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Posted by Phil on November 2, 2012, at 12:33:25
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's response-psashizm » Phil, posted by Dinah on October 29, 2012, at 22:54:52
> I hope you feel better soon, Phil. And I hope that when you're feeling a bit better, you'll feel better able to cope here if you wish to be with the folks on Babble. If it's better for you to be away, I certainly understand that too.
>
> Take care, and be very careful with the medications that excite the nervous system. Can you call your pdoc?Uh, the only place online or IRL that I'm fired up like this is psycho babble. I've seen my therapist and two good friends in the last few days. Seemed fine.
But if I'm triggered I get mad. Still, it beats 16 hour naps. At least I'm getting help.
I wanted to see Lou go away and was willing to raise hell till it happened. It won't happen.
I'm OK now. Who cares?
Posted by Dinah on November 2, 2012, at 12:58:11
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's response-psashizm, posted by Phil on November 2, 2012, at 12:33:25
I care.
How do you stand on meds? Have you moved up on the adderall? Is the seroquel helping.
I really wish you could get back to the Vyvanse(??) if it was helping you with the catatonic elements of depression without causing agitation. Medication induced agitation is the most awful feeling.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 4, 2012, at 5:28:48
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's response-psashizm » Dinah, posted by Phil on November 1, 2012, at 15:02:01
> Yes I'm here, darn it. I'm doing OK till something sets me off and then I have to watch my temper. I do fail and I'm sorry for that. I don't mean to be a pompous *ss or hurt anyone.
>
> But again, this poster single handily made a lot of my friends leave here. And it's only gotten worse.
>
> I grew up around alcoholism and everyone's gently urging them to get help but it never works. Pretty soon the conversation turns to listen goddamnit you're killing yourself. My mother was committed.
>
> Many people want him well so he fights back twice as hard. I get it, he sees nothing wrong.
>
> I hope people can focus less on my anger and more to my intent.
>
> But for now, I don't care because it's futile to care. I just become another angry poster.
>
> Long live Lou.Phil,
Please do not post anything about me here that others could construe as blame toward me. There is the concept of scapegoating that could arouse ill-will toward me here by what you posted here about me.
Mr Hsiung is allowing for you to use his forum as a venue to post what could IMHO arouse hatred toward me, which could cause others to be swayed to have hostile feelings toward me. This could then hamper my efforts to save lives here for what you have posted about me could put me in false light. I am prohibited by Mr Hsiung to post here about the historical uses of scapegoating toward Jews and others in a particular historical time period. Please do not ever again post anything about me here that could have the potential to bring that up.
Lou
Posted by Phil on November 4, 2012, at 10:17:26
In reply to Lou's response-skheyp, posted by Lou Pilder on November 4, 2012, at 5:28:48
I'll do my best Lou.
Posted by SLS on November 5, 2012, at 8:09:44
In reply to Re: what is going on here?, posted by Twinleaf on October 31, 2012, at 13:15:38
> I agree completely. There have been several sincere, respectful, strong requests for Bob to support and help our efforts to prevent posters, both new and old, from being traumatized by Lou's posts. I feel very disillusioned by the fact that Bob will ignore something this important, and yet appear briefly to block posters who are much less harmful. I am starting to think that much-needed caring and good executive judgement may simply not be there (as I had always believed).
Let me be the first to be blocked from posting by Dr. Bob. as an inaugural of a second term of moderation. I'll figure out how to go about doing this, but it shouldn't be that difficult.
I think it would be much easier on Dr. Bob for him to restore the sanctioning of uncivil conduct if someone other than Lou Pilder were to be the first to be blocked from posting upon the reestablishment of website moderation.
Lou Pilder is intelligent and very clever. I do not wish for him to be blocked from posting on Psycho-Babble unless his posts are deemed uncivil. Perhaps the rules of civil conduct should be rewritten for the sake of clarity and specificity.
- Scott
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 15:27:34
In reply to Re: defamation, posted by sukarno on October 29, 2012, at 8:17:06
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur
>
> I believe a dictionary is handy at times but I digress.
>
> "The members here are indoctrinated by Mr Hsiung and his deputy.."
>
> I believe there is no evidence of this and that such statements are at the very least counterproductive and could be considered as defamatory. It's regrettable to say the least and I'm truly sorry you feel that way.
>
> Dr. Robert Hsiung, M.D. is a health professional in private psychiatric practice who helps people with mental illnesses to recover as much as possible and thus be able to help themselves. He is a professional of high repute. That is definitely neither the attribute of nor the modus operandi of a cult leader, such as L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones.
>
> I'm sorry you feel the way you do but I humbly ask that you please see things in perspective and seek psychiatric care if need be. This is only a suggestion and I'm sorry if you feel put down as that's not my intention.
