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Posted by Elroy on March 12, 2005, at 20:15:55
In reply to RE: Liquid Deprenyl, posted by world citizen on March 12, 2005, at 18:38:04
Hey, I found this posting over at Joe's website (just poking around there some):
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"DLPA (D,L-phenylalaine) 1000-2000mg, 2-3x/day w/ 50mg Vitamin B6 and 1000mg Vitamin C - Take on a completely empty stomach with 8oz of fruit juice (amino acids need simple sugars to get "pushed" where they need to go). Do not eat anything for 45-60 minutes after taking. DLPA works by naturally increasing levels of the neurotransmitters dopamine and phenethylamine and by blocking the breakdown of endorphins and enkaphalins (endogenous opiate-like substances). DLPA is the most potent anti-depressant and anxiolytic (anxiety reducer/reliever) I have ever encoutered. There are virtually no negative side effects, the side effects that there are tend to be positive such as increased sex-drive, decreased appetite and mild weight loss. Try it for 30 days. If it doesn't work then it doesn't work (it will work), but what do you have to lose? I cannot emphasize enough how potent this little amino acid is, it literally changed my life. If I had the resources to give this stuff away for free I would. TRY IT! I will personally slap anyone who says anything negative about DLPA or that it lacks "FDA approval". The FDA has no power to regulate amino-acids, which is what DLPA is. Anyone with any negative comments can go to hell, because all you're doing is discouraging people from trying this incredible substance. If you haven't tried it, keep your Goddamn mouth shut about "it doesn't work" or "if it works it would be prescribed". Anyone who wants more information can email me (joe@dancesafe.org)"
END QUOTEPretty interesting. I note that he recommends a pretty high dose of DLPA without any deprenyl in this particular post.
This particular page is loaded with some good info....
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> Rick, you might consider posing some of these questions to joe@dancesafe.org. He's very knowledgable about Selegelint/DLPA etc. If you do tell him World Citizen sent you.
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Posted by Elroy on March 12, 2005, at 20:35:43
In reply to RE: Liquid Deprenyl » world citizen, posted by Elroy on March 12, 2005, at 20:15:55
Here's an interesting study....
http://www.selegiline.com/pea.html
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Phenylethylamine (PEA), an endogenous neuroamine, increases attention and activity in animals and has been shown to relieve depression in 60% of depressed patients. It has been proposed that PEA deficit may be the cause of a common form of depressive illness. Fourteen patients with major depressive episodes that responded to PEA treatment (10-60 mg orally per day, with 10 mg/day selegiline to prevent rapid PEA destruction) were reexamined 20 to 50 weeks later. The antidepressant response had been maintained in 12 patients. Effective dosage did not change with time. There were no apparent side effects. PEA produces sustained relief of depression in a significant number of patients, including some unresponsive to the standard treatments.
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Where does one obtain PEA (Phenylethylamine) from? Seems to me that going this route would be much more effective than going through the DLPA route where A has to convert to B which converts to C, etc., etc.... No???
I can't find a source for it in checking my normal online suppliers....
Posted by KaraS on March 12, 2005, at 22:11:54
In reply to RE: Segeline (Deprenyl) - gromit, Elroy » KaraS, posted by Elroy on March 12, 2005, at 19:48:34
Sounds like a good plan!
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> When I do give it a try, I'm going to follow the same protocol that I started to this time... 5mg in the morning, and if I think somewhat more is needed theh go with a second 5mg dose at lunch time.
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Posted by world citizen on March 12, 2005, at 22:55:23
In reply to RE: Liquid Deprenyl » world citizen, posted by Elroy on March 12, 2005, at 20:15:55
Hey guys,DLPA,due to the fact that it increases dopamine, is a very effective way to stop smoking. It's the same dosage of vitamin C etc, but repeating it prior to lunch and dinner as well if needed. As you all are probably aware the withdrawal from ciggarettes is mainly due to the fact the they are no longer providing dopamine, in addition to just general detoxing from all the "crap" they put in there.
I don't know if anyone is trying to stop smoking or not, just thought I'd share!
World Citizen
Posted by gromit on March 13, 2005, at 8:28:41
In reply to RE: Liquid Deprenyl » gromit, posted by KaraS on March 12, 2005, at 17:07:35
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050202/msgs/453536.html is this the thread you were thinking of? I asked a simular question then and a couple of other times but nobody replied.
Rick
Posted by gromit on March 13, 2005, at 8:40:47
In reply to RE: Liquid Deprenyl, posted by world citizen on March 12, 2005, at 18:38:04
> Rick, you might consider posing some of these questions to joe@dancesafe.org. He's very knowledgable about Selegelint/DLPA etc. If you do tell him World Citizen sent you.
