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Posted by partlycloudy on July 2, 2005, at 18:34:38
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks - WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?, posted by KaraS on July 2, 2005, at 16:08:38
This will probably get redirected any minute, so
Posted by partlycloudy on July 2, 2005, at 18:39:21
In reply to Redirect to Admin » KaraS, posted by partlycloudy on July 2, 2005, at 18:34:38
Posted by alexandra_k on July 2, 2005, at 19:06:41
In reply to I am such a dope. I will stop trying now. (nm), posted by partlycloudy on July 2, 2005, at 18:39:21
There is a link to the thread in the first post you sent over here.
Redirects are tricky...
Posted by mike13 on July 3, 2005, at 10:33:52
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks - WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? » KaraS, posted by partlycloudy on July 2, 2005, at 18:36:30
I really don't even violate them alot, it's just ridiculous how careful you have to be not to offend someone, i hate it... this has got to be by far the strictest message board I've ever been on, dr., bob is probbly going to respond to this post with a "please by civil" thing, i had to have broken some rule during this rant
Posted by KaraS on July 3, 2005, at 10:45:52
In reply to Redirect to Admin » KaraS, posted by partlycloudy on July 2, 2005, at 18:34:38
> This will probably get redirected any minute, so
>
>That's really cool that you can do that, PC. I wouldn't have a clue how that's done. But why not redirect the entire thread as it was all a discussion of blocks and civility rules?
Posted by thuso on July 3, 2005, at 13:55:32
In reply to Dr. Bob's rules are way to strict, posted by mike13 on July 3, 2005, at 6:08:37
> I really don't even violate them alot, it's just ridiculous how careful you have to be not to offend someone, i hate it... this has got to be by far the strictest message board I've ever been on, dr., bob is probbly going to respond to this post with a "please by civil" thing, i had to have broken some rule during this rant
I definitely understand your frustrations. There are plenty of times that I'll write something and then erase it because I know exactly what the consenquence will be if I hit the submit button. hahaha!
But you would be surprised to know that there are plenty of other boards out there that are just as strict and some even more so. I'm part of an acoustic guitar forum and they are also quite strict on the type of content they will allow on the board. The guy who started the board decided he wanted it to be family friendly and won't allow certain types of posts or certain subjects to be discussed. In some ways that board is even more strict because the moderators will actually go into the post and edit out the offensive comments or just delete the post all together. They'll warn you about not doing it again and then if you don't stop, you're banned. But I love how there are no flame wars and I feel safe posting almost anything there.
Granted, these types of strict boards do sometimes feel constricting and a little too politically correct, but they've also forced me to think about what I want to say and to choose my words wisely. What I've been learning has even spilled over into my real life conversations with people. I'm much better at thinking before I speak. So in fact, my life as a whole has been improved because of the strictness of some boards online. Who would have thought?!
Posted by partlycloudy on July 3, 2005, at 18:17:13
In reply to Re: Redirect to Admin » partlycloudy, posted by KaraS on July 3, 2005, at 10:45:52
LOL that's the real joke - I was trying to redirect the whole thing (I thought) but I got all muddled instead...
A for effort?
Posted by gardenergirl on July 3, 2005, at 23:49:42
In reply to Re: Redirect to Admin » KaraS, posted by partlycloudy on July 3, 2005, at 18:17:13
I only know how to move one post at at time. I'm not sure if anyone other than Dr. Bob can move entire threads, although I may be wrong.
gg
Posted by Dinah on July 4, 2005, at 12:52:54
In reply to Re: Redirect to Admin, posted by gardenergirl on July 3, 2005, at 23:49:42
Deputies can. Although I'm personally reluctant to do so because it can make people angry, and I'm not altogether sure it's my place. If Dr. Bob conveys to me that he wants me to do it on a more regular basis, I'd feel more comfortable with the notion.
But if someone asks me to move their thread, I can. Or sometimes I move Admin things.
Posted by KaraS on July 4, 2005, at 14:48:05
In reply to Re: Redirect to Admin » KaraS, posted by partlycloudy on July 3, 2005, at 18:17:13
> LOL that's the real joke - I was trying to redirect the whole thing (I thought) but I got all muddled instead...
> A for effort?
Definitely!
Posted by KaraS on July 4, 2005, at 14:48:55
In reply to Re: Redirect to Admin, posted by gardenergirl on July 3, 2005, at 23:49:42
So if you moved the first post in the thread, the other's wouldn't follow?