>
> Regards,
> SukarnoS,
The members here are indoctrinated by the administration of the site that consists of Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his past deputies. An indoctrination occurs in a group when the leaders, which could be a school or a government or a religious group or a socialist group or fascist gruop or such have the key which is that the group members are told what is or not and to try and trust what the leader and whoever he/she authorizes to carry out his/her wishes denotes as what is conducive to the civic harmony of the community/country/ party/school etc. etc.. In this grouop, the members are told what is civil, they are told what is supportive, and they are told what aspects of a faith is acceptable and what aspects of a faith is or is not to be considered supportive and/or civil. The members get a reward by accomodating the leader's thinking in relation to that he/she is doing what will be good for the community as a whole. The leader here states that he will appreciate members accepting what his thinking does here, so members could get an intrinsic reward by following his thinking, in particular but not limited to, his allowing antisemitic statements to stand, and ecouraging members to "offset" me, whatever that could mean.
Then there is scapegoating being allowed here, which I object beyond (redacted by respondent) that fosters hatred toward me. And The administration can do that by allowing those type of statements to stand so that others could also post the same about me and post lies about me.
But the indoctrination is much more than that. It comes from a psychiatrist that has a higher standard to uphold. And when I came to this forum I saw that Mr Hsiung was a psychiatrist and his TOS would protect me from being a victim of antisemitic violence, be it physical or the posting of emotional/psychological violence here allowed to stand that defames Jews.
Here is a link to where Mr Hsiung even says that it is good that a member believes what has been used in the doctrine of {replacement theology} that has been used to foster hatred toward the Jews to ligitimize harming Jews.
htp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html.
Now the indoctrination is that Mr Hsiung says that it is good. This could lead some members to join the leader in his thinking and if they are in a mind-altered state from drugs that were given to them by a psychiatrist/doctor, there is a growing body of evidence to show that the drug could induce a mind-altered state for the taker of the drug to be compeled to commit murder, even mass-murder. And if it is instilled in their mind by reading that a psychiatrist thinks that it is good that a member believes what could be a statement that essentially says that Jews did not have grace or truth until Jesus came, which defames the Jews, then there is an indoctrination here, and they could target a Jew for murder
I ask readers to see for themselves the tOS here by reading this link at the end where Mr Hsiung states that;...I want to be open to feedback, but if you could also please try to accept what I decide and to trust that I am doing what will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.Thanks...
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
When I came here and read that, I took him at his word.
Then the indoctrination becomes policy. It becomes {established} by the following, it becomes {state-sponsored} :
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/949004.html
Friends, you can think anyway you want. But in a community where there are poeple that can be swayed by the leader to accept his thinking, and he and his deputies control the content by allowing or not allowing, then you have an indoctrination and in this case, the indoctrination is allowing hatred to be posted toward the Jews to the point where it is allowed by Mr Hsiung to post what could be thought that the 1 1/2 million Jewish children murdered by (redacted by respondent) can not have forgiveness or eternal life because they were Jews that have in their Faith a rejection of Christiandom's claim here posted, and the statement also could be thought that those murderers of innocent Jewish children have forgivness and eternal life because they accepted what the post purports as some Cristiandom groups say that their bible says. (does it)? The indoctrination is further infused by that the foundaton of Judaism as revealed to me is prohibitted by Mr Hsiung for me to post. So bothe sides now does not happen here, for it can't because the drafter of the rules has made it so. That is part of an indoctrination, my friends. There is much more to this and the furnace of hate can be stoked wherever these posts that defame dthe Jews that are allowed by Mr Hsiung to stand are read. No indoctrination? May the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob have mercy upon all of you that go along with the hate being allowed to be posted here.
Lou
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 15:46:10
In reply to Lou's reply-hahmahz » sukarno, posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 15:27:34
> > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur
> >
> > I believe a dictionary is handy at times but I digress.
> >
> > "The members here are indoctrinated by Mr Hsiung and his deputy.."
> >
> > I believe there is no evidence of this and that such statements are at the very least counterproductive and could be considered as defamatory. It's regrettable to say the least and I'm truly sorry you feel that way.
> >
> > Dr. Robert Hsiung, M.D. is a health professional in private psychiatric practice who helps people with mental illnesses to recover as much as possible and thus be able to help themselves. He is a professional of high repute. That is definitely neither the attribute of nor the modus operandi of a cult leader, such as L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones.