Thanks I'll poke around there and report back anything I find out.
Posted by gromit on March 13, 2005, at 8:42:57
In reply to RE: Segeline (Deprenyl) and phenyalanine » Elroy, posted by gromit on March 12, 2005, at 16:49:05
> Yes I've been taking DLPA on an empty stomach on and off for awhile, it does seem to give me a slight boost and more so with the deprenyl. I haven't tried the L half by itself, in fact I don't think I've ever seen it in a store, only D-Phenylalanine which I haven't tried either. I can say I prefer the DLPA to tyrosine though.
I guess I switched the two around, I've only seen L-Phenylalanine being sold, anyway still haven't tried it.
Posted by gromit on March 13, 2005, at 8:47:41
In reply to RE: PEA, posted by Elroy on March 12, 2005, at 20:35:43
> Where does one obtain PEA (Phenylethylamine) from? Seems to me that going this route would be much more effective than going through the DLPA route where A has to convert to B which converts to C, etc., etc.... No???
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> I can't find a source for it in checking my normal online suppliers....If I recall this has been discussed here before and the only effective way is by injection. I would try googling instead of relying on my memory though.
Rick
Posted by gromit on March 13, 2005, at 8:54:46
In reply to RE: Liquid Deprenyl, posted by world citizen on March 12, 2005, at 22:55:23
> Hey guys,DLPA,due to the fact that it increases dopamine, is a very effective way to stop smoking. It's the same dosage of vitamin C etc, but repeating it prior to lunch and dinner as well if needed. As you all are probably aware the withdrawal from ciggarettes is mainly due to the fact the they are no longer providing dopamine, in addition to just general detoxing from all the "crap" they put in there.
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> I don't know if anyone is trying to stop smoking or not, just thought I'd share!
> World CitizenI'm trying to quit! I've been smoking like a train since my first dose of Cymbalta a month ago, this is after quitting 5 years ago and having no cravings in almost that long. Quit the Cymbalta once my samples ran out but still smoking |{ So far no help from deprenyl but Welbutrin didn't help either so it may help others.
Rick
Posted by KaraS on March 13, 2005, at 14:15:21
In reply to RE: Liquid Deprenyl, posted by gromit on March 13, 2005, at 8:28:41
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050202/msgs/453536.html is this the thread you were thinking of? I asked a simular question then and a couple of other times but nobody replied.
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>It probably is. I don't remember for certain. If it is the post, then it's comparing the the sublingual form that avoids first pass metabolism with the regular pills. It doesn't directly discuss the liquid vs. the pills. Sorry.
K
Posted by KaraS on March 13, 2005, at 15:56:51
In reply to RE: Liquid Deprenyl » world citizen, posted by Elroy on March 12, 2005, at 20:15:55
I find DLPA confusing. I've always thought of it as more stimulating and therefore, anxiety provoking. That post below was the first time I'd read that phenylalanine could be good for anxiety. I did some more research on this and found examples of both cases. In the information that said it could be good for anxiety, they also cautioned that it's not to be used by those with panic attacks. Maybe that's because it is initially stimulating and could worsen panic disorder - but that after it's taken a while, it can help with anxiety, as is often the case with SSRIs. I was also surprised to see warnings about not taking DLPA if you're already on an antidepressant. That would make sense if the antidepressants are noradrenergic or dopaminergic - but why couldn't you take it with an SSRI?
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> Hey, I found this posting over at Joe's website (just poking around there some):
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> "DLPA (D,L-phenylalaine) 1000-2000mg, 2-3x/day w/ 50mg Vitamin B6 and 1000mg Vitamin C - Take on a completely empty stomach with 8oz of fruit juice (amino acids need simple sugars to get "pushed" where they need to go). Do not eat anything for 45-60 minutes after taking. DLPA works by naturally increasing levels of the neurotransmitters dopamine and phenethylamine and by blocking the breakdown of endorphins and enkaphalins (endogenous opiate-like substances). DLPA is the most potent anti-depressant and anxiolytic (anxiety reducer/reliever) I have ever encoutered. There are virtually no negative side effects, the side effects that there are tend to be positive such as increased sex-drive, decreased appetite and mild weight loss. Try it for 30 days. If it doesn't work then it doesn't work (it will work), but what do you have to lose? I cannot emphasize enough how potent this little amino acid is, it literally changed my life. If I had the resources to give this stuff away for free I would. TRY IT! I will personally slap anyone who says anything negative about DLPA or that it lacks "FDA approval". The FDA has no power to regulate amino-acids, which is what DLPA is. Anyone with any negative comments can go to hell, because all you're doing is discouraging people from trying this incredible substance. If you haven't tried it, keep your Goddamn mouth shut about "it doesn't work" or "if it works it would be prescribed". Anyone who wants more information can email me (joe@dancesafe.org)"
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Posted by world citizen on March 13, 2005, at 18:24:30
In reply to RE: DLPA » Elroy, posted by KaraS on March 13, 2005, at 15:56:51
Kara, why don't you hop on over to joe@dancesafe.org and ask him?
