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Posted by Magdalena on March 16, 2004, at 19:20:44
In reply to RE: emily, posted by mystic on March 16, 2004, at 17:23:53
i have to get all 4 of my wisdom teeth out too, and i am procrastinating because i am terrified of it. Im scared of the operation and just as scared of the recovery!!
You will be fine, you sound like a strong girl we are all praying that you will feel calm and good, you can do it.:)sweet dreams.
Magdalena
Posted by mystic on March 16, 2004, at 19:29:13
In reply to RE: emily » mystic, posted by Magdalena on March 16, 2004, at 19:20:44
Thanks Magdelena...It would be worse if I didnt work for the dentist but wish he wouldve just did it right then and there but I didnt ask he just said we will do it tomorrow..with the snow there should be a lot of cancellations..So will let you know what happened tomorrow night...My first session with my new therapist after work tomorrow also..all kinds of good stuff..thank you so much for the post...Mystic
Posted by susielalala on March 16, 2004, at 20:53:29
In reply to Susielalala, posted by Journeyman on March 15, 2004, at 21:49:49
Thank you so much journeyman. You sure do have a way with words. I am really struggling with this anxiety. I finally took a xanax tonight. Thanks to mystic. :) She is the best. I am not a pill person. I actually think I have kind of a pill phobia. Anyway I want to let you know your words are very inspiring to me thank you again Journeyman.
Posted by Journeyman on March 16, 2004, at 21:48:59
In reply to Re: Susielalala, posted by susielalala on March 16, 2004, at 20:53:29
You're very welcome. I'm glad to hear that you're continuing to try things that will perhaps help you to feel better.
Based on a lot of the posts here, I'd say lots of us, maybe even most of us, are not 'pill people,' but the general consensus is that those pills have a way of helping us restore the balance we've lost, and if that's the case, then hand us the foil package and that glass of water.
Good luck with the Xanax. Hope it helps.
And yes, Mystic is a treasure.
Journeyman
Posted by Journeyman on March 16, 2004, at 21:56:19
In reply to Re: Lynne » Journeyman, posted by Magdalena on March 16, 2004, at 0:31:14
Magdalena,
What beautiful words; thanks for sharing them with us. There are certainly a lot of good souls here. It often seems to me that people who post here function as family members would in an ideal world. Such a wonderful resource!
Best of luck with your progress.
Journeyman
Posted by Journeyman on March 16, 2004, at 22:03:35
In reply to Re: Hi everyone (long!), posted by jlynne on March 16, 2004, at 0:01:35
Hi jlynne,
Congratulations on the huge shift that has taken place in dealing with the loss that comes from a close relationship that loses its closeness.
I can't think of a better metaphor for what's happening, then the image of you taking out your own garbage. Yes, you can.
Every day is trash day when you're dealing with depression. May your sanitation engineering continue to go smoothly.
Journeyman
Posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 1:02:51
In reply to jlynne have a blast, posted by Magdalena on March 16, 2004, at 19:05:56
Hi, Magdalena. Had a good time with my son - my older daughter and two grandsons (hers) were there,too. (I have three children, ages 32, 34 &35.) My younger daughter, who lives in the same town as I do, couldn't make it tonight. (I have a story about OCD and my younger daughter that I think Mrs. C will be interested in - you can read my post to her tonight:)
When I talk about dissociation, it is a way of separating myself from unpleasant situations. [This part is hard for me to say, but I will say it and get it over with . . . I was sexually abused by my father when I was very small, and that is when it started]
When I feel threatened emotionally, I sometimes flee to a place inside myself where no one can reach me. I do experience the feelings that you mentioned sometimes - the slow motion, the sinking feeling - but mostly I am in a trance and feel nothing; sometimes I am able to imagine myself in another place, or doing something different.
When I start returning, I sometimes feel disoriented and numb; when that happens, it sometimes takes days to come all the way out of it. But sometimes I just feel angry - when that happens (the anger) it is probably during a time when I am feeling stronger. Sometimes I am just glad that it is over (the unpleasant or threatening situation).
I don't do this nearly as often as I used to, and it is usually on a smaller scale now. I think what you described sounds like it could be a form of dissociation. Can you think of something that triggers it in you? What happens to your anxiety at the time? When did it start happening to you? What do feel during those times? Does it affect your ability to function?
Nothing like putting an anxious person on the spot, eh? Sorry. You don't have to answer - just some things to consider, if you like.
I hope you get some good, restful sleep tonight. Tomorrow can wait for us, yeah? ...jlynne
Posted by Simus on March 17, 2004, at 1:05:15
In reply to P.S. Mystic, posted by jlynne on March 16, 2004, at 17:58:29
Hi to everyone. I hope you are all well.
I have been better. I am going to the pdoc tomorrow - trying to figure out whether to give up on Lexapro or supplement it with something else. I don't want another med change, but I can't keep going on like this. I will let you know how it goes.