> >
> > I'm sorry you feel the way you do but I humbly ask that you please see things in perspective and seek psychiatric care if need be. This is only a suggestion and I'm sorry if you feel put down as that's not my intention.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sukarno
>
> S,
> The members here are indoctrinated by the administration of the site that consists of Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his past deputies. An indoctrination occurs in a group when the leaders, which could be a school or a government or a religious group or a socialist group or fascist gruop or such have the key which is that the group members are told what is or not and to try and trust what the leader and whoever he/she authorizes to carry out his/her wishes denotes as what is conducive to the civic harmony of the community/country/ party/school etc. etc.. In this grouop, the members are told what is civil, they are told what is supportive, and they are told what aspects of a faith is acceptable and what aspects of a faith is or is not to be considered supportive and/or civil. The members get a reward by accomodating the leader's thinking in relation to that he/she is doing what will be good for the community as a whole. The leader here states that he will appreciate members accepting what his thinking does here, so members could get an intrinsic reward by following his thinking, in particular but not limited to, his allowing antisemitic statements to stand, and ecouraging members to "offset" me, whatever that could mean.
> Then there is scapegoating being allowed here, which I object beyond (redacted by respondent) that fosters hatred toward me. And The administration can do that by allowing those type of statements to stand so that others could also post the same about me and post lies about me.
> But the indoctrination is much more than that. It comes from a psychiatrist that has a higher standard to uphold. And when I came to this forum I saw that Mr Hsiung was a psychiatrist and his TOS would protect me from being a victim of antisemitic violence, be it physical or the posting of emotional/psychological violence here allowed to stand that defames Jews.
> Here is a link to where Mr Hsiung even says that it is good that a member believes what has been used in the doctrine of {replacement theology} that has been used to foster hatred toward the Jews to ligitimize harming Jews.
> htp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html.
> Now the indoctrination is that Mr Hsiung says that it is good. This could lead some members to join the leader in his thinking and if they are in a mind-altered state from drugs that were given to them by a psychiatrist/doctor, there is a growing body of evidence to show that the drug could induce a mind-altered state for the taker of the drug to be compeled to commit murder, even mass-murder. And if it is instilled in their mind by reading that a psychiatrist thinks that it is good that a member believes what could be a statement that essentially says that Jews did not have grace or truth until Jesus came, which defames the Jews, then there is an indoctrination here, and they could target a Jew for murder
> I ask readers to see for themselves the tOS here by reading this link at the end where Mr Hsiung states that;
>
> ...I want to be open to feedback, but if you could also please try to accept what I decide and to trust that I am doing what will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.Thanks...
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> When I came here and read that, I took him at his word.
> Then the indoctrination becomes policy. It becomes {established} by the following, it becomes {state-sponsored} :
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/949004.html
> Friends, you can think anyway you want. But in a community where there are poeple that can be swayed by the leader to accept his thinking, and he and his deputies control the content by allowing or not allowing, then you have an indoctrination and in this case, the indoctrination is allowing hatred to be posted toward the Jews to the point where it is allowed by Mr Hsiung to post what could be thought that the 1 1/2 million Jewish children murdered by (redacted by respondent) can not have forgiveness or eternal life because they were Jews that have in their Faith a rejection of Christiandom's claim here posted, and the statement also could be thought that those murderers of innocent Jewish children have forgivness and eternal life because they accepted what the post purports as some Cristiandom groups say that their bible says. (does it)? The indoctrination is further infused by that the foundaton of Judaism as revealed to me is prohibitted by Mr Hsiung for me to post. So bothe sides now does not happen here, for it can't because the drafter of the rules has made it so. That is part of an indoctrination, my friends. There is much more to this and the furnace of hate can be stoked wherever these posts that defame dthe Jews that are allowed by Mr Hsiung to stand are read. No indoctrination? May the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob have mercy upon all of you that go along with the hate being allowed to be posted here.
> Loucorrected link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/949004.html
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 15:50:08
In reply to corrected link- Lou's reply-hahmahz, posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 15:46:10
> > > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur
> > >
> > > I believe a dictionary is handy at times but I digress.
> > >
> > > "The members here are indoctrinated by Mr Hsiung and his deputy.."
> > >
> > > I believe there is no evidence of this and that such statements are at the very least counterproductive and could be considered as defamatory. It's regrettable to say the least and I'm truly sorry you feel that way.
> > >
> > > Dr. Robert Hsiung, M.D. is a health professional in private psychiatric practice who helps people with mental illnesses to recover as much as possible and thus be able to help themselves. He is a professional of high repute. That is definitely neither the attribute of nor the modus operandi of a cult leader, such as L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry you feel the way you do but I humbly ask that you please see things in perspective and seek psychiatric care if need be. This is only a suggestion and I'm sorry if you feel put down as that's not my intention.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Sukarno
> >
> > S,
> > The members here are indoctrinated by the administration of the site that consists of Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his past deputies. An indoctrination occurs in a group when the leaders, which could be a school or a government or a religious group or a socialist group or fascist gruop or such have the key which is that the group members are told what is or not and to try and trust what the leader and whoever he/she authorizes to carry out his/her wishes denotes as what is conducive to the civic harmony of the community/country/ party/school etc. etc.. In this grouop, the members are told what is civil, they are told what is supportive, and they are told what aspects of a faith is acceptable and what aspects of a faith is or is not to be considered supportive and/or civil. The members get a reward by accomodating the leader's thinking in relation to that he/she is doing what will be good for the community as a whole. The leader here states that he will appreciate members accepting what his thinking does here, so members could get an intrinsic reward by following his thinking, in particular but not limited to, his allowing antisemitic statements to stand, and ecouraging members to "offset" me, whatever that could mean.
