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Posted by ross c on October 29, 2002, at 21:36:20
chad and the boys i am staying put on Nardil. nothing ever came close to this med. i will get back to 75mgs which was the pristine dose for me. as far as constipation, today i made an appt. with a GI in 2 weeks so he should have some advice or give me something to go to the bathroom. ill ride 60mgs out as long as i can because at 60 i have no side effects. at 75mg anorgasmia rears its ugly head but id rather be happy then you know right now as am single.. i am on a total bran diet and it is fine. see dr. in 2 days and asking about some amantadine.
Nardil is the ultimate med for all 3 phases of anxiety and also depression.
ross
Posted by cosis on October 29, 2002, at 22:41:03
In reply to staying on Nardil. nothings close!, posted by ross c on October 29, 2002, at 21:36:20
Good choice, same thing happens to me when I move to 75mg, 60mg I can orgasm fine.. 75mg & 90mg I can have a minor orgasm which I couldn't do a month ago... I was shooting blanks
Posted by chad_3 on October 29, 2002, at 23:06:21
In reply to staying on Nardil. nothings close!, posted by ross c on October 29, 2002, at 21:36:20
Ross -
I'm glad to hear the news! I am also glad to hear you mention that at the next lowest dose you mentioned no side effects (or low if that's what you meant).
In any case - I am glad you are going to take the risk - which is the risk associated with making gains (which might mean change down the line if you choose). It is worth it - at least for me it was 100%.
Also - if anything you want to write to me at anytime please do just remember me by my natural (untreated state) SOCIALFEAR. That is me, w/o meds, at http://www.SOCIALFEAR.com/
Lastly - wanted to mention - that since there seems to be such a difference in sexual side effects between 60-75 - don't forget you can split pills too - so perhaps somewhere in between there you might prefer.
REmember too Nardil can be augmented with some meds - so lower dose can work out - that is what I have done for the majority of time I have taken Nardil - though I definitely do not regret the 2.5 years I took Nardil high dose - would not take that back if I could.
Best,
Chad
> chad and the boys i am staying put on Nardil. nothing ever came close to this med. i will get back to 75mgs which was the pristine dose for me. as far as constipation, today i made an appt. with a GI in 2 weeks so he should have some advice or give me something to go to the bathroom. ill ride 60mgs out as long as i can because at 60 i have no side effects. at 75mg anorgasmia rears its ugly head but id rather be happy then you know right now as am single.. i am on a total bran diet and it is fine. see dr. in 2 days and asking about some amantadine.
> Nardil is the ultimate med for all 3 phases of anxiety and also depression.
> ross
Posted by McPac on October 30, 2002, at 1:19:51
In reply to Great to hear it works and you're going to it!, posted by chad_3 on October 29, 2002, at 23:06:21
Sure wish that Nardil didn't require that special diet with the blood pressure 'scare'.
Does Nardil, being an MAOI, 'poop out' (hate that expression) like the SSRI's do OR does it continue its efficacy as long as you take it?
Posted by chad_3 on October 30, 2002, at 23:44:32
In reply to Re: Nardil, posted by McPac on October 30, 2002, at 1:19:51
Hi McPac -
I talk on Nardil and the 'scare' on my website a bit - other info on nardil there too - can see at http://www.socialfear.com/
On 'poop out' - I have only very rarely heard of this with an MAOI - and frankly even for any antidepressant except Paxil or the antagonists Remeron and Serzone - I do not hear of this too often. The odds are very very low with an MAOI, IMO.
On the 'scare' - if you are resposible adult and know to avoid other antidepressants and some select meds - ie; you get the basic education and know to follow it - I believe MAOI's are extremely safe. If we are talking about responsible adults treating major problems - I think is basically non-issue IMO. Driving your car 5 miles. Driving to see your Dr. The risk there? Probably way higher than a Nardil risk and taking basic precautions which are quite limited.
Chad
> Sure wish that Nardil didn't require that special diet with the blood pressure 'scare'.
> Does Nardil, being an MAOI, 'poop out' (hate that expression) like the SSRI's do OR does it continue its efficacy as long as you take it?
Posted by ZeeZee on October 31, 2002, at 9:42:10
In reply to staying on Nardil. nothings close!, posted by ross c on October 29, 2002, at 21:36:20
Hi Ross,
I also found Nardil to be a "miracle drug" but switched to Parnate because of the side effects (years ago). Although I can no longer tolerate Parnate (much to my despair) I found whatever side effects I had with it were quite positive - increased libido, increased energy and decreased appetite. Yes I had dry mouth, but no constipation or urinary retention and nothing else. It was just as effective as the Nardil and I stayed on it for 4 years.
