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Posted by Racer on November 3, 2006, at 1:36:59
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself » FrequentFryer, posted by sunnydays on November 2, 2006, at 21:39:03
Sunnydays is right -- we're not going to answer you, and Dr Bob would step in if anyone tried to.
What I will tell you is that there is hope. There is more hope than you're seeing right now -- which is the nature of the Black Beast. If you are feeling this bad, there are a lot of people here who can discuss your meds choices, but you need to get help in real life, in real time. No one here wants to see you get hurt.
Please call your local crisis line, or go to your local emergency room. You really and truly do not have to feel this bad.
Good luck to you.
Posted by yxibow on November 3, 2006, at 2:21:15
In reply to Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 2, 2006, at 21:28:40
> Im 23 have no money, no car, no friends, no where to live my parents don't wanna know me and have pretty much kicked me out, Iv'e had major depression, and Social anxiety for the last ten years, Iv'e tried every anti depressant there is and none of them work, even @ max dose.
>
> I might be able to get acces to a shotgun, or I could jump in front of a bus, I dont like that idea to much though cos Its posible Ill bounce of it and not hit the tyres... I wanna go out with no pain.
> I can get access to 25mg of Alprazolam (xanax), 200mg's of clonazapam (klonopin) and a bottle of Bourbon & I should pas out comfortably & not wake up
Not going to answer to your plans as noted. There are crisis hotlines in most civilized places and I am judging by your spelling that you are in England. There surely should be some. If you're this far in your thoughts, go to a hospital now, unless you can control them through a hotline. This is not a forum for discussing offing oneself, and this isn't a moral issue. Its about life, and the wonderousness that it is, regardless of the depth of ones soul that they think hath fallen. You will find it again.And there will be a combination of something that will work, eventually. Meanwhile your top priority is ensuring your safety, which is presumably why you are posting here. Your hospital will work with you from there.
Best wishes and there are plenty of nice people here to converse with by email if you choose to, but first post haste to either a hotline or a hospital or both.
Posted by linkadge on November 3, 2006, at 6:47:41
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself » FrequentFryer, posted by yxibow on November 3, 2006, at 2:21:15
Hey, I'm 23, no friends too. But you can come over any time though. I got sega genesis.
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on November 3, 2006, at 8:27:14
In reply to Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 2, 2006, at 21:28:40
> Im 23 have no money, no car, no friends, no where to live my parents don't wanna know me and have pretty much kicked me out, Iv'e had major depression, and Social anxiety for the last ten years, Iv'e tried every anti depressant there is and none of them work, even @ max dose.
Your main priority is to survive. Survival for anyone in your situation is an extraordinary achievement. To you, things seem permanent. However, your current state of mind is really only temporary. You will get through this bad time and things will seem different. Things will get better.
You will eventually find a treatment and a life that suits you. In the meantime, please take advantage of the resources in your community during this crisis as others have suggested. You have many, many potentially rewarding years ahead of you that can make survival now worthwhile.
There are lots of smart people here who can help evaluate your treatment history and brainstorm future trials. It will probably be necessary to hit multiple therapeutic targets using a combination of treatments. Because the permutations of combinations are so numerous, I doubt you have tried them all.
- Scott
Posted by Squiggles on November 3, 2006, at 8:48:03
In reply to Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 2, 2006, at 21:28:40
> Im 23 have no money, no car, no friends, no where to live my parents don't wanna know me and have pretty much kicked me out, Iv'e had major depression, and Social anxiety for the last ten years, Iv'e tried every anti depressant there is and none of them work, even @ max dose.
>
> I might be able to get acces to a shotgun, or I could jump in front of a bus, I dont like that idea to much though cos Its posible Ill bounce of it and not hit the tyres... I wanna go out with no pain.
> I can get access to 25mg of Alprazolam (xanax), 200mg's of clonazapam (klonopin) and a bottle of Bourbon & I should pas out comfortably & not wake up
>
> Thats what would happen yeah?
