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Posted by elanor roosevelt on March 23, 2013, at 15:28:46
listening to Bonnie Raitt today
she just sang the way i feel:Just give me one thing that I can hold on to
To believe in this livin' is just a hard way to go
Went off the ADs 7 weeks ago
had a good almost month
not great
but i was laughing
had enough of a sense of future to put some things in place for going forwardthen, well then it wasn't working
i wouldn't go back on cymbalta bc the cost is so extraordinary (got on the "lily cares" program for free cymbalta for a year but i have been waiting for months for the meds to arrive).my pdoc decided wellbutrin would be a good temp medicine bc he thought i had done well on it before. this is not true. i have never done better than mediocre on wellbutrin but i obeyed bc i was just out of ideas. had a terrible time of it. the word retrieval problems extended to sentence retrieval nightmares. but that was nothing compared with being gripped by fear. now my sick mind took a while to catch on bc i was busy backing up my state of mind with lists that constructed a reality where terror was a sensible reaction.
now i'm in between AD meds (still on lithium, ativan and ambien) and crashing fast.
i've been on meds now for 15 years and have spent so much time constructing stories in my head in order to take the blame for the side effects. this is the nature if the disease i guess.
i have to go forward with some new meds out of desperation rather than faith in results. i hate this.
Posted by Roslynn on March 23, 2013, at 17:02:02
In reply to what the hell is next?, posted by elanor roosevelt on March 23, 2013, at 15:28:46
> listening to Bonnie Raitt today
> she just sang the way i feel:
>
> Just give me one thing that I can hold on to
> To believe in this livin' is just a hard way to go
>
> Went off the ADs 7 weeks ago
> had a good almost month
> not great
> but i was laughing
> had enough of a sense of future to put some things in place for going forward
>
> then, well then it wasn't working
> i wouldn't go back on cymbalta bc the cost is so extraordinary (got on the "lily cares" program for free cymbalta for a year but i have been waiting for months for the meds to arrive).
>
> my pdoc decided wellbutrin would be a good temp medicine bc he thought i had done well on it before. this is not true. i have never done better than mediocre on wellbutrin but i obeyed bc i was just out of ideas. had a terrible time of it. the word retrieval problems extended to sentence retrieval nightmares. but that was nothing compared with being gripped by fear. now my sick mind took a while to catch on bc i was busy backing up my state of mind with lists that constructed a reality where terror was a sensible reaction.
>
> now i'm in between AD meds (still on lithium, ativan and ambien) and crashing fast.
>
> i've been on meds now for 15 years and have spent so much time constructing stories in my head in order to take the blame for the side effects. this is the nature if the disease i guess.
>
> i have to go forward with some new meds out of desperation rather than faith in results. i hate this.Dear Elanor,
I am so sorry you are going through this. I am also between meds. It's awful..
When you mentioned constructing stories in your head do you mean you go through rumination/self-blame? Because I am stuck doing this...just wondered if that's what you meant.
Best,
Roslynn
Posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2013, at 19:20:40
In reply to Re: what the hell is next?, posted by Roslynn on March 23, 2013, at 17:02:02
Eleanor sorry also. So without the ad's it didn't work out? Pdoc out of ideas of what to try? Waiting for the cymbalta? Did it work well? Phillipa
Posted by elanor roosevelt on March 23, 2013, at 21:04:51
In reply to Re: what the hell is next?, posted by Roslynn on March 23, 2013, at 17:02:02
>
> Dear Elanor,
>
> I am so sorry you are going through this. I am also between meds. It's awful..
>
> When you mentioned constructing stories in your head do you mean you go through rumination/self-blame? Because I am stuck doing this...just wondered if that's what you meant.
>
> Best,
> RoslynnYes Roslynn
When I feel utterly worthless it doesn't seem alarming because I can see no worth in myself.
When I feel terror I stack up all the reasons to be fearful. Whether it's the meds or the illness, any negativity is easily proven.
One of my friends tells me "Don't spend so much time alone in your own head. It's a bad neighborhood."
Posted by Phillipa on March 24, 2013, at 11:28:13
In reply to Re: what the hell is next?, posted by elanor roosevelt on March 23, 2013, at 21:04:51
True but don't you work? If so does this bring you out of your self thoughts? Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2013, at 12:43:27
In reply to Re: what the hell is next?, posted by elanor roosevelt on March 23, 2013, at 21:04:51
>
> >
> > Dear Elanor,
> >
> > I am so sorry you are going through this. I am also between meds. It's awful..
> >
> > When you mentioned constructing stories in your head do you mean you go through rumination/self-blame? Because I am stuck doing this...just wondered if that's what you meant.
> >
> > Best,
> > Roslynn
>
> Yes Roslynn
>
> When I feel utterly worthless it doesn't seem alarming because I can see no worth in myself.
>
> When I feel terror I stack up all the reasons to be fearful. Whether it's the meds or the illness, any negativity is easily proven.
>
> One of my friends tells me "Don't spend so much time alone in your own head. It's a bad neighborhood."
>
> e_r,
You wrote,[...feel utterly worthless...I can see no worth in myself...feel terror...what the hell is next...?].
Posted by SLS on March 24, 2013, at 18:28:27
In reply to what the hell is next?, posted by elanor roosevelt on March 23, 2013, at 15:28:46
Generics:
Effexor + nortriptyline?
or
Effexor + Wellbutrin?
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2013, at 20:31:02
In reply to Lou's response- » elanor roosevelt, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2013, at 12:43:27
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Elanor,
> > >
> > > I am so sorry you are going through this. I am also between meds. It's awful..
