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Posted by Dinah on October 21, 2012, at 9:22:11
In reply to Lou's response- » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 21, 2012, at 6:11:36
I think that at the very least you should stop making blanket statements about all mentally ill people and all medications.
It is important for antipsychotics to be used with people who become psychotic who are can be dangerous to themselves or others without medication. Withdrawal had diddly to do with it. My relatives had psychotic breaks far they were ever medicated, and were a danger to themselves, though not (to my knowledge) to others.
You say people on medication can be a danger to Jews. I say people who need medication and don't get it are dangerous to themselves and others. I saw their families be destroyed, even if they weren't physically a danger to others. And while that wasn't entirely because of their mental illness, their mental illness did deprive their children of a safe and reliable parent during a difficult time. I saw those same relatives restore their relationships while they were on medication.
I appreciate that you warn of the dangers of withdrawal. But that isn't enough to keep your words from potentially causing harm. I think you could potentially harm others by discouraging people who need medication from taking it. How would you feel if even one person who had severe mental illness was discouraged from taking psychotropic drugs, and as a result harmed themselves and others? I know you don't want to hurt others, Lou. But I very strongly believe you could.
If you would modify your message somewhat, so that you acknowledge that while psych drugs are overprescribed and can cause harm, it is important for those who do need medication to take it, I wouldn't say anything. If you were to say most of what you say with "unnecessary" in front of "medication", I wouldn't have a problem with it.
As my best recent pdoc used to say. "There are side effects from taking medication. There are side effects from not taking medications. It's up to you which side effects you will accept." I'd modify that a bit if someone is a danger to others.
I'm using psychosis as an example, because it's psychosis that I saw destroying families. I feel really strongly about that because it has directly had an impact on me. And yet, depression also runs in my family, and suicide from depression. Long before there were any drugs to cure it. A case could be made that your repeated talk about death could cause someone deeply suicidal to believe that their case was hopeless and they were doomed whether or not they took meds, so just as well kill themselves more directly.
I think you could harm others, Lou, however little you mean to do so. And I think you harm your own cause as well. People are more likely to take your legitimate points seriously if you aren't talking of death-o-meters. Frankly that made me so angry that thoughts of civility weren't uppermost in my mind. I was angry with you and angry with Bob that this was allowed. It went too far, Lou.
I do want to thank you for refraining from labeling me as anti-semitic. My feelings of anger with you stem from your own behavior, not your ethnicity or religion. Thank you for remembering that I like Jewish people, and study Jewish theology, and speak positively of the Jewish faith even in the face of opposition from others.
I don't want anyone to hurt you, Lou. I suppose I do want someone to protect the people who read this board from behavior I believe could potentially cause harm to others. So my main problem is with Dr. Bob, I suppose. He could keep you from making these statements on his board, whatever he says.
Posted by Dinah on October 21, 2012, at 9:32:55
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » Dinah, posted by Phil on October 21, 2012, at 5:41:11
I'll answer part of this on the medication board.
But I will say that this is no new gang. The posters you mentioned have been around for a very long time and are not really acting that much differently than usual - except for the freedom of restraints of Dr. Bob's moderation. What you're noticing is the impact of flight from your neighborhood into safer neighborhoods or better yet, into wellness. It changes the balance and tone of the neighborhood. As well, of course, as the absence of community policing. You know how much I appreciate civility. But even I have to admit that a population who has learned helplessness with respect to those in authority are far more likely to result to private duels and vigilante justice to deal with frustration and anger.
So perhaps an unmoderated community will always feel different. Some people will take to it like a seal to water. Some won't. Dr. Bob, now as before, has decided which group of people he wishes at Babble.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 21, 2012, at 11:08:26
In reply to Re: Lou's response- » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 21, 2012, at 9:22:11
> I think that at the very least you should stop making blanket statements about all mentally ill people and all medications.
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> It is important for antipsychotics to be used with people who become psychotic who are can be dangerous to themselves or others without medication. Withdrawal had diddly to do with it. My relatives had psychotic breaks far they were ever medicated, and were a danger to themselves, though not (to my knowledge) to others.
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> You say people on medication can be a danger to Jews. I say people who need medication and don't get it are dangerous to themselves and others. I saw their families be destroyed, even if they weren't physically a danger to others. And while that wasn't entirely because of their mental illness, their mental illness did deprive their children of a safe and reliable parent during a difficult time. I saw those same relatives restore their relationships while they were on medication.