> > Then there is scapegoating being allowed here, which I object beyond (redacted by respondent) that fosters hatred toward me. And The administration can do that by allowing those type of statements to stand so that others could also post the same about me and post lies about me.
> > But the indoctrination is much more than that. It comes from a psychiatrist that has a higher standard to uphold. And when I came to this forum I saw that Mr Hsiung was a psychiatrist and his TOS would protect me from being a victim of antisemitic violence, be it physical or the posting of emotional/psychological violence here allowed to stand that defames Jews.
> > Here is a link to where Mr Hsiung even says that it is good that a member believes what has been used in the doctrine of {replacement theology} that has been used to foster hatred toward the Jews to ligitimize harming Jews.
> > htp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html.
> > Now the indoctrination is that Mr Hsiung says that it is good. This could lead some members to join the leader in his thinking and if they are in a mind-altered state from drugs that were given to them by a psychiatrist/doctor, there is a growing body of evidence to show that the drug could induce a mind-altered state for the taker of the drug to be compeled to commit murder, even mass-murder. And if it is instilled in their mind by reading that a psychiatrist thinks that it is good that a member believes what could be a statement that essentially says that Jews did not have grace or truth until Jesus came, which defames the Jews, then there is an indoctrination here, and they could target a Jew for murder
> > I ask readers to see for themselves the tOS here by reading this link at the end where Mr Hsiung states that;
> >
> > ...I want to be open to feedback, but if you could also please try to accept what I decide and to trust that I am doing what will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.Thanks...
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> >
> > When I came here and read that, I took him at his word.
> > Then the indoctrination becomes policy. It becomes {established} by the following, it becomes {state-sponsored} :
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/949004.html
> > Friends, you can think anyway you want. But in a community where there are poeple that can be swayed by the leader to accept his thinking, and he and his deputies control the content by allowing or not allowing, then you have an indoctrination and in this case, the indoctrination is allowing hatred to be posted toward the Jews to the point where it is allowed by Mr Hsiung to post what could be thought that the 1 1/2 million Jewish children murdered by (redacted by respondent) can not have forgiveness or eternal life because they were Jews that have in their Faith a rejection of Christiandom's claim here posted, and the statement also could be thought that those murderers of innocent Jewish children have forgivness and eternal life because they accepted what the post purports as some Cristiandom groups say that their bible says. (does it)? The indoctrination is further infused by that the foundaton of Judaism as revealed to me is prohibitted by Mr Hsiung for me to post. So bothe sides now does not happen here, for it can't because the drafter of the rules has made it so. That is part of an indoctrination, my friends. There is much more to this and the furnace of hate can be stoked wherever these posts that defame dthe Jews that are allowed by Mr Hsiung to stand are read. No indoctrination? May the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob have mercy upon all of you that go along with the hate being allowed to be posted here.
> > Lou
>
> corrected link:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/949004.htmlcorrected 2end attempt
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html
Posted by 10derheart on November 18, 2012, at 19:30:52
In reply to Lou's reply-hahmahz » sukarno, posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 15:27:34
I object.
I never indoctrinated anyone here, Lou. It's patently absurd.
I am sorry you think this and feel the need to make such uncivil statements.
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 20:00:47
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-hahmahz » Lou PIlder, posted by 10derheart on November 18, 2012, at 19:30:52
> I object.
>
> I never indoctrinated anyone here, Lou. It's patently absurd.
>
> I am sorry you think this and feel the need to make such uncivil statements.10,
An indoctrination occurs when a perspective by one member is prohibited from being posted. An indoctrination could also occure if the one that can control the content does not act on a statement and allows it to stand.
The deputies have functions to sanction a statement and if tey do not, then an indoctrination could be fosterd, for the deputy can act on their own because there are statements by the former deputies that state that an appeal to Mr Hsiung could be made in relation to action of sanctioning by the deputy.
I see the administration here as one entity consisting of Mr Hsiung and his deputy now. Previosly, I see the admin as Mr Hsiung and his former deputies. I consider any antisemitic statement that is allowed to stand when the previous deputies were active to be allowed to stand by all of the deputies at the time the statement was posted. So an indoctrination can occur by inaction by the deputy.
