more than that. It comes from a psychiatrist that has a higher standard to uphold. And when I came to this forum I saw that Mr Hsiung was a psychiatrist and his TOS would protect me from being a victim of antisemitic violence, be it physical or the posting of emotional/psychological violence here allowed to stand that defames Jews.
> Here is a link to where Mr Hsiung even says that it is good that a member believes what has been used in the doctrine of {replacement theology} that has been used to foster hatred toward the Jews to ligitimize harming Jews.
> htp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html.
> Now the indoctrination is that Mr Hsiung says that it is good. This could lead some members to join the leader in his thinking and if they are in a mind-altered state from drugs that were given to them by a psychiatrist/doctor, there is a growing body of evidence to show that the drug could induce a mind-altered state for the taker of the drug to be compeled to commit murder, even mass-murder. And if it is instilled in their mind by reading that a psychiatrist thinks that it is good that a member believes what could be a statement that essentially says that Jews did not have grace or truth until Jesus came, which defames the Jews, then there is an indoctrination here, and they could target a Jew for murder
> I ask readers to see for themselves the tOS here by reading this link at the end where Mr Hsiung states that;
>
> ...I want to be open to feedback, but if you could also please try to accept what I decide and to trust that I am doing what will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.Thanks...
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> When I came here and read that, I took him at his word.
> Then the indoctrination becomes policy. It becomes {established} by the following, it becomes {state-sponsored} :
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/949004.html
> Friends, you can think anyway you want. But in a community where there are poeple that can be swayed by the leader to accept his thinking, and he and his deputies control the content by allowing or not allowing, then you have an indoctrination and in this case, the indoctrination is allowing hatred to be posted toward the Jews to the point where it is allowed by Mr Hsiung to post what could be thought that the 1 1/2 million Jewish children murdered by (redacted by respondent) can not have forgiveness or eternal life because they were Jews that have in their Faith a rejection of Christiandom's claim here posted, and the statement also could be thought that those murderers of innocent Jewish children have forgivness and eternal life because they accepted what the post purports as some Cristiandom groups say that their bible says. (does it)? The indoctrination is further infused by that the foundaton of Judaism as revealed to me is prohibitted by Mr Hsiung for me to post. So bothe sides now does not happen here, for it can't because the drafter of the rules has made it so. That is part of an indoctrination, my friends. There is much more to this and the furnace of hate can be stoked wherever these posts that defame dthe Jews that are allowed by Mr Hsiung to stand are read. No indoctrination? May the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob have mercy upon all of you that go along with the hate being allowed to be posted here.
> Loucorrected link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/949004.html
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 15:50:08
In reply to corrected link- Lou's reply-hahmahz, posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 15:46:10
> > > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur
> > >
> > > I believe a dictionary is handy at times but I digress.
> > >
> > > "The members here are indoctrinated by Mr Hsiung and his deputy.."
> > >
> > > I believe there is no evidence of this and that such statements are at the very least counterproductive and could be considered as defamatory. It's regrettable to say the least and I'm truly sorry you feel that way.
> > >
> > > Dr. Robert Hsiung, M.D. is a health professional in private psychiatric practice who helps people with mental illnesses to recover as much as possible and thus be able to help themselves. He is a professional of high repute. That is definitely neither the attribute of nor the modus operandi of a cult leader, such as L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry you feel the way you do but I humbly ask that you please see things in perspective and seek psychiatric care if need be. This is only a suggestion and I'm sorry if you feel put down as that's not my intention.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Sukarno
> >
> > S,
> > The members here are indoctrinated by the administration of the site that consists of Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his past deputies. An indoctrination occurs in a group when the leaders, which could be a school or a government or a religious group or a socialist group or fascist gruop or such have the key which is that the group members are told what is or not and to try and trust what the leader and whoever he/she authorizes to carry out his/her wishes denotes as what is conducive to the civic harmony of the community/country/ party/school etc. etc.. In this grouop, the members are told what is civil, they are told what is supportive, and they are told what aspects of a faith is acceptable and what aspects of a faith is or is not to be considered supportive and/or civil. The members get a reward by accomodating the leader's thinking in relation to that he/she is doing what will be good for the community as a whole. The leader here states that he will appreciate members accepting what his thinking does here, so members could get an intrinsic reward by following his thinking, in particular but not limited to, his allowing antisemitic statements to stand, and ecouraging members to "offset" me, whatever that could mean.
> > Then there is scapegoating being allowed here, which I object beyond (redacted by respondent) that fosters hatred toward me. And The administration can do that by allowing those type of statements to stand so that others could also post the same about me and post lies about me.