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> I appreciate that you warn of the dangers of withdrawal. But that isn't enough to keep your words from potentially causing harm. I think you could potentially harm others by discouraging people who need medication from taking it. How would you feel if even one person who had severe mental illness was discouraged from taking psychotropic drugs, and as a result harmed themselves and others? I know you don't want to hurt others, Lou. But I very strongly believe you could.
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> If you would modify your message somewhat, so that you acknowledge that while psych drugs are overprescribed and can cause harm, it is important for those who do need medication to take it, I wouldn't say anything. If you were to say most of what you say with "unnecessary" in front of "medication", I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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> As my best recent pdoc used to say. "There are side effects from taking medication. There are side effects from not taking medications. It's up to you which side effects you will accept." I'd modify that a bit if someone is a danger to others.
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> I'm using psychosis as an example, because it's psychosis that I saw destroying families. I feel really strongly about that because it has directly had an impact on me. And yet, depression also runs in my family, and suicide from depression. Long before there were any drugs to cure it. A case could be made that your repeated talk about death could cause someone deeply suicidal to believe that their case was hopeless and they were doomed whether or not they took meds, so just as well kill themselves more directly.
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> I think you could harm others, Lou, however little you mean to do so. And I think you harm your own cause as well. People are more likely to take your legitimate points seriously if you aren't talking of death-o-meters. Frankly that made me so angry that thoughts of civility weren't uppermost in my mind. I was angry with you and angry with Bob that this was allowed. It went too far, Lou.
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> I do want to thank you for refraining from labeling me as anti-semitic. My feelings of anger with you stem from your own behavior, not your ethnicity or religion. Thank you for remembering that I like Jewish people, and study Jewish theology, and speak positively of the Jewish faith even in the face of opposition from others.
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> I don't want anyone to hurt you, Lou. I suppose I do want someone to protect the people who read this board from behavior I believe could potentially cause harm to others. So my main problem is with Dr. Bob, I suppose. He could keep you from making these statements on his board, whatever he says.Friends,
Let us see what is really goin' on here. First, I would like to cover the aspect of that Dinah wrote that [...withdrawal had diddly to do with it...].
Now the grammatical structure looking at the context that the statement is in, paints a dfferent picture, my friends. You see, the {it}, in its context, is {the murder of the two children}.
Now here is the statement in it's context and grammatical structure:
[...A woman killed her two kids here in New Orleans the other day. Her family says she's fine {as long as she took her medication}. Two kids are dead and I see Lou making remarks like he makes...].
Now see the part,{as long as she took her medication}.
Now it can be thought that the grammatical structure and the context show that the murder of the two kids was done while the woman was not taking her medication. This is because the statement that she is *fine* {as long as she is taking her medication}. So if she *was* taking her medication, she would be fine. If she would be fine, then the grammatical structure of the statement here could mean that she would have not murdered her two kids. Thearfore, it can be thought that she was in withdrawal, which I have plenty of research studies that show that people in withdrawal can kill themselves and/or others, even commit mass-murder.
You see, there is evidence in the psychiatric community of this that I am wanting people to know here. And those that want to supresss what I need to tell you here can keep you from knowing facts, facts that IMHHHO could mark the difference between you being alive or dead.
So when you read here things about me, remember that I have prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from even posting my complete response to Dinah here that I think that if I was allowed to do so, lives could be saved.
***Please understand also that I do not accept anecdotal reports as evidence of fact.***
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 21, 2012, at 11:29:05
In reply to Lou's reply-heerpsehy » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 21, 2012, at 11:08:26
Neither do I. Nor do I accept cherrypicked and improperly interpreted studies as fact.
But to clarify, by "it" I was referring to my family members who were dangerous before they even had a bit of psychiatric medication and less dangerous after. Not to this particular woman, who apparently did take medications at times (and was, according to her family less dangerous when she did.) The focus of the article was the cost and difficulty of obtaining proper treatment.
If you aren't willing to consider that you may be harming others, there's not much I can do. You'll harm or not, and it's beyond my control. I imagine anyone who is thinking clearly can easily judge your posts on their merits, and treat them accordingly. I think Dr. Bob is doing a disservice to those who may be particularly vulnerable at any given time.
If you're going around telling posters they are harming people by pushing medications, calling them drug pushers, etc. I think it is perfectly ok for others to point out that you may be harming people. Why do you think it's ok for you to do it, but not for others to respond by pointing out the dangers and irresponsibility of your own posts? Do you report yourself when you call other Babblers names? Or accuse them of drug pushing?