Take care and God bless.
Posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 1:43:46
In reply to Re: mrs. c re: OCD, posted by Mrs. C on March 15, 2004, at 20:52:44
Mrs. C - - you said you would like to hear about my OCD; I will begin with an amusing anecdote that probably a lot of us can relate to.
I went to see my son tonite; he lives 45mi away from me. I had gone through the house several times before I left, making sure that I had done everything I needed to do before leaving. I do everything the same [EVERYTHING], every day, before leaving the house. If anything gets interrupted, I risk things like wearing the wrong shoes, leaving my briefcase in the dining room, or forgetting to turn off the coffee pot, or . . . Well, I had to do something different tonight . . .
I had forgotten to check my mail earlier in the day, and I had to load up the car with my son's birthday cake and presents. I didn't know where in my order to fit this part of leaving. Well, I got the car loaded, and checked the mail . . . but it just didn't feel "right". Halfway down the freeway, it occured to me that I had forgotten to turn off the coffee pot. I tried to put it out of my mind, but I started getting sick to my stomach. All I could think of was my house in flames, and would my kitty have sense enough to go out her little door. I ended up calling my daughter and begging her to go to my house and turn it off for me. The sad part is that she knows this part of me so well that she didn't even try to argue with me:) What great kids I have!
Anyway, as you probably already guessed, when I got home tonite, there was a note from my daughter accusing me of being crazy - yes, I had turned off the pot AND unplugged it.
I know this is nowhere near what you go through, but it is an example of one of mine. I thought I would start with one of the lighter ones:) Have a good night:) ...jlynne
Posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 1:50:31
In reply to Hi, posted by Simus on March 17, 2004, at 1:05:15
Simus, I am so sorry you are not doing well. I hope you find the right combination. You have given hope to so many of us, I wish I could give some to you. You made me smile when I felt like crying, and that is special.
You will be in my prayers tonight. God bless you. ...jlynne
Posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 2:00:16
In reply to The Perfect Metaphor » jlynne, posted by Journeyman on March 16, 2004, at 22:03:35
> I can't think of a better metaphor for what's happening, then the image of you taking out your own garbage. Yes, you can.
> > JourneymanJourneyman, thanks for putting things into perspective for me:) I never would have made the connection, but you are so right! Heck, I even ordered a second yard debris bin last week so that I can dispose of more! Is that great, or what?? I love it! ...jlynne
P.S. just curious, because of the time differences - what time zone are you? I am Pacific Standard.
Posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 2:21:42
In reply to Re: So glad I came here!, posted by susielalala on March 16, 2004, at 18:16:29
> Oh by the way I live in Illinois, central time zone
Ali, what a pretty name:)
Gosh, I must be the only one up when I finally get around to posting.
I hope you are doing okay with the anxiety. That is a tough one; we've all done some pretty scary things because of anxiety, as you can probably relate. Do you have someone to use as a life line? Are the meds helping yet?
I have a favorite perfume I wear when I need to mellow out. It is very expensive, but I get those tiny little sample bottles at the local department store for around $8.00. I only wear it when I want to pamper myself, and it especially helps when I need help grabbing some pleasant thoughts on my way to sleep. I put it on my wrists because I rest my head on my hands a lot.
I hope you are sleeping right now (it is after midnight here) and I will ask the sandman to send you a really nice dream:) ...jlynne
Posted by Simus on March 17, 2004, at 6:32:50
In reply to A Story for Mrs. C, posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 1:43:46
Sounds just like me. A mental list for everything. Getting ready for the day, getting ready for bed, etc. And like you said, if something throws off the list...
Glad I am not alone.
God bless.
Posted by mystic on March 17, 2004, at 6:36:34
In reply to Hi, posted by Simus on March 17, 2004, at 1:05:15
Simus...You found us in the new room..yahoooo...will be waiting to hear how you did today at the drs...hope you have a great day!!!!...mystic
Posted by mystic on March 17, 2004, at 6:38:11
In reply to A Story for Mrs. C, posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 1:43:46
jlynne...Hey great story that is tooo funny..have a great book that I think you might be interested in..running late for work but will post it tonight and it had a section that told some stories of people with OCD....Mrs C...where were you yesterday...you were missed hope everything is ok...Everyone have a great day !!!!...Mystic
Posted by Simus on March 17, 2004, at 6:38:27
In reply to Re: Hi » Simus, posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 1:50:31
Thank you. I have to believe it will turn around. It always has. And God is still on post, so it always will.
I am so glad to hear that somehow I have helped someone. That is really what make life worth fighting for to me.
God bless.