> > >
> > > When you mentioned constructing stories in your head do you mean you go through rumination/self-blame? Because I am stuck doing this...just wondered if that's what you meant.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Roslynn
> >
> > Yes Roslynn
> >
> > When I feel utterly worthless it doesn't seem alarming because I can see no worth in myself.
> >
> > When I feel terror I stack up all the reasons to be fearful. Whether it's the meds or the illness, any negativity is easily proven.
> >
> > One of my friends tells me "Don't spend so much time alone in your own head. It's a bad neighborhood."
> >
> > e_r,
> You wrote,[...feel utterly worthless...I can see no worth in myself...feel terror...what the hell is next...?].
> What is next? That depends on what road you are going to take from here. There is a broad road of human achievement and a narrow road of divine accomplishment. The road of human achievement is very broad for many there go that way. And those that go that road can find death along the way. And the narrow road leads to life and life more abundantly as revealed to me and few there be that find it.
Now one here posts that you could try combining Effexor with nortriptyline. Both of the drugs can cause death. When you take them together, they do not turn into apple butter. In fact taken together could cause serotonin syndrome that could cause death. And Effexor together with Wellbutrin could cause seizures. All of this on the road of human achievement, a road that can lead to death.
And in your case, taking the dugs that you list, increases your chances of death from the drugs. And if you think that taking more drugs is the road to go on,
>
>
Posted by elanor roosevelt on March 24, 2013, at 22:34:29
In reply to Lou's response-, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2013, at 20:31:02
> > What is next? That depends on what road you are going to take from here. There is a broad road of human achievement and a narrow road of divine accomplishment. The road of human achievement is very broad for many there go that way. And those that go that road can find death along the way. And the narrow road leads to life and life more abundantly as revealed to me and few there be that find it.
> Now one here posts that you could try combining Effexor with nortriptyline. Both of the drugs can cause death. When you take them together, they do not turn into apple butter. In fact taken together could cause serotonin syndrome that could cause death. And Effexor together with Wellbutrin could cause seizures. All of this on the road of human achievement, a road that can lead to death.
> And in your case, taking the dugs that you list, increases your chances of death from the drugs. And if you think that taking more drugs is the road to go on,
lou, for someone who hate meds, i gotta tell you, you're in the wrong place
Posted by elanor roosevelt on March 24, 2013, at 22:37:05
In reply to Re: what the hell is next? » elanor roosevelt, posted by SLS on March 24, 2013, at 18:28:27
Thanks Scott will discuss with the pdoc
Generics:
>
> Effexor + nortriptyline?
>
> or
>
> Effexor + Wellbutrin?
>
>
> - Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 25, 2013, at 6:26:50
In reply to Re: Lou's response-, posted by elanor roosevelt on March 24, 2013, at 22:34:29
>
> > > What is next? That depends on what road you are going to take from here. There is a broad road of human achievement and a narrow road of divine accomplishment. The road of human achievement is very broad for many there go that way. And those that go that road can find death along the way. And the narrow road leads to life and life more abundantly as revealed to me and few there be that find it.
> > Now one here posts that you could try combining Effexor with nortriptyline. Both of the drugs can cause death. When you take them together, they do not turn into apple butter. In fact taken together could cause serotonin syndrome that could cause death. And Effexor together with Wellbutrin could cause seizures. All of this on the road of human achievement, a road that can lead to death.
> > And in your case, taking the dugs that you list, increases your chances of death from the drugs. And if you think that taking more drugs is the road to go on,
> lou, for someone who hate meds, i gotta tell you, you're in the wrong placee_r,
I am here to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions/addictions. This place has the structure that could lead people to their deaths, life-ruining conditions and addictions.
I recently read an article that stated that 91,000 deaths last year have been attributed to psychotropic drugs. I think that some of these deaths could have been prevented if I was allowed to post what is prohibited to me here by Mr Hsiung. Yet today, members can post here to take a combination of drugs that could kill.
I am in the right place, for there are readers that are trying to make a decision as to drug their child or parent or themselves or not, in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor. These drugs are self-evident as to what they could do to a human being as to not only increase the thinking of killing themselves, but to increase the thinking of killing others, even go on a shooting rampage in a theater , school, shopping mall, workplace and murder innocent children. This is the right place to educate people who are deceived into thinking that they have a chemical imbalance and that they have to correct this with taking mind-altering chemicals that can maim and kill and give the taker of the drugs a life-long state of misery from addiction. And what is worse, this place allows members to post statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings, statements that could induce hate that psychologists say causes the very symptoms that people here post about that they have, and has prohibitions to me that prevent me from offering educational material that could expose what if was revealed, could have you know where these drugs came from and for what purpose. That whole era of time is prohibited for me to post here even though the site is for education. How could repression of facts be educational? When someone doesn't want you to know something, how could that be supportive? If someone wants to know the truth about what is happening to you from these drugs,>
>
Posted by herpills on March 25, 2013, at 7:59:54
In reply to Lou's reply- » elanor roosevelt, posted by Lou Pilder on March 25, 2013, at 6:26:50
Lou, you wrote [...And what is worse, this place allows members to post statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings...]
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2013, at 2:02:38
In reply to Re: where is the anti-semitism???????????????????? » Lou Pilder, posted by herpills on March 25, 2013, at 7:59:54
Hi, everyone,
I'd like to redirect posts about anti-semitism to Psycho-Babble Administration. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1041099.html
Thanks,
Bob
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