I personally don't think either is particularly civil. But what can we do when we're abandoned? We are abandoned, and need to rely on what tools we have.
I don't understand AT ALL why you give a fat rat's *ss what Dr. Bob thinks about your posts or what he does and doesn't allow.
DR. BOB IS NOT MONITORING THE D*MN FORUM! SAY WHAT YOU LIKE!
Just recognize that people will show you the same level of respect and courtesy that you show them.
Posted by Emme_v2 on October 21, 2012, at 13:21:20
In reply to Leaving the circus, again, posted by Phil on October 20, 2012, at 19:37:02
Phil,
I don't think I've interacted much with you directly. But for the record, I read your posts, and I like you and feel bad that you are having a rough time.
I hope you will be able to stay.
emme
Posted by Phil on October 21, 2012, at 15:04:52
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » Phil, posted by Emme_v2 on October 21, 2012, at 13:21:20
Thanks Emme. Just wait till I start telling stories. :)
I'm going to stay until it becomes more stressful to be here than not. I'm still not sure where that line is right now.
I'm just like you, we just want a safe laid back place to interact and that promotes wellness in itself. But riding my pony while pulling arrows out of my back is not fun. In that case I'll fire the cannons and I was real close to doing that.
BTW, I'm 3'6" and weigh 80 pounds. I just like talking tough on the internet. :)
Posted by phillipa on October 21, 2012, at 23:22:51
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » Emme_v2, posted by Phil on October 21, 2012, at 15:04:52
Don't venture to this board much anymore. Glad I did tonight and also glad you are staying. I get the emails from the blocked blaming me for them being caught? Are they ignorant that the way they post is what gets them caught? Shoot wasn't here on any internet for 24 hours and couldn't as the "FBI" virus attacked my computer. So I sure didn't report anyone. Stick around for more fun!!! Phillipa
Posted by 10derheart on October 22, 2012, at 23:25:45
In reply to Leaving the circus, again, posted by Phil on October 20, 2012, at 19:37:02
Phil,
I feel the same as sleepygirl and Dinah. I'd tired and having a weird day, so I won't try to say it better.
Just wanted you to know I am eager to open your posts, too. The way you write is really real and I like it a lot. I know you may not believe me, but I understand so much of what you are saying about posters here. It's hard. I love free speech and would go to great lengths to protect it, and to protect those I get being bullied, scapegoated, singled out....no matter what they have been recently saying. Its the principle of the thing. But there comes a time when enough actually is ENOUGH.....
When I was a deputy, I got tied up in knots around these things. In tears more than once. I just want people to be kind and careful but they won't always be.
I dunno, Phil. Selfishly hope to see you again, but don't get agitated and harm your health over PB. Please. You're a good guy. I can tell. --10der
Posted by Tabitha on October 23, 2012, at 15:24:43
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » Emme_v2, posted by Phil on October 21, 2012, at 15:04:52
Hi Phil, I hope you stay. Enjoyed the pictures on Social. Nice to see your face and I learned that Jack White has a really cool looking drum kit. Plus you managed to lure the Wizard out from behind his curtain.
Posted by Phil on October 23, 2012, at 19:39:42
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » Phil, posted by Tabitha on October 23, 2012, at 15:24:43
Jack White has so much talent. I love it when those guys and girls surface. That's one of the coolest kits I've seen.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 6:09:41
In reply to Re: the circus, posted by Dr. Bob on October 21, 2012, at 2:49:20
> > It's been worse but I'll pull through as long as I don't read another of the Prince of Deaths posts. We have a new guy asking for advice and on the thread just above it Lou is saying if he's not allowed to speak that the meds will kill him. Maybe I'll be back I don't know it is so crazy here that we need a few sane people to offset the nonsense. I can't believe Lou is telling people this. Mental patients need meds and Lou should be first in line. I'm not trying to be mean but Jesus Christ. Heck I may stick around just for the humor, no one could write this script.
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> I wish I could keep the Prince of Death away. I hope others here can help you offset him, and you can do the same for them.
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> The Wizard of BabbleMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...I wish I could keep the Prince of Death away...].
By what authority do you use, if any, to refer to someone here, that others could think is me, to refer to that person, or me, as what you wrote?