That your state has not improved for such
a long time is a testament to the failure
of psychiatric health care. I think it
would drive anyone to the brink of wanting
to kill himself. You have my sympathies.As for killing yourself, it's risky -- you may
fail and just get brain damage instead by
botching it. Also, it is a greater burden on
those you leave behind and may lead them to
suicide.The best thing to do, imho, is to go to
Psychiatric Emergency of a hospital near you --
look it up on the net for a number. Or just
get in a cab, go there, and say I'm suicidal;
my drugs suck; can you help me;I hope things work out.
Take care
Squiggles
Posted by Phillipa on November 3, 2006, at 9:41:10
In reply to Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 2, 2006, at 21:28:40
FF please check in with us unless you are in the ER or hospital as we care. And the advise above is true. Love Phillipa
Posted by ronaldo on November 3, 2006, at 10:54:05
In reply to Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 2, 2006, at 21:28:40
Don't let the Depression win, FF.
You are resourceful and clever
There are people out there who want to help you
Let them help you
With their help you can beat the Depression.
Now is not the time to make irreversible decisions.
...Alan
Posted by mike lynch on November 3, 2006, at 12:35:10
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself, posted by linkadge on November 3, 2006, at 6:47:41
> Hey, I'm 23, no friends too. But you can come over any time though. I got sega genesis.
>
>
> LinkadgeI think this is probably the first I have ever laughed on this site.
I can say to the guy who started this thread. I think about what you think about, and if I do, decide to do something like that, I will only do so when every possible alternative has been exhausted, there are 1000' of meds and treatments out there and you haven't tried them all. ANd finally, if you really think it's time to go, really wait a month and think about it. Just don't do it on impulse.
Posted by tgo on November 3, 2006, at 12:40:13
In reply to Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 2, 2006, at 21:28:40
No,no you definitely don't want to do that!!!
Things may seem bad now, but they always look up. If you can get to a hospital, that's great, then you would have help and shelter.
Try to get on an antidepressant to help your mood some. Sounds like you will prob need a combo of meds to help, like a mood stablilizer plus antidepressant, perhaps an antipsychotic (they help stablize mood)and klonopin.
I think many of us here have no money and no friends. You are not alone. I also have had depression and SA for over ten years.
Perhaps if you explain your situation to your parents, they will help you get the help you need. They may not understand what is going on.
Please let us know that you are ok.
Posted by Squiggles on November 3, 2006, at 12:42:24
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself, posted by mike lynch on November 3, 2006, at 12:35:10
I'm almost ashamed to even ask this, but
because it appears like a "respectable"
study, has anyone tried Saffron? I would
be interested in recommending it for
major depression, and as this is for mild
to moderate depression it may work as an adjunct to imipramine rather than a replacement.Would a dr. recommend a natural product
like this or should it be considered a
waste of money?http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=517724
If anyone has tried it, please let me know how
you found it.tx
Squiggles
Posted by yxibow on November 3, 2006, at 13:51:17
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself » mike lynch, posted by Squiggles on November 3, 2006, at 12:42:24
> I'm almost ashamed to even ask this, but
> because it appears like a "respectable"
> study, has anyone tried Saffron? I would
> be interested in recommending it for
> major depression, and as this is for mild
> to moderate depression it may work as an adjunct to imipramine rather than a replacement.
>
> Would a dr. recommend a natural product
> like this or should it be considered a
> waste of money?
>
> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=517724
>
>
> If anyone has tried it, please let me know how
> you found it.
>
> tx
>
> Squiggles
Considering the country its coming out of.... Of course they used to have flourishing science. But I'm opening a can of worms there.What does alternative medicine using a garlic relative have to do with suicide ?
Posted by Squiggles on November 3, 2006, at 13:55:34
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself » Squiggles, posted by yxibow on November 3, 2006, at 13:51:17
> > I'm almost ashamed to even ask this, but
> > because it appears like a "respectable"
> > study, has anyone tried Saffron? I would
> > be interested in recommending it for
> > major depression, and as this is for mild
> > to moderate depression it may work as an adjunct to imipramine rather than a replacement.