> > But the indoctrination is much more than that. It comes from a psychiatrist that has a higher standard to uphold. And when I came to this forum I saw that Mr Hsiung was a psychiatrist and his TOS would protect me from being a victim of antisemitic violence, be it physical or the posting of emotional/psychological violence here allowed to stand that defames Jews.
> > Here is a link to where Mr Hsiung even says that it is good that a member believes what has been used in the doctrine of {replacement theology} that has been used to foster hatred toward the Jews to ligitimize harming Jews.
> > htp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html.
> > Now the indoctrination is that Mr Hsiung says that it is good. This could lead some members to join the leader in his thinking and if they are in a mind-altered state from drugs that were given to them by a psychiatrist/doctor, there is a growing body of evidence to show that the drug could induce a mind-altered state for the taker of the drug to be compeled to commit murder, even mass-murder. And if it is instilled in their mind by reading that a psychiatrist thinks that it is good that a member believes what could be a statement that essentially says that Jews did not have grace or truth until Jesus came, which defames the Jews, then there is an indoctrination here, and they could target a Jew for murder
> > I ask readers to see for themselves the tOS here by reading this link at the end where Mr Hsiung states that;
> >
> > ...I want to be open to feedback, but if you could also please try to accept what I decide and to trust that I am doing what will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.Thanks...
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> >
> > When I came here and read that, I took him at his word.
> > Then the indoctrination becomes policy. It becomes {established} by the following, it becomes {state-sponsored} :
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/949004.html
> > Friends, you can think anyway you want. But in a community where there are poeple that can be swayed by the leader to accept his thinking, and he and his deputies control the content by allowing or not allowing, then you have an indoctrination and in this case, the indoctrination is allowing hatred to be posted toward the Jews to the point where it is allowed by Mr Hsiung to post what could be thought that the 1 1/2 million Jewish children murdered by (redacted by respondent) can not have forgiveness or eternal life because they were Jews that have in their Faith a rejection of Christiandom's claim here posted, and the statement also could be thought that those murderers of innocent Jewish children have forgivness and eternal life because they accepted what the post purports as some Cristiandom groups say that their bible says. (does it)? The indoctrination is further infused by that the foundaton of Judaism as revealed to me is prohibitted by Mr Hsiung for me to post. So bothe sides now does not happen here, for it can't because the drafter of the rules has made it so. That is part of an indoctrination, my friends. There is much more to this and the furnace of hate can be stoked wherever these posts that defame dthe Jews that are allowed by Mr Hsiung to stand are read. No indoctrination? May the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob have mercy upon all of you that go along with the hate being allowed to be posted here.
> > Lou
>
> corrected link:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/949004.htmlcorrected 2end attempt
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html
Posted by 10derheart on November 18, 2012, at 19:30:52
In reply to Lou's reply-hahmahz » sukarno, posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 15:27:34
I object.
I never indoctrinated anyone here, Lou. It's patently absurd.
I am sorry you think this and feel the need to make such uncivil statements.
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 20:00:47
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-hahmahz » Lou PIlder, posted by 10derheart on November 18, 2012, at 19:30:52
> I object.
>
> I never indoctrinated anyone here, Lou. It's patently absurd.
>
> I am sorry you think this and feel the need to make such uncivil statements.10,
An indoctrination occurs when a perspective by one member is prohibited from being posted. An indoctrination could also occure if the one that can control the content does not act on a statement and allows it to stand.
The deputies have functions to sanction a statement and if tey do not, then an indoctrination could be fosterd, for the deputy can act on their own because there are statements by the former deputies that state that an appeal to Mr Hsiung could be made in relation to action of sanctioning by the deputy.
I see the administration here as one entity consisting of Mr Hsiung and his deputy now. Previosly, I see the admin as Mr Hsiung and his former deputies. I consider any antisemitic statement that is allowed to stand when the previous deputies were active to be allowed to stand by all of the deputies at the time the statement was posted. So an indoctrination can occur by inaction by the deputy.
What is more disturbing is that there are years of outstanding requests concerning posts and outstanding notifications that are not acted on by not only Mr Hsiung but also the deputies of the time that the post was notified by me. Now Mr Hsiung saysthat deputies d not have to act, but that does not mean that they can't act if they want to, as far as I know from the TOS here. This does bring up that there could be unbeknownst to me some other reason as to why all he deputies also have allowed my notifications to be outstanding when they have authorization in the TOS to act if they want to.
The prohibitions to me here keep the Jewish perspective as revealed to me from being posted.This fosters an indoctrination here because Mr Hsiung does not allow me to post that here. If deputies do not post an objection to that prohibition, I consider them to be part of the indoctrination. I do remember one deputy that objected to that. Was it you?
Lou
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 19, 2012, at 7:23:02
In reply to Lou's reply-ahntiegwdehyizm » 10derheart, posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 20:00:47
> > I object.