Is this reflecting your attitude toward respect to members here? Your post could encourage others to promulgate hatred toward me and hatred toward the Jews. You say support takes precedence. Does hatred take precedence? The deaths here are from the drugs that you allow to be promoted. I have come to show a way for others to have life, and life more abundantly. Who then is The Prince of Death? WHo allows statements here to stand that could arouse hatred toward the Jews? Who allows statements to stand that are insults to Islam and Judaism and other faiths?
Lou PIlder
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 8:17:08
In reply to Lou's request to Mr Hsiung-phowlndehyshunofheyt » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 6:09:41
I believe he was referring to the content of the posts, not the creator of them. You surely don't object to the characterization of your posts as warning of death to and potential violence from those who use psychotropic medications.
I also don't see why you generalize any feelings expressed about you (whether or not the Prince of Death referred to you personally) as feelings expressed about Jews in general. Feelings about one Jew does not feelings about a race make. Otherwise I daresay there would be a fair number of antisemitic Jews, since conflict between Jewish people can not be unheard of. They aren't, of course, antisemitic just because they have negative feelings about an individual.
Is it easier for you to accept that people are antisemitic than that they are upset with Lou the person? Does it hurt less?
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 15:58:55
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Mr Hsiung-phowlndehyshunofheyt » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 8:17:08
> I believe he was referring to the content of the posts, not the creator of them. You surely don't object to the characterization of your posts as warning of death to and potential violence from those who use psychotropic medications.
>
> I also don't see why you generalize any feelings expressed about you (whether or not the Prince of Death referred to you personally) as feelings expressed about Jews in general. Feelings about one Jew does not feelings about a race make. Otherwise I daresay there would be a fair number of antisemitic Jews, since conflict between Jewish people can not be unheard of. They aren't, of course, antisemitic just because they have negative feelings about an individual.
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> Is it easier for you to accept that people are antisemitic than that they are upset with Lou the person? Does it hurt less?D,
You wrote,
[...I believe he was referring to...Prince of Death...feelings about one Jew...upset with Lou the person...].
First of all, just because you believe something as to the intent of another does not mean that all people reading this also believes that same meaning of what Mr Hsiung wrote. YOu see, the rule is to not post what another could think, and there are people here that could think otherwise from what you think.
Then we go to the grammatical structure and the content with what the past posts include for the content in question.
The poster used the description of a person, that which is an insulting slander of {The Prince of Peace} that the Jews rever as used in the book called Isaiah, also used as Melchizedek is called King of peace or king of Salem and others could think the subject person is me, so since it could be directed toward me, it is directed to a Jew.
Mr Hsiung repeats the disrespectfull slander that I see as mocking and taunting me as a Jew, and btw he, or someone he authorizes, corrected his spelling in his post. There were two posts, one with the {Price} of Death and the other as seen, corrected. To exchange the Prince of Peace with the perversion, The Prince of {Death}, is an insult to Judaism that could led a Jew to feel put down.
But you see, there is an indoctrination here because Mr Hsiung has posted prohibitions to me that cause facts to be repressed. Facts that could mark the difference btween life and death. But it is much more than that. You see, after an indoctrination, then comes an {establishment}. By Mr Hsiung also using the Prince of Death, he establishes what is civil. He establishes what is supportive. He establishes that Jews can have their scriptures that they cherish perverted by the use of The Prince of {Death}, which is not what Melchizedek is, for He is the Prince of Peace.
And you define what is respectfull?
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 16:47:03
In reply to Lou's reply-juzehyliddlebhit » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 15:58:55
Lou, you've just accused me of being like fascists. Do you in any way expect me to sympathize with you over this? Nothing Bob said to you was nearly as bad as what you said to me.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 30, 2012, at 8:22:22
In reply to Re: the circus, posted by Dr. Bob on October 21, 2012, at 2:49:20
> > I wish I could keep the Prince of Death away.
You know, that statement is shameful and really out of character for you. I'm disappointed. And yes, I know I'm the pot.
Posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 8:27:56
In reply to Re: the circus » Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on October 30, 2012, at 8:22:22
Since I don't think he actually meant he wanted to keep Lou away, I would have to say that I found it infelicitous wording. Dr. Bob does sometimes get in trouble for trying to be all shrinky and use the same words the poster used.
(He couldn't have meant Lou, since he does have the power to keep Lou away and doesn't use it.)
Were he around, he might attempt to clarify.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 30, 2012, at 9:38:17
In reply to Re: the circus » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 8:27:56
Infelicitous is pretty charitable. Hard to miss how loaded the phrase is. But maybe he had role confusion from being away so long.