Posted by Magdalena on March 17, 2004, at 13:18:10
In reply to Redirected Lexaproers, posted by jlynne on March 13, 2004, at 1:31:16
Hi jlynne,
I can only imagine how hard it must of been for you to open up to us about your past. First off here is a big hug for you *SQUUEZE* you are a beautiful person and i can bet you are a great friend and mother. Your story helped me reflect on my childhood, i didnt have the best childhood nor the worst but when i look back i get a very sad lonely feeling, not sure why...i was a very shy child who spent a lot of time playing alone and when i had other kids around me i put on a 'clown' persona and i think i have been the same eversince.
I have read quite a bit on depression, anxiety symptoms and i am very sure that this started in my childhood although im not sure why.
i had insmonia for 2 years at age 8 and 9, i never wanted to go to school, would get physically ill, they did every test on me but they came out negative, i would cry -A LOT. I worried about my parents not loving me or thinking they might die.
I got made fun of for a few years (like most kids do) through gr 4-7 because i was a small girl and needed braces. I got braces in grade 7 and all that torment was left back there although sometimes it still hurts. but thats something i learned to accept, kids make fun of kids it happens.
(sorry this is long , now im rambling) Then my parents got divorced when i was 12 and my sadness got WORSE then i was soo sad, i wanted to be with both, then i felt anxiety because my dad was alone and i didnt want him to be sad/lonely. (my mom remarried). Thats when i made friends with a 'bad crowd' and got in to drugs and all that to escape my pain and lonelyness...up until i met my ex who then suddenly became my world. i was 16 and we spent the next 5 years together and nothing else mattered. To make this very long story short, once problems started happening is when i started to purposly dissociate where i would mentally invision a place and i would go there. i would practice this often until i felt physically 'gone' then i started experinceing 'out of body experinces' when i was sleeping, ( i could tell you about those later) until one day i paniced when i was inducing one( i learned how) and havnt done it since. When it happens now its anywhere, at work, in a mall, at someones house, and it makes me VERY anxious.
Its a feeling of being 'out of control', disconnected from the physcial, i look in the mirror to make sure i am still here, my arms/hands feel tingly, my vision gets blurred adn it makes me paranoid! It tottaly hard to function, but i try hard to push though by carrying on with what i was doing, and it lessens a bit then goes after a while.
I obsess about similar things, it is my biggest fear to burn down the house, considering that i live at my moms house(with the step dad) and they would kill me. I light candles and burn oil to relax and feel good but sometimes when i go out i obsess on whether or not i blew out the candles, its so bad that everytime i make whoever take me back home to check because i would not rest otherwise. I obsess about something else too that is newer to my obsessions and what i think made me want to get medicated. I obsess about getting sick when i am out, i mean pysically sick to the point where i start to have a stomch ache and it just reinforces the fear. I fear the embaressment of being in that state around my boyfriend or his family or people i just meet. it makes me not attend work meetings and it a lot of other events.
One thing we have in common though is that you put perfume on your wrists cause you sleep on them! I TOTTALY DO THAT TOO!! except not with perfume instead its sented cream. you should try it, its especially for sleep.
its called The Healing garden, zzztheraphy, silk pajamas body lotion. its a little 54 ml bottle and it smells so good, subtle but calming and i use it everynight before i go to bed, i rub it on my wrists and sometimes a tiny bit on my pillow and it helps me sleep so much better.
anyway im sorry to anyone who is reading this that i made it so VERY LONG, its just that jlynne your last post made me introspective and these thoughts just came pouring out.
Thanks for taking the time to write, im so glad you are finding it easier to post here with us. It makes me happy to think that we could have helped you on one of your insecurities.:)
ok thats all for now. Have a great day/night.
(that goes to all of you)Magdalena
Posted by Journeyman on March 17, 2004, at 19:59:29
In reply to Re: The Perfect Metaphor » Journeyman, posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 2:00:16
Hi jlynne,
I'm on EST.
Journeyman
Posted by Journeyman on March 17, 2004, at 20:16:11
In reply to Re: Redirected Lexaproers » jlynne, posted by Magdalena on March 17, 2004, at 13:18:10
Hi Magdalena,
What a terribly sad story, and one whose plot, though with some different details, is in essence much the same for many of us.
I'd like to suggest a couple of books that you might benefit from. I'm reading them both right now and am getting a lot of insight into my best and help for right now.
The first is by Alice Miller and is called, "The Drama of the Gifted Child." It looks at how parents whose own needs aren't met, attempt to get their needs met through their children (the very last place they should be looking). The effects of this dynamic are profound upon the children, who will do virtually anything to garner attention from their parents; esp. if they think the parents might leave. The author is negatively biased against psychotherapy (it has everything to do with her personal history) but it's very likely the book will upon up your eyes to your past.
The second book is "Radical Acceptance" by Tara Brach. If focuses on listening to your thoughts and your physical feelings without judgement - something that most of us here have done little or none of for ourselves (but we're usually experts at noticing everything about other people). I found immediate comfort in applying some of the strategies she suggests. Perhaps you can too.
