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Posted by rjlockhart on May 29, 2007, at 1:11:11
I take Prozac Xanax, zyprexa and temazpeam.
alot of people here say about remeron and stuff, my doctor does want to on 2 antidepressants.
How can i work this out.
Posted by Pluto on May 29, 2007, at 5:34:23
In reply to Im getting an inferiority people take better meds, posted by rjlockhart on May 29, 2007, at 1:11:11
I have used Remeron and found it quite sedating. Why should you use it? You already are on at least three sedating meds. (Xanax, Zyprexa and Temazepam)
I didn't like the way I felt on Remeron. I was groggy, sedated all the time but worst of all, it didn't do anything to quell anxiety at all. It just made me tired, still anxious.
Posted by Phillipa on May 29, 2007, at 10:44:12
In reply to Re: Im getting an inferiority people take better meds » rjlockhart, posted by Pluto on May 29, 2007, at 5:34:23
Matt that is your doc's job to figure out not yours let him do his job. Love Phillipa
Posted by Racer on May 29, 2007, at 13:45:13
In reply to Im getting an inferiority people take better meds, posted by rjlockhart on May 29, 2007, at 1:11:11
Matt, think about this: "better meds" means what, exactly? That they're newer? Cost more? Have better advertising?
Or that they work better *for you?*
Are the meds you're taking helping? Have you given them an adequate trial, at an adequate dose?
Prozac works for me, so why would I change it? Sure, there are newer, shinier drugs -- but it works for me. Therefore, it is a "better med" FOR ME.
I hope this helps.
Posted by rjlockhart on May 29, 2007, at 20:06:26
In reply to Re: Im getting an inferiority people take better m » rjlockhart, posted by Racer on May 29, 2007, at 13:45:13
No i just dont know what would really help me, i mean there are some people here who take meds that help them.
Prozac 30mg
Zyprexa 2.5
Xanax 6mg - PRN
Temazepam - if needed at night.I think Wellbutrin would help much, but i cant argue with my doctor.
Also my mother, i dont want to get into this horror story again about she wont let me go to the doctor, she cancels appointments i make, the only thing right now is to move out.
But right now im in a situation that prevents me from doing this, which causes this strain on me.
I dont know why i asked this question because i already know the awnser to it, i cant do it until i move out. She goes into the appoinments with me, even my general doctor (yes please let me in)
My mother has told my doctor which helped me about panic attacks which he would not at all prescribe Xanax to me, she told him directly what happens and why the Klonopin isnt working, he said fine, "if it would help him, then thats up to you" he said " fine alprazolam 2mg X 3 daily."
Because i was on 6mg of Klonopin and he said something about you have to adjust the dose.
I also had problems with de ja vu and stuff. My mom in a way helped, but she does not want me on any stimulant at all. Bipoler reasons..............
Even thought i object and say they do not cause reactions, but she has seen me manic. And i would say someof it is from the stimulant.
I just dont know, i cant convinice her to go to the doctor, she controls everything, my files, and stuff.
The awnser you would give me is "move out"
My other family does not want to me on any medication, which i would proably go to a mental hostpial.
I just need to take time and see where this goes.
Thanks.
Matt
Posted by Racer on May 30, 2007, at 22:03:41
In reply to Re: Im getting an inferiority people take better m, posted by rjlockhart on May 29, 2007, at 20:06:26
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> The awnser you would give me is "move out"
>That's not at all what I would say, Matt. (Please -- I'm sensitive about people thinking they can speak for me. 'K?)
If you're interested in what I have to say, it's a little more complicated than that -- and it's much simpler.
Wouldn't life be great if ... Well, if life were great? My life would be very different -- if it weren't the same. That sort of thinking does nothing good for me, and I don't know that it does much good for others I know, either. I'm fully in favor of finding partial solutions in the situation AS IT IS, rather than trying to find The Perfect Solution. Generally, the perfect solution is something which is not feasible. All that happens to me at that point, is I start to get depressed about my life, my situation, etc.
When I find a practical and practicable solution which fits my situation, though, I start to feel empowered. That's the sort of solution I'd suggest for you. One that is current possible, considering your current situation.
So, your current situation is that you live with your mother, and she goes to your doctors appointments with you, and you don't think you're on the correct meds for you. Does that about sum it up? Let's see what options there might be for you, right?
You can't move out, right now, so you can't change the first one. Let's take a look at the other two.
Your mother goes to your doctors appointments with you. That's something you can choose to do something about. You've mentioned that your mother is opposed to you taking stimulants, because you have a history of -- well, let's say a history of enjoying them a bit much, right? How about telling her, in front of the doctor, that you want to have your privacy in talking to the doctor? If necessary, maybe the three of you can agree that you won't be walking out with a prescription for stimulants, but that you don't feel comfortable discussing some of your issues with her there. That's reasonable, it's likely to result in a much better therapeutic alliance with your doctor, and by law the doctor has to respect your wishes regarding privacy. If you say she has to leave, he really does have to shoo her out of the room.
If he doesn't, I guess I'd recommend asking why not? Asking if HIPAA doesn't apply? You're over 18 -- medical privacy is your right.
And regardless of whether or not your mother goes into the room with you, maybe you could discuss with your doctor what you're still having trouble with? Walking in with a plan, maybe even a list -- "Gee, Doc, I've been having trouble with feeling hopeless, trouble making decisions, trouble slowing my thoughts so that they're coherent" or whatever it is -- might be very helpful for you. Asking him specific questions -- "why do you think Prozac is the best choice for me? Do you think a more sedating AD might be more helpful, considering my anxiety issues?" Questions, generally, are the best way to learn answers, right? ;-)
Matt, when I go into a doctor's office, I often take in a little notebook, with all my questions and concerns on it. Sometimes, if it's a big deal for me, I have an actual typed outline! That way, I don't forget something important, I don't mistake what I'm asking about, I don't get sidetracked by tangents, etc. What I'm suggesting to you above is based on experience, and talking to other people who have done the same thing. It really helps.