Posted by Willful on October 30, 2012, at 13:07:41
In reply to Re: the circus » Dinah, posted by gardenergirl on October 30, 2012, at 9:38:17
I may be over-reading possibly but I totally took Bob's comment as having nothing to do with Lou-- and just being a clever comment about death-- or something like that--
it was like he was just taking the phrase and using it as a more figurative thing about death-- and not about Lou-- and then being clever with it--
of course he might have meant something else-- but I do'nt think there's a real chance he meant Lou. As I say, you guys know him a lot better than I do.
But I really didn't think he could possibly have meant Lou by that. He'd have to be not only very different from how Bob has been-- who has been extra protective of Lou personally and the whole environment of supportiveness-- but actually a very tactless and ill-humored person-- and while Bob might be a bit over-serious about some things, and sometimes very clumsy in how he does things--he certainly doesn't strike me as likely to be that much of a clod.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2012, at 20:01:50
In reply to Lou's request to Mr Hsiung-phowlndehyshunofheyt » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 6:09:41
> > > It's been worse but I'll pull through as long as I don't read another of the Prince of Deaths posts. We have a new guy asking for advice and on the thread just above it Lou is saying if he's not allowed to speak that the meds will kill him. Maybe I'll be back I don't know it is so crazy here that we need a few sane people to offset the nonsense. I can't believe Lou is telling people this. Mental patients need meds and Lou should be first in line. I'm not trying to be mean but Jesus Christ. Heck I may stick around just for the humor, no one could write this script.
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> > I wish I could keep the Prince of Death away. I hope others here can help you offset him, and you can do the same for them.
> >
> > The Wizard of Babble
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> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote,[...I wish I could keep the Prince of Death away...].
> By what authority do you use, if any, to refer to someone here, that others could think is me, to refer to that person, or me, as what you wrote?
> Is this reflecting your attitude toward respect to members here? Your post could encourage others to promulgate hatred toward me and hatred toward the Jews. You say support takes precedence. Does hatred take precedence? The deaths here are from the drugs that you allow to be promoted. I have come to show a way for others to have life, and life more abundantly. Who then is The Prince of Death? WHo allows statements here to stand that could arouse hatred toward the Jews? Who allows statements to stand that are insults to Islam and Judaism and other faiths?
> Lou PIlderMr Hsiung and friends,
The aspect of the identification of {The Prince of Death} is not challenged as to if it is me or not by Mr Hsiung, for it is referring to me.
This is because the subject person is identified in the post as me, for the poster uses my name, and Mr Hsiung has not posted a denial that he is referring to me.
There is also external evidence in the past posts where I have posted about the Prince of Peace from many years ago. But to change the Prince of Peace to the Price of Death (redacted by respondent)
Here are two links where I have posted about the Prince of Peace. I came here to bring a way for members to have peace, peace that heals, peace that can bring one out of depression and adddiction and death. I am not the Prince of Death and posting that about me is decreses the respect to me here and can induce hostil feelings toward me. I want to save lives by posting support and education here. A lot of that is reppressed by the prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung. It is my great conviction that if those prohibitions to me were not posted to me, that members and readers could have had a better chance to live, for they would have have the education prohibited here for me to post.
My friends, there are two ways that I know of to overcome depression and addiction, one by human achievement and the other by divine accomplishment. Let those that want to go on the road of human achievement do so. But also, let those know of the road that has been revealed to me, the road of Melchizedek, The Wonderful Counsellor, The Everlasting Father, The Mighty God, The Prince of Peace.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020627/msgs/6174.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20120922/msgs/1026685.html
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 9:47:25
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-juzehyliddlebhit, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 16:47:03
> Lou, you've just accused me of being like fascists. Do you in any way expect me to sympathize with you over this? Nothing Bob said to you was nearly as bad as what you said to me.
D,
Please do not post here statements about me that you say that I wrote about you when you do not specify what the statements are. By you leaving out the statemets in question, I do not have the opportunity to post a response to what you wrote about me. I do not know of a post by me that has the statements in it that you write here that I posted. Because you did not identify the statements, people could have hostile feelings induced toward me or disagreeable feelings against me. This could IMHO arouse antisemitic feelings toward me on the basis that Mr Hsiung is allowing you to post what you have about me here.
