Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 96304

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meds and suicide

Posted by LiLi80 on March 4, 2002, at 7:22:59

Aren't meds supposed to stop you from being suicidal? I take 300mg effexor 600mg of neurontin and 50mg of zoloft and I still think about killing myself everyday. I have a therapist and I have a psychiatrist. I like them and I can talk to them when nobody else wants to hear about "it"/ my depression anymore. Its not like I dont still plan for the future and stuff. I am applying to grad school, trying to graduate, I even paid my car insurance until november. But I am still suicidal. Does hypnosis work for depression?

 

Re: meds and suicide » LiLi80

Posted by Dinah on March 4, 2002, at 8:13:32

In reply to meds and suicide, posted by LiLi80 on March 4, 2002, at 7:22:59

I am no expert in medications, so please take this suggestion for what it's worth. Have you asked your doctor about Zyprexa. I understand it's pretty good at managing ruminations, including suicidal ruminations.

Again, my knowledge is limited. I just wanted to offer my support.

 

Re: meds and suicide

Posted by NikkiT2 on March 4, 2002, at 9:19:58

In reply to Re: meds and suicide » LiLi80, posted by Dinah on March 4, 2002, at 8:13:32

AD's have never worked to reduce the suicidal thoughts in me... Zyprexa has helped the most, though i still ahve suicidal days and think of it at least once a day... but this is better than the every waking (and alot of sleeping) moments!!

 

Re: meds and suicide » LiLi80

Posted by Penny on March 4, 2002, at 9:30:54

In reply to meds and suicide, posted by LiLi80 on March 4, 2002, at 7:22:59

> Aren't meds supposed to stop you from being suicidal?

You'd think...

>I take 300mg effexor 600mg of neurontin and 50mg of zoloft and I still think about killing myself everyday. I have a therapist and I have a psychiatrist. I like them and I can talk to them when nobody else wants to hear about "it"/ my depression anymore. Its not like I dont still plan for the future and stuff. I am applying to grad school, trying to graduate, I even paid my car insurance until november. But I am still suicidal. Does hypnosis work for depression?

I totally understand where you're coming from. I would talk to your pdoc about the atypical antipsychotics (Zyprexa, Seroquel, Risperdal, etc.). I have taken Seroquel 'for sleep,' with the added benefit of helping with suicidal ideations. And Seroquel doesn't have as high a risk of weight gain, though I can't speak for the others. I tolerated it pretty well...just a thought...

In addition, my pdoc talked to me about how it's possible to have 'too much' medication in your system to the point of where it doesn't really work the way it should. In my case it was Paxil, where my former pdoc had me on 80 mgs with 300 mgs of Wellbutrin SR. My new pdoc said the Paxil, which started working but then stopped (hence the raising of the dosage level) was probably at a dosage above my therapeutic level, so it wasn't doing any more good than if it had been below that level. More is not always better, he said. I don't know the specs on your drugs, how they're metabolized, etc., but that's something else you might talk to your pdoc about, especially considering the Effexor/Zoloft combo. I had a bad reaction to being on too much Paxil, including increased anxiety & irritability, even though it's approved to treat anxiety!

Hope some of this helps....

 

Dopamine Dunce.

Posted by colin wallace on March 4, 2002, at 9:57:46

In reply to Re: meds and suicide » LiLi80, posted by Penny on March 4, 2002, at 9:30:54

Would anyone be able to tell me what symptoms typically imply a dopamine deficient depression?
My depression, at its worst, was marked by very slurred speech, terrible coordination/gait (ataxia)and complete lack of energy/insomnia.I know that these symptoms are often present in major depressions, but the slurring and ataxia over a lifelong history of depression are often cited as precursors to parkinsons (so I'm told).Time to hit the Jumex??!!

 

Re: meds and suicide LilI80

Posted by Denise528 on March 4, 2002, at 12:19:45

In reply to Re: meds and suicide » LiLi80, posted by Penny on March 4, 2002, at 9:30:54

Hi,

Antidepressants such as paxil, zooloft used to help me so much and never gave me suicidal ideas, however, this time round on they have increased whatever suicidal ruminations I had, I think they actually brought them to the fore so they can definately make things worse. As mentioned by the others, Zyprexa has definately helped me, sometimes when I've had a horrendous day I take 10mg and the following day in the afternoon my depression seems to lift, after that I decrease the dose to 5mg. The last time I took Zyprexa was last Thursday night and I have a feeling I'll crash again tomorrow so will need to go back to it.

Although some of the people here don't seem to agree with giving antipsychotic drugs to those who aren't psychotic, it has definately helped me and may be worth you giving it a try, even if its just as a last resort.

Denise

 

Paxil and suicide

Posted by Er on March 4, 2002, at 22:40:55

In reply to Re: meds and suicide LilI80, posted by Denise528 on March 4, 2002, at 12:19:53

This is...quasi-applicable.

I had taken Zoloft about 4 years ago for a year, it did a fair job, I stopped it, no problem. When I was hospitalized for an attempt last april, the doc started me on Paxil. About a month later I was feeling worse...now this is obviously not an "all things being equal" situation because I was in the middle of a major depressive episode beforehand...but there was just something funny about it and I just knew it was the Paxil. It was doing the opposite of everything it was supposed to do....more anxiety, more obsessing, sleep problems, suicidal thoughts. I stopped taking it cold turkey and these thought went away...HOWEVER, I thrice payed my weight in gold's equivalent in absolute physical-nightmarish-horror for about 7 WEEKS! It just would not stop....you know what I'm talking about, the withdrawal symptoms that supposedly "Don't show up in Paxil's research", etc. B.S. That stuff is POISON in my body...My brain felt like it was being stunned with a 9 volt battery all day and all night...sometimes twice a minute, sometimes every 4 seconds. Anytime I rotated my head on the vertical axis, I experienced vertigo. It was worse than any depression. (rambling clipped)

Er

 

Re: meds and suicide » LiLi80

Posted by pedr on March 5, 2002, at 13:45:44

In reply to meds and suicide, posted by LiLi80 on March 4, 2002, at 7:22:59

Hi, A/Ds can help with suicidal thinking/rumination but often they don't, as the other posters to this thread have testified. I was on Trimipramine and would think quite a few times a a week about suicide. Then I started reboxetine [along with the trimipramine] and for 2 weeks, I could not think of anything else but suicide. I knew I would not do it, because of my parents, but it was a very sudden and frightening progression.

Then, after 2 weeks on reboxetine, it subsided as soon as it started. Since I stopped Trimipramine, I rarely think about suicide.

So it looks as though A/Ds made my suicidal thinking worse BUT [and this is something I always find frustrating] I will never know how I would have been without the A/Ds. I could easily have been worse.

As for my message - I guess I'm trying to say that meds don't always help but you will never know how things would have been without them.

Best wishes,
pete.

 

Re: meds and suicide

Posted by Seweryn on June 8, 2002, at 3:12:35

In reply to Re: meds and suicide » LiLi80, posted by Dinah on March 4, 2002, at 8:13:32

Zyprexa really helps the suicide thinking. I am the proof of it and I cannot even think about it though I sometimes instinctly try- the life is dull and so on. But I have no suicidal ruminations. I ve been on Zoloft 100mg and when Zyprexa was added I could lough , had no ruminations what are your expierences??


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