Posted by KaraS on March 13, 2005, at 18:50:06
In reply to RE: DLPA, posted by world citizen on March 13, 2005, at 18:24:30
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Posted by Elroy on March 13, 2005, at 20:08:46
In reply to RE: DLPA » Elroy, posted by KaraS on March 13, 2005, at 15:56:51
Note my other post where I found a posting at that DanceSafe site (and it was also from "Joe" as I recall) that specifically refers to DLPA combination making anxiety worse! So which is it? My response - just in taking it a couple days - was that there was some increase in anxiety for sure. Would it have gone away after a few days, well, don't know. With Xanax and Neurontin controlling the anxiety - and not having that much depression - not sure that messing with the DLPA combo right now is the best thing for me right now.....
But mainly I don't see a definitive answer with this question... does it cause more anxiety or lessen it? Also, I have found that there's a more active form of depression (similar to psychotic depression) that can very easily be confused with anxiety. So maybe people with an anxious form of depression benefitted from DLPA combo while thinking it was helping with an anxiety problem?????
Jeez, does this get complicated.....
> I find DLPA confusing. I've always thought of it as more stimulating and therefore, anxiety provoking. That post below was the first time I'd read that phenylalanine could be good for anxiety. I did some more research on this and found examples of both cases. In the information that said it could be good for anxiety, they also cautioned that it's not to be used by those with panic attacks. Maybe that's because it is initially stimulating and could worsen panic disorder - but that after it's taken a while, it can help with anxiety, as is often the case with SSRIs. I was also surprised to see warnings about not taking DLPA if you're already on an antidepressant. That would make sense if the antidepressants are noradrenergic or dopaminergic - but why couldn't you take it with an SSRI?
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Posted by world citizen on March 13, 2005, at 20:14:16
In reply to RE: DLPA » world citizen, posted by KaraS on March 13, 2005, at 18:50:06
Kara, Joe is a moderator on the official website of Dance Safe. He's used to getting hundreds of emails from strangers on a regular basis. I know him personally, so if you reference "World Citizen" you are likely to get a quicker reply.
joe@dancesafe.orgWorld Citizen
Posted by world citizen on March 13, 2005, at 20:28:03
In reply to RE: DLPA » KaraS, posted by Elroy on March 13, 2005, at 20:08:46
I have an anxiety disorder. I have been taking DLPA since 1999 or so. I also take a benzo for sleep disorder that's associated with Fibromyalgia. I would highly suggest for those of you interested in trying DLPA get the 375 mg caplets from Source Naturals, that way you can cut it up if you feel it is too intense. I forgot to ask Kara if she's currently taking anything for anxiety. If she is not she could get some Valerian Root extract or even better-L-theanine (the Theanine Serene is working very well, as is the TMG). Whatever anxiety that might be produced by taking a "try it dose" of DLPA (maybe cut the 375 mg in half), is probably not as intense as what is currently being produced by it being an "unknown".
Does anybody else out there use prayer and meditation as an "alternative" remedy in addition to the supplements. For me that is at LEAST as effective as all the rest combined!
World Citizen
Posted by gromit on March 13, 2005, at 20:30:48
In reply to RE: DLPA » Elroy, posted by KaraS on March 13, 2005, at 15:56:51
> I find DLPA confusing. I've always thought of it as more stimulating and therefore, anxiety provoking. That post below was the first time I'd read that phenylalanine could be good for anxiety. I did some more research on this and found examples of both cases. In the information that said it could be good for anxiety, they also cautioned that it's not to be used by those with panic attacks. Maybe that's because it is initially stimulating and could worsen panic disorder - but that after it's taken a while, it can help with anxiety, as is often the case with SSRIs. I was also surprised to see warnings about not taking DLPA if you're already on an antidepressant. That would make sense if the antidepressants are noradrenergic or dopaminergic - but why couldn't you take it with an SSRI?