In either case, I hope you are working through your journey with a professional. The understanding of the bigger picture that a good therapist can provide, as well as the helpful guidance in response to it, is essential for most people dealing with depression.
May you find the comfort you are seeking.
Journeyman
Posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 20:18:38
In reply to jlynne, posted by Journeyman on March 17, 2004, at 19:59:29
> Hi jlynne,
>
> I'm on EST.
>
> JourneymanThanks! It looks as though I'm the only one in the club so far who's out here in the boonies:) I just got off work, and you're probably settling in for the night, huh? Well, have a good evening; I need to grab something to eat:) ...jlynne
Posted by Journeyman on March 17, 2004, at 20:30:16
In reply to Re: jlynne have a blast » Magdalena, posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 1:02:51
Hi jlynne,
I've just read your post in which you bravely acknowledged the cause which has led you through a lifetime of what I would guess has included fear, insecurity, self-doubt, guilt, difficulty trusting people (including yourself), difficulty establishing boundaries, and fear of intimacy...just a guess, based on empirical evidence.
I'm so sorry you have had to deal with all of the fallout that results from such a huge violation of trust and boundaries.
I've just posted something to Magdalena that includes a couple of book titles. Much of what I said to her I would also say to you.
Another title that you might also find very interesting is "Getting the Love You Want".
<<<<<<00>>>>>> (multiple hugs to you both).
My wish for you is that you will continue to steer your way through this emotional garbage (and you may want a third bin for it - as many as it takes) to the point that you can rekindle the light that was nearly extinguished so long ago.
Peace and blessings,
Journeyman
Posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 20:30:18
In reply to Re: Hi » jlynne, posted by Simus on March 17, 2004, at 6:38:27
So glad you found us, Simus. I have had some very long days lately, so I'm afraid I don't have a lot of inspiration to give tonight. When you found me (just over a week ago?) I was at a pretty low point and very nervous about posting. (I'm the one who lost the weight, but kept the skin - remember?) I have since upped my Lex to 15mg and haven't shut up since.
I hope you stay at this site with us. We can talk about just about anything here. We are all anxious (good word, huh?) to hear how you are doing. Please, keep us posted. ...jlynne
Posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 21:03:52
In reply to Re: Redirected Lexaproers » jlynne, posted by Magdalena on March 17, 2004, at 13:18:10
Magdalena, that is so sad! I'm not surprised that you learned to escape like that. Have you told your doctor about these episodes? Are you seeing a therapist? I want so bad to have an answer for you, but I am at a loss.
The only time that I have experienced anything close to what you are describing is way back when I was younger and playing with marijuana. I don't want to offend you, but do you, or have you ever, smoked pot? Please, don't get mad at me for asking - it's just something to consider, because I care. If you don't want to answer, I will understand.
Hey, I needed braces when I was a kid, too! My parents didn't understand, though, so I didn't get them until I was 30yrs old - and I paid for them myself. Yeah, it is tough being a kid and feeling "different". I never brought anyone to my house, because I was ashamed of how we lived. (but that's another story:)
I will look for the "Healing Garden" lotion next time I am in the store - sounds nice. Do you also have lots of pillows in your bed? I do, and I use jersey sheets - they're really soft, like men's undershirts. And I bought some really slinky, feminine nighties. Also, I have a feather bed on top of my regular mattress. I make it a point to consciously be thankful for my wonderful bed every night - it just kind of wraps me up and holds me all night long:^)
Well, I didn't plan to write such a long message. I got on the computer right after I got off work, and I haven't had dinner yet. (It's 7pm here) I'm going to go fix something to eat and watch Jeopardy. Here's a big hug back to you *SQUEEZE* ...jlynne
Posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 22:53:25
In reply to jlynne, posted by Journeyman on March 17, 2004, at 20:30:16
> I've just read your post in which you bravely acknowledged the cause which has led you through a lifetime of what I would guess has included fear, insecurity, self-doubt, guilt, difficulty trusting people (including yourself), difficulty establishing boundaries, and fear of intimacy...just a guess, based on empirical evidence.
>Oh, now, that was just a lucky guess (just kidding:^)
Hey, you know what? I have had a recurring dream about being on a journey (your name made me think of it) - in the dream I know my destination, but I have to go through all sorts of unfamiliar places to get there, and I have not reached my destination yet, in my dreams. I am not anxious or worried in the dream; there are no threats along the way, but I have to climb up and down hills, through forests, in and out of maze-like buildings, etc. It is always a pleasant dream.
Do you feel like you are on a journey, too? Is that why you chose that name? (just curious:^) ...thank you for your input ...jlynne
Posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 22:55:34
In reply to Re: jlynne, posted by jlynne on March 17, 2004, at 22:53:25
I fogot to change the subject (line).
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