What is more disturbing is that there are years of outstanding requests concerning posts and outstanding notifications that are not acted on by not only Mr Hsiung but also the deputies of the time that the post was notified by me. Now Mr Hsiung saysthat deputies d not have to act, but that does not mean that they can't act if they want to, as far as I know from the TOS here. This does bring up that there could be unbeknownst to me some other reason as to why all he deputies also have allowed my notifications to be outstanding when they have authorization in the TOS to act if they want to.
The prohibitions to me here keep the Jewish perspective as revealed to me from being posted.This fosters an indoctrination here because Mr Hsiung does not allow me to post that here. If deputies do not post an objection to that prohibition, I consider them to be part of the indoctrination. I do remember one deputy that objected to that. Was it you?
Lou
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 19, 2012, at 7:23:02
In reply to Lou's reply-ahntiegwdehyizm » 10derheart, posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 20:00:47
> > I object.
> >
> > I never indoctrinated anyone here, Lou. It's patently absurd.
> >
> > I am sorry you think this and feel the need to make such uncivil statements.
>
> 10,
> An indoctrination occurs when a perspective by one member is prohibited from being posted. An indoctrination could also occure if the one that can control the content does not act on a statement and allows it to stand.
> The deputies have functions to sanction a statement and if tey do not, then an indoctrination could be fosterd, for the deputy can act on their own because there are statements by the former deputies that state that an appeal to Mr Hsiung could be made in relation to action of sanctioning by the deputy.
> I see the administration here as one entity consisting of Mr Hsiung and his deputy now. Previosly, I see the admin as Mr Hsiung and his former deputies. I consider any antisemitic statement that is allowed to stand when the previous deputies were active to be allowed to stand by all of the deputies at the time the statement was posted. So an indoctrination can occur by inaction by the deputy.
> What is more disturbing is that there are years of outstanding requests concerning posts and outstanding notifications that are not acted on by not only Mr Hsiung but also the deputies of the time that the post was notified by me. Now Mr Hsiung saysthat deputies d not have to act, but that does not mean that they can't act if they want to, as far as I know from the TOS here. This does bring up that there could be unbeknownst to me some other reason as to why all he deputies also have allowed my notifications to be outstanding when they have authorization in the TOS to act if they want to.
> The prohibitions to me here keep the Jewish perspective as revealed to me from being posted.This fosters an indoctrination here because Mr Hsiung does not allow me to post that here. If deputies do not post an objection to that prohibition, I consider them to be part of the indoctrination. I do remember one deputy that objected to that. Was it you?
> Lou10,
Now you say that you never indoctrinated anyone here. The indoctrination happens by you having the ability to control the content by either allowing or not allowing what is civil and/or supportive here by the authority authorized to you by Mr Hsiung. I believe that you had a {duty} to act to prevent antisemitic statements from being allowed to stand because by the nature of that they are allowed to stand, others could think that the statement is supportive and civil here. That leads to an indoctrination at least to those easily swayed, or the {less-confident} member that Mr Hsiung says exist here. And could there not be members here so easily indoctrinated that are even less than a {less-confident} member that could think that they are superior to Jews and that Jews could be sterotyped by the following post?
One of the definitions of antisemitism is that a Jew or Jews are stereotyped as being {demonized}. The following post is still allowed to stand fanning the flames of hatred toward me as a Jew here. By the nature that the statement is allowed to stand, members could think that it is civil an supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. And members could think that they have a duty to try and trust Mr Hsiung in that by him allowing the statement to stand, it will be good for this community as a whole. The deputies had the opportunity to sanction the post as far as I know. Were you a deputy at the time this was posted? I am defamed and the defamation is allowed to stand to this day and no deputy has ever (redacted by respondent). Would you be willing to post here why you have not acted on that post if you were a duputy when it was posted? I am not evil. I have come here to save lives and release people from the prison of addiction and depression. That is not evil in any forum. The revelation that I would post if the prohibitions were not made to me here would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me. That is prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me and that is part of the indoctrination here. And by leaving the post in question to stand, that further leads people to belive in that what is in quesation is supportive here and leads people to decrease the respect or regard to me as a Jew here that is allowed to stand as you see it in this link provided here.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041012/msgs/407077.html
Posted by Willful on November 19, 2012, at 14:57:06
In reply to Lou's reply-dheighmhoneyz, posted by Lou PIlder on November 19, 2012, at 7:23:02
Lou
You do not understand the concept of indoctrination. Indoctrination can only occur when the person (s) doing the indoctrination have sufficient status and control over the subject of indoctrination to be either:
1/ so highly respected and so powerful in the entire community that the person belongs to, that the indoctrinator's word or rules are totally in control of the person's thought process
or
2/ in control of all access to other points of view. The indoctrinator has to be able to keep the subject from hearing or being in contact with any other means of learning about ideas or information contrary to that of the indoctrinator.