Posted by gardenergirl on July 4, 2005, at 15:38:49
In reply to Re: Redirect to Admin » gardenergirl, posted by KaraS on July 4, 2005, at 14:48:55
Not with the way I know how to do it, unfortunately.
gg
Posted by KaraS on July 4, 2005, at 20:21:48
In reply to Re: Redirect to Admin » KaraS, posted by gardenergirl on July 4, 2005, at 15:38:49
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 4, 2005, at 21:52:55
In reply to Re: Redirect to Admin » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on July 4, 2005, at 12:52:54
> Deputies can.
And more on that soon...
> Although I'm personally reluctant to do so because it can make people angry, and I'm not altogether sure it's my place. If Dr. Bob conveys to me that he wants me to do it on a more regular basis, I'd feel more comfortable with the notion.
It would be fine to do it more. Every little bit helps!
Bob
Posted by thuso on July 5, 2005, at 21:46:09
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks - WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?, posted by KaraS on July 2, 2005, at 16:08:38
> We don't give those who commit a petty theft the same amount of punishment that we give a murderer but that's exactly what the current system does here.
Actually, there are some instances where that happens. Look at CA and their 3 strikes rule. If a criminal already has 2 strikes against them, and if they get caught just shoplifting then that is their 3rd strike and gets them 50 years to life in prison...for shoplifting! There are a number of cases in CA where that has actually happened.
And if I'm reading his blocked thread correctly, the reason Toph got 6 weeks was because it is a repeat offense and so the time doubled from his last block. I'm still learning about the whole block system, so I could have that wrong. I just wanted to point out that in our criminal justice system there are plenty of instances where the punishment does not fit the crime.
Posted by partlycloudy on July 5, 2005, at 21:46:09
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks - WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? » KaraS, posted by thuso on July 4, 2005, at 0:16:08
Your interpretation of the blocking system here is correct - and it's meant to be an incentive for us to learn from our mistakes, because the consequences are more severe each time the rules are broken.
Posted by KaraS on July 5, 2005, at 21:46:09
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks - WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? » KaraS, posted by thuso on July 4, 2005, at 0:16:08
> > We don't give those who commit a petty theft the same amount of punishment that we give a murderer but that's exactly what the current system does here.
>
> Actually, there are some instances where that happens. Look at CA and their 3 strikes rule. If a criminal already has 2 strikes against them, and if they get caught just shoplifting then that is their 3rd strike and gets them 50 years to life in prison...for shoplifting! There are a number of cases in CA where that has actually happened.
>
> And if I'm reading his blocked thread correctly, the reason Toph got 6 weeks was because it is a repeat offense and so the time doubled from his last block. I'm still learning about the whole block system, so I could have that wrong. I just wanted to point out that in our criminal justice system there are plenty of instances where the punishment does not fit the crime.
>
>Yes, it does sometimes happen in our judicial system (though it's the exception rather than the rule) and IMHO it is wrong then too. Because it happens in real life doesn't make it just. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Posted by KaraS on July 5, 2005, at 21:46:09
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks - WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? » thuso, posted by partlycloudy on July 4, 2005, at 12:33:33
> Your interpretation of the blocking system here is correct - and it's meant to be an incentive for us to learn from our mistakes, because the consequences are more severe each time the rules are broken.
>
And I agree with that to some extent - but when you get a situation where there are very minor offenses or when someone mistakenly breaks a rule and they get a very long block, it's just wrong to me. Then I see a situation where someone is viciously calling another person names and intentionally taunting them and they only get one week (despite the fact that they've gotten one a one week block previously), then the system is broken.k
Posted by thuso on July 5, 2005, at 22:34:53
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks - WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?, posted by KaraS on July 5, 2005, at 11:03:49
> Yes, it does sometimes happen in our judicial system (though it's the exception rather than the rule) and IMHO it is wrong then too. Because it happens in real life doesn't make it just. Two wrongs don't make a right.
>Just so you know, I was just pointing out instances where your theory of <we don't give those who commit a petty theft the same amount of punishment that we give a murderer but that's exactly what the current system does here.> is not correct. Nothing more than that. :-)
But the reason I mentioned the whole 3 strikes rule is that the criminals know what will happen to them. On that 3rd strike it’s no shock to them when they get the 50 years to life sentence. The laws are clear. The same goes here. The rules are laid out in advance so you know what to expect. Of course Dr. Bob has more leeway here then the courts do, but if he chooses not to show mercy then that is his prerogative whether we like it or not.
> And I agree with that to some extent - but when you get a situation where there are very minor offenses or when someone mistakenly breaks a rule and they get a very long block, it's just wrong to me. Then I see a situation where someone is viciously calling another person names and intentionally taunting them and they only get one week (despite the fact that they've gotten one a one week block previously), then the system is broken.