> >
> > Would a dr. recommend a natural product
> > like this or should it be considered a
> > waste of money?
> >
> > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=517724
> >
> >
> > If anyone has tried it, please let me know how
> > you found it.
> >
> > tx
> >
> > Squiggles
>
>
> Considering the country its coming out of.... Of course they used to have flourishing science. But I'm opening a can of worms there.You mean "THE AXIS OF EVIL"?
>
> What does alternative medicine using a garlic relative have to do with suicide ?Uhm.... I don't know? LOL!
best to check it with an expert :-)
Squiggles
Posted by deniseuk190466 on November 3, 2006, at 14:50:52
In reply to Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 2, 2006, at 21:28:40
If I was going to do it, I'd jump of a really really high cliff like Beachy Head. But I'd prefer to just fall into a long, deep sleep heading into oblivion.
Having said that, you say you have tried all of the antidepressant medications but have you tried antipsychotics, ECT, VNS, mood stabilisers, there are so many other options other than just Antidepressants on there own.
Denise
Posted by bassman on November 3, 2006, at 16:49:08
In reply to Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 2, 2006, at 21:28:40
I agree with all the posts about getting help NOW. But I do know a great deal about toxicity of drugs, and I'll tell you this: no matter what drug you take and no matter how much, there is always a significant chance you'll survive and injury yourself physically in the process. There are a whole bunch of reasons for why you might well survive...but wish you hadn't. In short, a suicide attempt may well increase your emotional/physical pain, not decrease it.
Posted by FrequentFryer on November 3, 2006, at 19:07:26
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself, posted by deniseuk190466 on November 3, 2006, at 14:50:52
Ok Thanks Heaps guys...
Ill try & get my sh*t togather.
Posted by Phillipa on November 3, 2006, at 19:12:29
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 3, 2006, at 19:07:26
So glad to hear you're okay. Do you have a plan to feel better? Love Phillipa
Posted by FrequentFryer on November 3, 2006, at 19:19:49
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself » FrequentFryer, posted by Phillipa on November 3, 2006, at 19:12:29
> So glad to hear you're okay. Do you have a plan to feel better? Love Phillipa
I recently merged from effexor to Nortryptaline (tricyclic)... Ive tried everything except a tricyclic.
I quit the Effexor almost immediatly to and got the Nortrip up to 100mg in like 3 days and got no withdrawl from the Effexor.
And I gotta say .. I reckon the Nortriptaline has less side effects then the SSRI/SNRI's/Maoi's & Hetro's.
Ive been on it for almost 3 weeks,, so yeah see how it goes. Every med Ive taken works after about a month for about 2 weeks then poops out.
Posted by FrequentFryer on November 3, 2006, at 19:31:48
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 3, 2006, at 19:19:49
But yeah when your hell depressed for so long and you literally enjoy being asleep rather then awake, suicide dose cross ya mind, well it has for me anyways.
To get better I need a job / house / car / girlfriend.
All of which is pretty hard whith social anxiety / Depression.
To be honest a hot girlfriend would make me the most happiest, Im really good looking, but girls like confidence and personality and sh*t. Looks only help a bit.
But on the flip side men are just as bad all I want is looks, Im very shallow, if a chick was dumb def, mute & depressed but was hot I would love her (aslong as she showed some affection back) but we cant help what we are attracted to.
Posted by FrequentFryer on November 3, 2006, at 19:46:38
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 3, 2006, at 19:31:48
And thats why the world is f*cked up, dumb hot chicks go for an arogant jerk and get pregnant then a child is born that will turn out like there parents (good looking, selfish and arrogant). Where as the nice people who maybe a bit shy / low on confidence but smart and have high morals and don't just think about themselves don't have babies and we are left with a society of arrogant good looking dumb-*ss's.