It is clear that Dr Bob has no such power over any of us. This website is not our only avenue to information or points of view. Dr. Bob is not a god, or political figure in the world. We all live in various communities where we have access to all sorts of information and ways of thinking that are completely opposed to or very different from Dr. Bob's.Therefore he has no way of indoctrinating us with any of his ideas or beliefs, or points of view. We are quite free to ask you for further information outside Babble if we want to, or to research anywhere the ideas that you do present. We can read Jewish doctrine, Jewish history, Jewish theology, your theology, your experiences and all sorts of other things.
Therefore there is no indoctrination going on here. Dr. Bob can influence our behavior here, but but not anywhere else.
So maybe you 'll have to find another explanation for what happens on this website.
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 19, 2012, at 15:16:32
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-indoctrination, posted by Willful on November 19, 2012, at 14:57:06
> Lou
>
> You do not understand the concept of indoctrination. Indoctrination can only occur when the person (s) doing the indoctrination have sufficient status and control over the subject of indoctrination to be either:
>
> 1/ so highly respected and so powerful in the entire community that the person belongs to, that the indoctrinator's word or rules are totally in control of the person's thought process
>
> or
>
> 2/ in control of all access to other points of view. The indoctrinator has to be able to keep the subject from hearing or being in contact with any other means of learning about ideas or information contrary to that of the indoctrinator.
>
>
> It is clear that Dr Bob has no such power over any of us. This website is not our only avenue to information or points of view. Dr. Bob is not a god, or political figure in the world. We all live in various communities where we have access to all sorts of information and ways of thinking that are completely opposed to or very different from Dr. Bob's.
>
> Therefore he has no way of indoctrinating us with any of his ideas or beliefs, or points of view. We are quite free to ask you for further information outside Babble if we want to, or to research anywhere the ideas that you do present. We can read Jewish doctrine, Jewish history, Jewish theology, your theology, your experiences and all sorts of other things.
>
> Therefore there is no indoctrination going on here. Dr. Bob can influence our behavior here, but but not anywhere else.
>
> So maybe you 'll have to find another explanation for what happens on this website.Willful,
You wrote the above.
Now wha may be unbeknownst to you and others could be in the following. I would like interested members to rerad what is in the link as to that Mr Hsiung has posted a prohibition to me that prevents me from posting here where people can find facts. Facts that IMHO copuld mark the difference between one being a live person or a corpe. Notice what is known as {far-reaching}.
Lou
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Posted by Lou PIlder on November 20, 2012, at 11:25:58
In reply to Lou's reply-pharerhegng » Willful, posted by Lou PIlder on November 19, 2012, at 15:16:32
> > Lou
> >
> > You do not understand the concept of indoctrination. Indoctrination can only occur when the person (s) doing the indoctrination have sufficient status and control over the subject of indoctrination to be either:
> >
> > 1/ so highly respected and so powerful in the entire community that the person belongs to, that the indoctrinator's word or rules are totally in control of the person's thought process
> >
> > or
> >
> > 2/ in control of all access to other points of view. The indoctrinator has to be able to keep the subject from hearing or being in contact with any other means of learning about ideas or information contrary to that of the indoctrinator.
> >
> >
> > It is clear that Dr Bob has no such power over any of us. This website is not our only avenue to information or points of view. Dr. Bob is not a god, or political figure in the world. We all live in various communities where we have access to all sorts of information and ways of thinking that are completely opposed to or very different from Dr. Bob's.
> >
> > Therefore he has no way of indoctrinating us with any of his ideas or beliefs, or points of view. We are quite free to ask you for further information outside Babble if we want to, or to research anywhere the ideas that you do present. We can read Jewish doctrine, Jewish history, Jewish theology, your theology, your experiences and all sorts of other things.
> >
> > Therefore there is no indoctrination going on here. Dr. Bob can influence our behavior here, but but not anywhere else.
> >
> > So maybe you 'll have to find another explanation for what happens on this website.
>
> Willful,
> You wrote the above.
> Now wha may be unbeknownst to you and others could be in the following. I would like interested members to rerad what is in the link as to that Mr Hsiung has posted a prohibition to me that prevents me from posting here where people can find facts. Facts that IMHO copuld mark the difference between one being a live person or a corpe. Notice what is known as {far-reaching}.
> Lou
> To see this post,
> A. Go to the search box at the bottom of this page.
> B. Type in:
> [babble,967306]
> if more than one post, look for the 967306 in the colored stripFriends,
The concept of indoctrination starts with one being in a group that is led by one or many that draft rules that the members of the group have to abide by while in the community under the leader's authority over them.
This could be a school or a religious group, or a political party or an internet mental-health support group like we have here or such.