Just a thought.
Posted by chad_3 on October 31, 2002, at 13:20:38
In reply to Re: staying on Nardil. nothings close! » ross c, posted by ZeeZee on October 31, 2002, at 9:42:10
Hi Zee Zee -
Out of curiousity relating to my interest in potent SP treatments - was curious as to whether your primary dx is Social Phobia - or what is primary, 2ndary dx?
Not trying to be nosy - just interested in this topic - and btw I am severe SP (untreated) primary and dysthymia secondary (maybe also primary but much less disabling than the SP when these go untreated).
Chad
> Hi Ross,
> I also found Nardil to be a "miracle drug" but switched to Parnate because of the side effects (years ago). Although I can no longer tolerate Parnate (much to my despair) I found whatever side effects I had with it were quite positive - increased libido, increased energy and decreased appetite. Yes I had dry mouth, but no constipation or urinary retention and nothing else. It was just as effective as the Nardil and I stayed on it for 4 years.
> Just a thought.
Posted by ZeeZee on October 31, 2002, at 15:29:49
In reply to Zee Zee - Just curious what is your primary dx?, posted by chad_3 on October 31, 2002, at 13:20:38
My diagnosis is panic disorder and agoraphobia. I do become depressed, but it's a response to how debiltating my disorder can be. It's not endogenous depression. I'm very agoraphobic. I function very well as long as I stay within my invisible boundaries or am accompanied by a support person, I do not experience anxiety or even panic very often as a result. Both the Nardil and Parnate did more in just 3 weeks of starting the regimen than all the counseling I had received over the course of the prior 10 years. It was truly miraculous and I maintained my gains for 4 additional years after stopping the Parnate. It helped to greatly reduce the frequency of the panic, the phobic response and eliminated obsessive ruminations. My life was still restricted to some degree but I was also highly functional. As a result of some recent stressful life changes I am now worse than I was many years before. I responded totally differently to a recent try at Parnate and could not take it. I am considering Marplan, but for now want to see the SJW, and CBT through for awhile.
Sorry for the "too much info." and I'm sure most of the posters have heard all this before as well.
Hope this was helpful.
ZeeZee (previously known as LLL)
Posted by chad_3 on November 1, 2002, at 3:52:22
In reply to Re: Zee Zee - Just curious what is your primary dx? » chad_3, posted by ZeeZee on October 31, 2002, at 15:29:49
ZeeZee -
Thanks for the feedback and info - and good luck in your changes...
Parnate does seem to work well for a lot of things - just like Nardil. IMO Nardil seems mainly preferential for Social Phobia, and maybe also atypical depression.
See ya,
Chad
> My diagnosis is panic disorder and agoraphobia. I do become depressed, but it's a response to how debiltating my disorder can be. It's not endogenous depression. I'm very agoraphobic. I function very well as long as I stay within my invisible boundaries or am accompanied by a support person, I do not experience anxiety or even panic very often as a result. Both the Nardil and Parnate did more in just 3 weeks of starting the regimen than all the counseling I had received over the course of the prior 10 years. It was truly miraculous and I maintained my gains for 4 additional years after stopping the Parnate. It helped to greatly reduce the frequency of the panic, the phobic response and eliminated obsessive ruminations. My life was still restricted to some degree but I was also highly functional. As a result of some recent stressful life changes I am now worse than I was many years before. I responded totally differently to a recent try at Parnate and could not take it. I am considering Marplan, but for now want to see the SJW, and CBT through for awhile.
> Sorry for the "too much info." and I'm sure most of the posters have heard all this before as well.
> Hope this was helpful.
> ZeeZee (previously known as LLL)
Posted by Denise528 on November 1, 2002, at 11:37:20
In reply to Re: Zee Zee - Just curious what is your primary dx?, posted by chad_3 on November 1, 2002, at 3:52:22
Hi,
Another example of an AD not working the second time round after a gap of around 4 years. Why does this happen so often and why istn't this phenoneman looking into more?
Denise
Posted by ZeeZee on November 1, 2002, at 21:25:05
In reply to Another example of an AD not working 2nd timeround, posted by Denise528 on November 1, 2002, at 11:37:20
I'm sorry you must have misundertood. I never got a chance to see if it would work again or not because I abandoned the drug on day 12 as a result of a very weird and intense sedation effect that made me feel like I was dying (whatever that feels like!)plus could not sleep.
I am now almost 50, not just past 40 when I first got on it, am on anti-hypertensives, statins and HRT. I'm sure all of this plays a role in how I react to a medication now as opposed to "then".
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