> >
> > I never indoctrinated anyone here, Lou. It's patently absurd.
> >
> > I am sorry you think this and feel the need to make such uncivil statements.
>
> 10,
> An indoctrination occurs when a perspective by one member is prohibited from being posted. An indoctrination could also occure if the one that can control the content does not act on a statement and allows it to stand.
> The deputies have functions to sanction a statement and if tey do not, then an indoctrination could be fosterd, for the deputy can act on their own because there are statements by the former deputies that state that an appeal to Mr Hsiung could be made in relation to action of sanctioning by the deputy.
> I see the administration here as one entity consisting of Mr Hsiung and his deputy now. Previosly, I see the admin as Mr Hsiung and his former deputies. I consider any antisemitic statement that is allowed to stand when the previous deputies were active to be allowed to stand by all of the deputies at the time the statement was posted. So an indoctrination can occur by inaction by the deputy.
> What is more disturbing is that there are years of outstanding requests concerning posts and outstanding notifications that are not acted on by not only Mr Hsiung but also the deputies of the time that the post was notified by me. Now Mr Hsiung saysthat deputies d not have to act, but that does not mean that they can't act if they want to, as far as I know from the TOS here. This does bring up that there could be unbeknownst to me some other reason as to why all he deputies also have allowed my notifications to be outstanding when they have authorization in the TOS to act if they want to.
> The prohibitions to me here keep the Jewish perspective as revealed to me from being posted.This fosters an indoctrination here because Mr Hsiung does not allow me to post that here. If deputies do not post an objection to that prohibition, I consider them to be part of the indoctrination. I do remember one deputy that objected to that. Was it you?
> Lou10,
Now you say that you never indoctrinated anyone here. The indoctrination happens by you having the ability to control the content by either allowing or not allowing what is civil and/or supportive here by the authority authorized to you by Mr Hsiung. I believe that you had a {duty} to act to prevent antisemitic statements from being allowed to stand because by the nature of that they are allowed to stand, others could think that the statement is supportive and civil here. That leads to an indoctrination at least to those easily swayed, or the {less-confident} member that Mr Hsiung says exist here. And could there not be members here so easily indoctrinated that are even less than a {less-confident} member that could think that they are superior to Jews and that Jews could be sterotyped by the following post?
One of the definitions of antisemitism is that a Jew or Jews are stereotyped as being {demonized}. The following post is still allowed to stand fanning the flames of hatred toward me as a Jew here. By the nature that the statement is allowed to stand, members could think that it is civil an supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. And members could think that they have a duty to try and trust Mr Hsiung in that by him allowing the statement to stand, it will be good for this community as a whole. The deputies had the opportunity to sanction the post as far as I know. Were you a deputy at the time this was posted? I am defamed and the defamation is allowed to stand to this day and no deputy has ever (redacted by respondent). Would you be willing to post here why you have not acted on that post if you were a duputy when it was posted? I am not evil. I have come here to save lives and release people from the prison of addiction and depression. That is not evil in any forum. The revelation that I would post if the prohibitions were not made to me here would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me. That is prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me and that is part of the indoctrination here. And by leaving the post in question to stand, that further leads people to belive in that what is in quesation is supportive here and leads people to decrease the respect or regard to me as a Jew here that is allowed to stand as you see it in this link provided here.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041012/msgs/407077.html
Posted by Willful on November 19, 2012, at 14:57:06
In reply to Lou's reply-dheighmhoneyz, posted by Lou PIlder on November 19, 2012, at 7:23:02
Lou
You do not understand the concept of indoctrination. Indoctrination can only occur when the person (s) doing the indoctrination have sufficient status and control over the subject of indoctrination to be either:
1/ so highly respected and so powerful in the entire community that the person belongs to, that the indoctrinator's word or rules are totally in control of the person's thought process
or
2/ in control of all access to other points of view. The indoctrinator has to be able to keep the subject from hearing or being in contact with any other means of learning about ideas or information contrary to that of the indoctrinator.
It is clear that Dr Bob has no such power over any of us. This website is not our only avenue to information or points of view. Dr. Bob is not a god, or political figure in the world. We all live in various communities where we have access to all sorts of information and ways of thinking that are completely opposed to or very different from Dr. Bob's.Therefore he has no way of indoctrinating us with any of his ideas or beliefs, or points of view. We are quite free to ask you for further information outside Babble if we want to, or to research anywhere the ideas that you do present. We can read Jewish doctrine, Jewish history, Jewish theology, your theology, your experiences and all sorts of other things.
Therefore there is no indoctrination going on here. Dr. Bob can influence our behavior here, but but not anywhere else.
So maybe you 'll have to find another explanation for what happens on this website.
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