I think that's a good question, when I did feel a little anxious I was still taking Cymbalta and had tripled my DLPA that morning. With Lexapro I was taking higher DLPA doses and I was as apathetic as ever, but I don't find SSRI's activating at all. There are SO many warnings on everything I almost don't pay attention anymore, they might as well just say "don't even think about taking this stuff". I think it defeats the purpose of the labels, but they must cover their butt I guess.
I don't have panic disorder, only social anxiety, which is improved by stimulants strangely enough. I'm still real nervous and sweaty but it prevents my brain from overloading and shutting down. I can speak louder and more clearly, I don't sound like a *complete* imbecile and that boosts my confidence.
I don't know, we are all wired so differently I think the only way to know how something is going to affect you is to give it a try.
Rick
Posted by world citizen on March 13, 2005, at 20:44:02
In reply to RE: DLPA » KaraS, posted by Elroy on March 13, 2005, at 20:08:46
Kara, how much DLPA were you taking? That particular post from Joe at Dance Safe, I believe, was from some time ago. I think "joe's" suggestion for dosage has become more conservative since that was originally made.
W.C.
Posted by KaraS on March 13, 2005, at 21:58:39
In reply to RE: DLPA » KaraS, posted by Elroy on March 13, 2005, at 20:08:46
Yes, definitely complicated and I agree that in your case it's probably best to put this trial off a little while. I'll e-mail joe@dancesafe and see what he has to say. I'll post the response here.
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> Note my other post where I found a posting at that DanceSafe site (and it was also from "Joe" as I recall) that specifically refers to DLPA combination making anxiety worse! So which is it? My response - just in taking it a couple days - was that there was some increase in anxiety for sure. Would it have gone away after a few days, well, don't know. With Xanax and Neurontin controlling the anxiety - and not having that much depression - not sure that messing with the DLPA combo right now is the best thing for me right now.....
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Posted by KaraS on March 13, 2005, at 21:59:51
In reply to RE: DLPA, posted by world citizen on March 13, 2005, at 20:14:16
Thanks World Citizen, I'll do that and I'll post his response here for all of us.
K
> Kara, Joe is a moderator on the official website of Dance Safe. He's used to getting hundreds of emails from strangers on a regular basis. I know him personally, so if you reference "World Citizen" you are likely to get a quicker reply.
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Posted by KaraS on March 13, 2005, at 23:02:30
In reply to RE: DLPA, posted by world citizen on March 13, 2005, at 20:28:03
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> I have an anxiety disorder. I have been taking DLPA since 1999 or so. I also take a benzo for sleep disorder that's associated with Fibromyalgia. I would highly suggest for those of you interested in trying DLPA get the 375 mg caplets from Source Naturals, that way you can cut it up if you feel it is too intense. I forgot to ask Kara if she's currently taking anything for anxiety. If she is not she could get some Valerian Root extract or even better-L-theanine (the Theanine Serene is working very well, as is the TMG). Whatever anxiety that might be produced by taking a "try it dose" of DLPA (maybe cut the 375 mg in half), is probably not as intense as what is currently being produced by it being an "unknown".
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> World Citizen
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I have tried 500 mg. of DLPA a day for a few days back when I was on Effexor. I didn't notice much difference. I think I needed to try it at a higher dose though. I then ordered the Source Naturals pills that you recommended so that I could cut them and increase the dosage gradually. I never got around to that trial because I was withdrawing from Effexor and decided not to add anything else to the mixture. After I had been off of Effexor for about a month or two, the worst anxiety you can imagine hit me. I have been dealing with that ever since. I was completely dysfunctional until I started on a small amount (25 mg.) of doxepin. That's all I'm taking now and I'm trying to figure out where to go from here. I probably won't be trying the DLPA with the doxepin. I'm more interested in DLPA for future reference once I'm certain all of my anxiety is under control and I can mix DLPA with whatever else I'm taking.How much DLPA are you taking now? Does it help with anxiety and depression as well as for pain?
I've never tried l-theanine or valerian. I was following someone here who tried l-theanine and loved it initially. Later on, it ended up making him more depressed so I've been a bit afraid of that one. The smell of valerian has turned me off to it though I hear you can find it without the strong odor. Is valerian good to take during the day for anxiety relief or is it good primarily for sleep purposes?
I've been trying some accupressure (tapping) to help relieve anxiety with some mixed results. I really have to practice it a lot more to judge it definitively. I've been meaning to meditate regularly but haven't been disciplined enough. I've often found that focussing on my breath has made me more anxious and so I've been putting off dealing with it or trying to work through that.
K
Posted by world citizen on March 14, 2005, at 0:19:13
In reply to RE: DLPA » world citizen, posted by KaraS on March 13, 2005, at 23:02:30
Oh Kara!!!!!!!!