As for your mother, remind me: are you in therapy? What sort of therapy is it? (CBT? Psychodynamic? General supportive?) Is there a chance at having your mother come in for a session so that you can discuss some of these issues with her? Maybe find a way to a mutually satisfactory solution?
I'm betting, by the way, that there are ways that your mother could be approached with better results. The sense I've gotten from you here, over time, is that both of you have gotten into a habit of knocking heads -- and that if either one of you could break the cycle, you could find solutions.
Good luck.
Posted by rjlockhart on June 2, 2007, at 2:26:20
In reply to Nope, that's not what I'd say..., posted by Racer on May 30, 2007, at 22:03:41
racer,
thank you this long post.
I read it its 2:00am in morning.
Racer, listen can i get some thing straight, not in a rude manner, but stimulants (dextroamphetamine) i was on nearly 10 years, it helped me get things together, i mean i am so disorganized i dont know to, i cant stay on one task, i mean i wished i could tell you how many things it helped me with, with out it know life is so miserable. I did yes enjoy the buzz it brought, but that's not the main reason that im saying that it benefits me because it helped me very much with meetings, class, homework, O-R-G-A-N-I-Z-I-N-G i mean today i am just saying "prove your self wrong" and say i can do it with out with out anyhting to help me focus (anything). Then i disappoint myself.
I have a very, i mean im not a doctor, but im telling you i have bad ADHD - Bipoler conditions, the ADHD is really what needs to treated.
But racer i have learned throught adaptation to deal with out stimulants how to socialize, live life, when i first got off them cold turkey that was a time of misery, pure misery. I was disabled,
Prozac actually improves my symtoms of not being miserable, or seeing life through a distorted view, it almost some times promotes "life euphoria". It has helped me thought this, and Xanax.
Also i dont really want to say how many times my mom has dropped the f bomb when she is mad.
I became fast witted living with an arguementive home.
I would really have to put up a big fight with her, same with my stepdad, she has to be control. But at the same time my mother has a touchy side, she cares, she doesnt understand, i mean its like talking to a brick wall or a nazi when argueing, there is no convicing.
Thats the reason right now.
I gotta go my cat just really stunk up the house.
Matt
Posted by Racer on June 2, 2007, at 20:33:11
In reply to Re: Nope, that's not what I'd say..., posted by rjlockhart on June 2, 2007, at 2:26:20
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> Racer, listen can i get some thing straight, not in a rude manner, but stimulants (dextroamphetamine) i was on nearly 10 years, it helped me get things together, i mean i am so disorganized i dont know to, i cant stay on one task, i mean i wished i could tell you how many things it helped me with, with out it know life is so miserable. I did yes enjoy the buzz it brought, but that's not the main reason that im saying that it benefits me because it helped me very much with meetings, class, homework, O-R-G-A-N-I-Z-I-N-G i mean today i am just saying "prove your self wrong" and say i can do it with out with out anyhting to help me focus (anything). Then i disappoint myself.
>Matt, this is the sort of thing that I was trying to talk to you about: you write as though the only thing that would help you was Dexedrine, but that you can't get Dexedrine, and so... If you think about it that way, it must be pretty hopeless, huh?
What I was trying to suggest in my post, was that you might be able to find some options that are possible. If getting Dexedrine is impossible, why not explore what is possible?
You're welcome for the last post, Matt. I do wish I could be helpful to you, but I don't know that I'm communicating with you very well.
Posted by rjlockhart on June 3, 2007, at 1:03:26
In reply to Re: Nope, that's not what I'd say... » rjlockhart, posted by Racer on June 2, 2007, at 20:33:11
Racer,
Listen im not at all trying to confuse you at all, its me maybe thats not reading what your trying to say maybe. I have trouble reading articles in collage, i dont get the point, thats why i feel i need something to help, Wellbutrin, Strattera, Provigil, Dexedrine, anything that will improve my cognitive thinkning.
Sometimes when i read a long post, i will have to go back and read it because i forgot what someone was trying to tell me, or inform me. That is why sometimes why people dont respond to my posts.
I have anxiety alot, (by the way i just got pulled over for not having my seat belt on and the officer thought i was on speed because i had an anxiety attack, i told him i take Xanax and showed him, i was disordanized i didnt know to, i was so confused, he let me go but with a seat belt ticket) I get anxiety when im on the spot, and people wonder whats wrong with me.
Let me go back and read the post, OH when i had 12 hour training for Vector marketing, OMG !!! I could not, i smoked so many ciggarettes on my breaks, i couldnt handle the trillions of inforamtion about statistics and sales that they presented, every one said "im glad i took a double dose of my adderall" i was jealous because i did it with nothing. I was like WHAT page, WHAT? what where? where are we?! god that was horrible day, anything to help me focus, that was the time i needed it the most. I forgot some of what they said and i had to call my boss who got mad at me for not paying attention in meetings.
Dexedrine is impossible at this point, so there are other options, Wellbutrin, Strattera, or Provigil (which i doubt since my mother doesnt allow any stimulants)
And like i said im living under her house hold.
I cant and i am tired with fighting with her. Just let it be like it is right now.
So please read this and try to understand it.
Thanks
Matt
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