Now in a public school, let's suppose the school leaders place a christmas tree in the main hallway and deny the Jews to place a menorah there. This is an example of an indoctrination being induced into the student body. The students go home and can do what they want about trees and menorahs. But while in the school, they could be swayed to think that the christmas tree is OK while the menorah is not. That thinking could go with some after school in particular that there could be students that are told that the school does what will be good for the school as a whole and to trust the school authorities in that. Then some students can believe that since it is good for the school it is also good outside the school because of the authority of the school leaders
Now here, the rule-drafter controls the content by allowing what can be posted as supportive, or not allowing what the rule-drafter states is not supportive. So the indoctrination happens by members being told what is or is not supportive while in the community. But some could go home like the students and take with them that what is supportive by the psychiatrist, like the school authorities, is also supportive outside the community as like being supoportive outside the school. This is just one type of indoctrination. Joseph Stalin indoctrinated the people by allowing hatred toward the Jews to be carried out in what is known as pogroms. There were poeple that did not participate, but the indoctrination allowed people under Stalin to kill Jews. The people that were indoctrinated were led to believe that they would be doing good for the country as a whole by killing Jews. This is one way how an indotrination is fosterd in a community, by appeasing the leaders hate, for Stalin said that he would appreciate it if his wishes were carried out.
Now here Mr Hsiung posts that he agrees with a member in that I have the title of {Prince of Death}. That could encourage some to go along with Mr Hsiung to "offset" me as Mr Hsiung posts about me here. Now the indoctrination has fuel to encourage others to "offset" me, whatever that could mean. And some could think that "offset" could mean what Mr Hsiung has not intended to mean, but I could be a victim of antisemitc violence by the members thinking something else other that what Mr Hsiung wants the word to mean.
I say to you that an indoctrination is when members are told by the leader what is or is not supportive and when the leader collaborates with members to encourage them to "offset" another member. And when Jews are allowed to be defamed by what is in the post in the link offered that has no sanction attached to it, then the indoctrination against Jews has the fuel to spread the fire of hate. And would you take the responsibility for the death of a Jew that was killed by someone that read the post in the link here and was indoctrinated to hate Jews and you did not rise up to protest the allowing of the post to stand?
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.html
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 20, 2012, at 15:16:18
In reply to corrected link 2end attempt- Lou's reply-hahmahz, posted by Lou PIlder on November 18, 2012, at 15:50:08
> > > > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur
> > > >
> > > > I believe a dictionary is handy at times but I digress.
> > > >
> > > > "The members here are indoctrinated by Mr Hsiung and his deputy.."
> > > >
> > > > I believe there is no evidence of this and that such statements are at the very least counterproductive and could be considered as defamatory. It's regrettable to say the least and I'm truly sorry you feel that way.
> > > >
> > > > Dr. Robert Hsiung, M.D. is a health professional in private psychiatric practice who helps people with mental illnesses to recover as much as possible and thus be able to help themselves. He is a professional of high repute. That is definitely neither the attribute of nor the modus operandi of a cult leader, such as L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry you feel the way you do but I humbly ask that you please see things in perspective and seek psychiatric care if need be. This is only a suggestion and I'm sorry if you feel put down as that's not my intention.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Sukarno
> > >
> > > S,
> > > The members here are indoctrinated by the administration of the site that consists of Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his past deputies. An indoctrination occurs in a group when the leaders, which could be a school or a government or a religious group or a socialist group or fascist gruop or such have the key which is that the group members are told what is or not and to try and trust what the leader and whoever he/she authorizes to carry out his/her wishes denotes as what is conducive to the civic harmony of the community/country/ party/school etc. etc.. In this grouop, the members are told what is civil, they are told what is supportive, and they are told what aspects of a faith is acceptable and what aspects of a faith is or is not to be considered supportive and/or civil. The members get a reward by accomodating the leader's thinking in relation to that he/she is doing what will be good for the community as a whole. The leader here states that he will appreciate members accepting what his thinking does here, so members could get an intrinsic reward by following his thinking, in particular but not limited to, his allowing antisemitic statements to stand, and ecouraging members to "offset" me, whatever that could mean.
> > > Then there is scapegoating being allowed here, which I object beyond (redacted by respondent) that fosters hatred toward me. And The administration can do that by allowing those type of statements to stand so that others could also post the same about me and post lies about me.
> > > But the indoctrination is much more than that. It comes from a psychiatrist that has a higher standard to uphold. And when I came to this forum I saw that Mr Hsiung was a psychiatrist and his TOS would protect me from being a victim of antisemitic violence, be it physical or the posting of emotional/psychological violence here allowed to stand that defames Jews.
> > > Here is a link to where Mr Hsiung even says that it is good that a member believes what has been used in the doctrine of {replacement theology} that has been used to foster hatred toward the Jews to ligitimize harming Jews.
> > > htp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html.