The reasoning here is that Mr Hsiung is allowing what could decrease the respect or regard held of me by allowing you to post the unspecified statements that you say that I have posted about you for I see nothing about {fascists} in the post that you linked to that I posted. And you say that I {just} posted such.
This is consistant with the other posts in this thread and others that have hatred posted toward me that is allowed by Mr Hsiung. I believe that the hatred posted here toward me comes from the following two posts and other posts that have antisemitic statements that are allowed to stand here by Mr Hsiung.
In this post,(A) hatred toward the Jews (redacted by respondent) to this day. The post is seen as being supportive here for there is no sanction to the post and the rule here by Mr Hsiung is that support takes precedence and not to post anything that could lead one to feel put down/accused. So by the nature of the post being unsanctioned, others could think that it is supportive by the administration of the forum.
There is much more to the post than can be seen which is another subject in and of itself. The statements in the post could arouse hostile feelings toward Jews wherever it is read.
And then in this post,(B), Judaism is insulted and so are people of the Islamic faith, and so are others that fall in the catagory of those in the second list as in #5 in that list.
By the nature that it is allowed to stand, there is the potential for some others to have (false) feelings of superiority over Jews and the others and if they are taking mind-altering drugs given to them by a psychiatrist/doctor, there is the potential that homocidal thinking could be increased by the drug and a Jew could be made a target of hate and be targeted for murder. I base this on the historical record where the community leader allowed these type of statements toward Jews as being what would be good for that community , or county, as a whole. You see, when people are in a community that allows antisemitic statemewnts to be thought that those statements will be good for the community as a whole, you have what is known as anti-Judaism, and is state-sponsored, so people in those type of communities could think that they are doing good by showing hate toward Jews and even killing them.
Lou
(A)
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040729/msgs/378930.html(B)
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.html
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 19, 2012, at 8:24:46
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-heerpsehy » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 21, 2012, at 11:29:05
> Neither do I. Nor do I accept cherrypicked and improperly interpreted studies as fact.
>
> But to clarify, by "it" I was referring to my family members who were dangerous before they even had a bit of psychiatric medication and less dangerous after. Not to this particular woman, who apparently did take medications at times (and was, according to her family less dangerous when she did.) The focus of the article was the cost and difficulty of obtaining proper treatment.
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> If you aren't willing to consider that you may be harming others, there's not much I can do. You'll harm or not, and it's beyond my control. I imagine anyone who is thinking clearly can easily judge your posts on their merits, and treat them accordingly. I think Dr. Bob is doing a disservice to those who may be particularly vulnerable at any given time.
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> If you're going around telling posters they are harming people by pushing medications, calling them drug pushers, etc. I think it is perfectly ok for others to point out that you may be harming people. Why do you think it's ok for you to do it, but not for others to respond by pointing out the dangers and irresponsibility of your own posts? Do you report yourself when you call other Babblers names? Or accuse them of drug pushing?
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> I personally don't think either is particularly civil. But what can we do when we're abandoned? We are abandoned, and need to rely on what tools we have.
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> I don't understand AT ALL why you give a fat rat's *ss what Dr. Bob thinks about your posts or what he does and doesn't allow.
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> DR. BOB IS NOT MONITORING THE D*MN FORUM! SAY WHAT YOU LIKE!
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> Just recognize that people will show you the same level of respect and courtesy that you show them.D,
Please do not post here statements that could have the potential for others to see me in a false light. Mr Hsiung is allowing you to post these statements and they could thearfore be considered to be supportive. By the nature that you have not specified where I have said what you say I have said, I do not have the opportunity to respond to what you have posted here about me. I do not believe that I have posted here that others are {drug pushers} and since there is not a post specifying such by you, I can not post my response to what is not there.