>I understand your frustrations with this type of system. I wouldn’t necessarily say the system is broken though. Even though there are set rules and consequences, there also seems to be a lot of wiggle room for the punishment. I obviously don’t have a ton of experience here, but from reading other posts it seems to me that a lot of the decision making regarding punishment relies heavily on a person’s past history on this board. Sorry to use the criminal justice system again as an example, but you’ll see this type of thing happen every day in the courts. Two people committing the same crime can easily get two completely different punishments based on past criminal history. And a person who commits a minor crime can easily receive a longer sentence than someone who commits a worse crime. Most people prefer it that way. Now these are just examples. I am not comparing anyone here to a criminal (just to make that clear). :-P
If I’m misunderstanding anything, please let me know. This is just my interpretation of what has been transpiring on this board the few weeks I’ve been here. I guess I picked the perfect time to join! I get to learn all about the intricacies of the rules and punishment structure right off the bat. I’m still deciding if I should jump for joy or turn around and run away as fast as I can. Or does this just mean I have no excuse if I break any rules???? Hahaha! ;-)
Posted by alexandra_k on July 5, 2005, at 22:39:04
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks - WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? » KaraS, posted by thuso on July 5, 2005, at 22:34:53
Ha! You are a riot :-)
Glad you are here.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2005, at 23:41:04
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks - WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? » KaraS, posted by thuso on July 5, 2005, at 22:34:53
> I guess I picked the perfect time to join! I get to learn all about the intricacies of the rules and punishment structure right off the bat.
Have you considered law school? :-)
Bob
Posted by thuso on July 6, 2005, at 0:13:53
In reply to Re: the perfect time to join, posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2005, at 23:41:04
> > I guess I picked the perfect time to join! I get to learn all about the intricacies of the rules and punishment structure right off the bat.
>
> Have you considered law school? :-)
>
> BobActually, yes. I would love to go to law school, but don't want to practice law. I just don't have the money for it. I've been told by pretty much everyone since I was very young that I was either going to grow up to be a lawyer or a politician. It makes me wonder how much I drove people crazy as a kid (no offense to any lawyer or politician on this board). hahaha!
I'm just a detail person, so learning all the details now is great for me. I love coming right in the middle of all this controversy! :-)
Posted by KaraS on July 6, 2005, at 0:43:24
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks - WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? » KaraS, posted by thuso on July 5, 2005, at 22:34:53
Thuso,
I really don't have the energy or the desire to debate this further. I will just say to you - stick around a year or two and see how you feel about the system. You may feel quite differently - or you may not.
I think this is the best site of its kind on the net. It has helped me more than I can say and I care about it very much. That's why I continue, from my point of view, to fight to make it better.
Anyway, welcome and I hope you enjoy it here as much as I have.
Kara
K
Posted by thuso on July 6, 2005, at 9:25:06
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks - WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? » thuso, posted by KaraS on July 6, 2005, at 0:43:24
> I really don't have the energy or the desire to debate this further. I will just say to you - stick around a year or two and see how you feel about the system. You may feel quite differently - or you may not.
>Surprised as you may be, I never intended this to turn into a debate. One thing to learn quick about me is that if an argument doesn't make sense to me, I'll speak up and give an example of why. I'm just not a big fan of things being generalized in such a broad manner (even though I do this too). There is usually at least one example that will show otherwise. This is just something that I can't help but do. Don't ever take any of it personally or as an attack against you in any way. For some reason, I just have this natural ability to argue and debate even when I don't intend to. You'll probably see this a lot from me. Heck...I did the same thing on another thread below this one dealing with the boycott. The idea didn't make sense to me, so I gave specific examples of why. I'm just a details person who has a hard time seeing the big picture of an argument. Feel free to just ignore those types of posts from me. I won't be hurt. :-)
And don't worry about me, I've learned very quickly what I've gotten myself into here. haha! I've been on other boards just as strict, but with different rules. I'm sure the only time I'll be really pissed off about the system here is when I'm the one being blocked or PBC'ed. ;-)
And thanks for the welcome, but be warned that this type of posting from me will probably be frequent. Feel free to smack me (not literally!) if I seem to take the arguing thing too far. :-P
Posted by crushedout on July 6, 2005, at 14:06:33
In reply to Re: blocked for 6 weeks - WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? » KaraS, posted by thuso on July 4, 2005, at 0:16:08
Good point, although I would hope we would come up with a better system than California's, which has been the subject of almost universal horror and ridicule for being draconian and utterly unfair.
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