Life just seems like a crazy *ss unfair game to me.> But yeah when your hell depressed for so long and you literally enjoy being asleep rather then awake, suicide dose cross ya mind, well it has for me anyways.
>
> To get better I need a job / house / car / girlfriend.
> All of which is pretty hard whith social anxiety / Depression.
> To be honest a hot girlfriend would make me the most happiest, Im really good looking, but girls like confidence and personality and sh*t. Looks only help a bit.
> But on the flip side men are just as bad all I want is looks, Im very shallow, if a chick was dumb def, mute & depressed but was hot I would love her (aslong as she showed some affection back) but we cant help what we are attracted to.
Posted by Phillipa on November 3, 2006, at 20:13:10
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 3, 2006, at 19:46:38
FF I would give anything for two weeks of feeling better. And good health. And lack of fear. Those are far more important to me than a car, girlfriend. I think you may need to rethink your priorities and work on getting well first as a well person attracts another well person. Love Phillipa ps you sound so angry are you? I know I am I hate being anxious and depressed
Posted by yxibow on November 3, 2006, at 20:39:11
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself » yxibow, posted by Squiggles on November 3, 2006, at 13:55:34
> > > I'm almost ashamed to even ask this, but
> > > because it appears like a "respectable"
> > > study, has anyone tried Saffron? I would
> > > be interested in recommending it for
> > > major depression, and as this is for mild
> > > to moderate depression it may work as an adjunct to imipramine rather than a replacement.
> > >
> > > Would a dr. recommend a natural product
> > > like this or should it be considered a
> > > waste of money?
> > >
> > > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=517724
> > >
> > >
> > > If anyone has tried it, please let me know how
> > > you found it.
> > >
> > > tx
> > >
> > > Squiggles
> >
> >
> > Considering the country its coming out of.... Of course they used to have flourishing science. But I'm opening a can of worms there.
>
> You mean "THE AXIS OF EVIL"?Quite. I didn't want to get into the political fray. All the intelligentsia who could have escaped before 1979 have, largely to the US or other diaspora. Significant Jewish population in the past, of which we now have a madman there making all sorts of revolting statements. But this is for the political arena...
> >
> > What does alternative medicine using a garlic relative have to do with suicide ?
>
> Uhm.... I don't know? LOL!
>
> best to check it with an expert :-)Indeed. Thank you. :)
>
> Squiggles
>
>
Posted by clint878 on November 4, 2006, at 13:25:11
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 3, 2006, at 19:46:38
You're not alone in your views on women. Take a look at http://www.gamesareforchildren.com/.
By the way, there may be a reason why none of these antidepressants are working. You could be bipolar. A clue is the social anxiety disorder. In one study, 18 patients were successfully treated for social anxiety; however, 14 developed mania as a result of the treatment. There is a high correlation between the two conditions.
Think back to your past and try to remember if there were ever periods of a day or two when you had a lot more energy. For example, you might have learned that a girl had a crush on you in high school, and you had an incredible amount of energy for a day or two and were very excited, until you couldn't get up the guts to approach her. At that point, you probably slid back into depression.
Another clue is that you enjoy being asleep all the time. People with extremely low energy when depressed are more likely to be bipolar.
You might want to ask for a trial of Lamictal, which is a low-risk mood stabilizer with few side effects.
Posted by ed_uk on November 4, 2006, at 14:56:59
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 3, 2006, at 19:46:38
FF,
Nortriptyline has a reputation for *not* pooping out. Best of luck. I really hope it helps you.
Ed
Posted by Declan on November 4, 2006, at 18:18:37
In reply to Re: Best way of killing myself, posted by FrequentFryer on November 3, 2006, at 19:46:38
Life just seems like a crazy *ss unfair game to me.
To him who has shall more be given, but to him who has not, even that which he has shall be taken away.
Posted by Squiggles on November 4, 2006, at 18:25:33
In reply to Parable of the Talents » FrequentFryer, posted by Declan on November 4, 2006, at 18:18:37
"the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."
Thomas Hobbes
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