It is not perfectly OK with me for others to say that I am harming people. For you or any other to post that here is putting me in a false light, for I have come here to save lives and offer a way for those that are captive to the drug(s) and want a way out to be freed from the slavery of depression and addiction. That is not harming anyone in any forum. The way is the way of The Sun of Righteousness, which is found in the scriptures that the Jews use and the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me is prohibited by Mr Hsiung for me to post here. It is my great, deep conviction that if I was allowed to post such, that others could be alive today that have died here in one way or the other from psychotropic drugs. You say that I may be harming others. Please do not ever again post anything here that others could have the potential to use me as a scapegoat. I am prohibited by Mr Hsiung to post the historical tactics where Jews were used as a sacapegoat for other's real or imagined ills. This is part of the indoctrination goin' on here and your statements about me here are nothing more than (redacted by respondent) toward me. You say, {if} I. That could lead others to think that there is the possibility that I am and you have not specified such. Please do not post anything that could lead others to think of me in such a way by you using the {if} preface. There is no danger to others by me posting from the Jewish perspective here. I have posted over and over that people can kill themselves and/or others during the withdrawal phase. And I am prohibited from posting here by the prohibitions to me from Mr Hsiung a way that has been revealed to me for those that want the shackles of addiction and depression unlocked. I have not posted here yet how that is accomplished and I have posted over and over that I know of two way to overcome. One by human achievement and the other by divine accomplishment. The prohibitions to me by Mr Hsiung fosters an indoctrination here along with what you wrote about me that could lead others here to disregard what I could say and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings toward me here. By you leaving out the statements that you say I said, I can not defend and my reputation is harmed. Mr Hsiung is allowing you to write what you wrote here about me which could mean that others could think that what you posted here about me is supportive which could put me in harms way to be a victim of antisemitic violence thinking that I am harming people by what I write. The people that have drugged their children by coming here and reading what is allowed, did not have my perspective that is prohibited here by Mr Hsiung. What if they had my perspective to include in their decision as to drug their child or not? Would that be harmful?
Lou
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 22, 2012, at 17:01:44
In reply to Re: the circus » Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on October 30, 2012, at 8:22:22
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> > > I wish I could keep the Prince of Death away.
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> You know, that statement is shameful and really out of character for you. I'm disappointed. And yes, I know I'm the pot.gg,
You wrote the above. And I think that you see what's goin' on here.
The statement that Mr Hsiung uses for me here is causing me muich distress. It is a lie that I am he Prince of Death, for I have come here to lead people to a way to have lif, and life more abumdantly. The Prince of Death is Satan. nOw I hope hat you could understand the emotional pain that I am experiancing here from this.
Lou
http://www.whiterosegarden.com/Nature_of_Evil/Satan/satans_titles.htm
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 22, 2012, at 17:12:07
In reply to Lou's response-psaypten » gardenergirl, posted by Lou PIlder on November 22, 2012, at 17:01:44
> >
> >
> > > > I wish I could keep the Prince of Death away.
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> > You know, that statement is shameful and really out of character for you. I'm disappointed. And yes, I know I'm the pot.
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> gg,
> You wrote the above. And I think that you see what's goin' on here.
> The statement that Mr Hsiung uses for me here is causing me muich distress. It is a lie that I am he Prince of Death, for I have come here to lead people to a way to have lif, and life more abumdantly. The Prince of Death is Satan. nOw I hope hat you could understand the emotional pain that I am experiancing here from this.
> Lou
> http://www.whiterosegarden.com/Nature_of_Evil/Satan/satans_titles.htmcorrection to link
http://www.whiterosesgarden.com/Nature_of_Evil/Satan/satans_titles.htm
Posted by gardenergirl on November 26, 2012, at 17:48:08
In reply to Lou's response-psaypten » gardenergirl, posted by Lou PIlder on November 22, 2012, at 17:01:44
I can see how it would be distressing to be called a name like that. When something like that happens to me, I try focus on what I know to be the truth and disregard what I know to be false. It's not easy, and I'm not always successful, but it helps.
And regarding your link: I don't believe in Satan or evil entities.
gg
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 27, 2012, at 15:29:42
In reply to Re: Lou's response-psaypten » Lou PIlder, posted by gardenergirl on November 26, 2012, at 17:48:08
> I can see how it would be distressing to be called a name like that. When something like that happens to me, I try focus on what I know to be the truth and disregard what I know to be false. It's not easy, and I'm not always successful, but it helps.
>
> And regarding your link: I don't believe in Satan or evil entities.
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> gggg,
You wrote the above.
I appreciate members posting here to offer substantiation of what I am posting about here. And your post does substantiate that I am suffering emotional/psychological distress from what Mr Hsiung is doing to me here in relation to that you see his use of {The Prince of Death} toward me as {it would be distressing to be called a name like that}.
But it is much more than that, for Mr Hsiung by him using that name toward me could lead people to think that he condones it, for he used it and did not sanction the poster that used it toward me. Now it becomes more difficult for me to save lives here and to have the antisemitic posts here notated as unsupportive. NOw members could think that they can be free to not only post that toward me, but other epithets as well. And is that going to be good for this community as a whole?
Lou
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