No wonder you're having so much trouble with anxiety, you're still in Effexor withdrawal. With that in mind I'd definately reccomend the valerian AND the L-theanine. I've begun taking a combination from Source Natuals called "Theanine Serene". It has GABA (useless), magnesium,theanine and valerian. There is no bad odor at all. I wouldn't wish Benzos on anyone, but have you thought of asking you're MD for some Atavan or something to help you get through this??? Are you getting counselling at all?
As far as the DLPA I take 500 mgs. in the morning with the acompaning supplements. About a half hour later I follow that up with 5 mgs. of Selegiline and 5 mgs. of Vinpocetine. Throughout the day i take Theanine Serene as needed, I'm going through one of the most stressful times in my life, I'm growing like a milk thistle weed!!
I'm going to share with you a prayer that has worked for me, do with it what you will. I feel obligated to share everything I know that has worked for me.
O God! Refresh and gladden my spirit. Purify my heart. Illumine my powers. I lay all my affairs in Thy hand. Thou art my Guide and my Refuge. I will no longer be sorrowful and grieved; I will be a happy and joyful being. O God! I will no longer be full of anxiety, nor will I let trouble harass me. I will not dwell on the unpleasant things of life.
O God! Thou art more friend to me than I am to myself. I dedicate myself to Thee, O Lord
'Abdul-Baha
Posted by gromit on March 14, 2005, at 1:40:23
In reply to RE: DLPA, posted by world citizen on March 14, 2005, at 0:19:13
> I've begun taking a combination from Source Natuals called "Theanine Serene". It has GABA (useless), magnesium,theanine and valerian.
I've read that although straight GABA won't get past the BBB it may raise HGH levels which could have a lot of other benefits, maybe that's just hype though. I took theanine for about a month and didn't notice any increase in depression. I've also taken valerian in the daytime when I had the baby and he was stressing me out, it doesn't make me sleepy anymore but it used to.
Posted by KaraS on March 14, 2005, at 16:12:44
In reply to RE: DLPA, posted by world citizen on March 14, 2005, at 0:19:13
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> Oh Kara!!!!!!!!
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> No wonder you're having so much trouble with anxiety, you're still in Effexor withdrawal. With that in mind I'd definately reccomend the valerian AND the L-theanine. I've begun taking a combination from Source Natuals called "Theanine Serene". It has GABA (useless), magnesium,theanine and valerian. There is no bad odor at all. I wouldn't wish Benzos on anyone, but have you thought of asking you're MD for some Atavan or something to help you get through this??? Are you getting counselling at all?
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> As far as the DLPA I take 500 mgs. in the morning with the acompaning supplements. About a half hour later I follow that up with 5 mgs. of Selegiline and 5 mgs. of Vinpocetine. Throughout the day i take Theanine Serene as needed, I'm going through one of the most stressful times in my life, I'm growing like a milk thistle weed!!
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> I'm going to share with you a prayer that has worked for me, do with it what you will. I feel obligated to share everything I know that has worked for me.
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> O God! Refresh and gladden my spirit. Purify my heart. Illumine my powers. I lay all my affairs in Thy hand. Thou art my Guide and my Refuge. I will no longer be sorrowful and grieved; I will be a happy and joyful being. O God! I will no longer be full of anxiety, nor will I let trouble harass me. I will not dwell on the unpleasant things of life.
> O God! Thou art more friend to me than I am to myself. I dedicate myself to Thee, O Lord
> 'Abdul-Baha
>Hi,
Effexor withdrawal may play into it but I've always had terrible anxiety problems when I'm not on any medication. Combine that with the stresses in my life right now and you have a recipee for disaster.
I have Xanax at home but I've only taken it once. I really don't want to go that route unless it's absolutely necessary. The doxepin has been working well so I thought it wouldn't be necessary. Anyway, I'll look into the theanine serine.
Thanks for the advice and the prayer.
K
Posted by KaraS on March 14, 2005, at 16:14:29
In reply to RE: DLPA, posted by gromit on March 14, 2005, at 1:40:23
> > I've begun taking a combination from Source Natuals called "Theanine Serene". It has GABA (useless), magnesium,theanine and valerian.
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> I've read that although straight GABA won't get past the BBB it may raise HGH levels which could have a lot of other benefits, maybe that's just hype though. I took theanine for about a month and didn't notice any increase in depression. I've also taken valerian in the daytime when I had the baby and he was stressing me out, it doesn't make me sleepy anymore but it used to.
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Does the valerian still relax you? Why did you stop taking the theanine?
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