> > > Now the indoctrination is that Mr Hsiung says that it is good. This could lead some members to join the leader in his thinking and if they are in a mind-altered state from drugs that were given to them by a psychiatrist/doctor, there is a growing body of evidence to show that the drug could induce a mind-altered state for the taker of the drug to be compeled to commit murder, even mass-murder. And if it is instilled in their mind by reading that a psychiatrist thinks that it is good that a member believes what could be a statement that essentially says that Jews did not have grace or truth until Jesus came, which defames the Jews, then there is an indoctrination here, and they could target a Jew for murder
> > > I ask readers to see for themselves the tOS here by reading this link at the end where Mr Hsiung states that;
> > >
> > > ...I want to be open to feedback, but if you could also please try to accept what I decide and to trust that I am doing what will be good for this community as a whole, I'd really appreciate it.Thanks...
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> > >
> > > When I came here and read that, I took him at his word.
> > > Then the indoctrination becomes policy. It becomes {established} by the following, it becomes {state-sponsored} :
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/949004.html
> > > Friends, you can think anyway you want. But in a community where there are poeple that can be swayed by the leader to accept his thinking, and he and his deputies control the content by allowing or not allowing, then you have an indoctrination and in this case, the indoctrination is allowing hatred to be posted toward the Jews to the point where it is allowed by Mr Hsiung to post what could be thought that the 1 1/2 million Jewish children murdered by (redacted by respondent) can not have forgiveness or eternal life because they were Jews that have in their Faith a rejection of Christiandom's claim here posted, and the statement also could be thought that those murderers of innocent Jewish children have forgivness and eternal life because they accepted what the post purports as some Cristiandom groups say that their bible says. (does it)? The indoctrination is further infused by that the foundaton of Judaism as revealed to me is prohibitted by Mr Hsiung for me to post. So bothe sides now does not happen here, for it can't because the drafter of the rules has made it so. That is part of an indoctrination, my friends. There is much more to this and the furnace of hate can be stoked wherever these posts that defame dthe Jews that are allowed by Mr Hsiung to stand are read. No indoctrination? May the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob have mercy upon all of you that go along with the hate being allowed to be posted here.
> > > Lou
> >
> > corrected link:
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/949004.html
>
> corrected 2end attempt
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.htmlS,
Now you say there is not an indoctrination here. An indoctrination can happen when the leader of a group will not allow members to know what is fact. The prohibition to the members here is done by repressing another member's efforts to educate and give support to other members by posting what could help others make a more-informed decision as to take mind-altering drugs or not. When the members are intentionally kept from knowing, that is part of the tactics of indoctrination. Here in this case, it is my great conviction that if the prohibition to me here by Mr Hsiung was not posted to me, that lives could be saved, life-ruining conditions could be avoided, addictions could be avoided and the murder of innocent people could be avoided.
Lou
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Posted by Lou PIlder on November 22, 2012, at 16:19:35
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-hahmahz » Lou PIlder, posted by 10derheart on November 18, 2012, at 19:30:52
> I object.
>
> I never indoctrinated anyone here, Lou. It's patently absurd.
>
> I am sorry you think this and feel the need to make such uncivil statements.10,
Statements made here are what they are. And the antisemitic statements that are allowed to stand are considered to be civil here, for Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence and he does not wait to sanction a post because one match could start a forest fire.
Here is a link where Mr Hsiung makes it plainly visible what the position of the administration is concerning support taking precedence. And also, the post states that when one way is the only way to forgiveness and eternal life from God, then the people that have another way are put down. This means that a statement like that could be antisemitic and also anti others. This is the administrative rule here now, and has been
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020627/msgs/6477.htmlNow if you were a deputy at that time or after, I would think that you knew the administrative policy in order to sanction posts that have an antisemitic statement in it.
That leads to:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/949004.htmlWere you a deputy when that were posted?
Now the prohibition to me from Mr Hsiung.
To see this one go to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in: [admin,7968]
Ths is the post where Mr Hsiung prohibits me from posting the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me.
Lou
Posted by Willful on November 23, 2012, at 10:52:40
In reply to Lou's reply-ewknoh » 10derheart, posted by Lou PIlder on November 22, 2012, at 16:19:35
Has it ever occurred to you Lou that you are the only person posting anti-semitic posts any more? That in bringing up these long-forgotten incidents from the past, you are in effect keeping them alive, rather than letting them die an unmourned death?
Maybe if you stopped talking about them, their importance would be null and we could all continue to build a non-antisemitic present and future.
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 23, 2012, at 11:17:35
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ewknoh, posted by Willful on November 23, 2012, at 10:52:40
> Has it ever occurred to you Lou that you are the only person posting anti-semitic posts any more? That in bringing up these long-forgotten incidents from the past, you are in effect keeping them alive, rather than letting them die an unmourned death?
>
> Maybe if you stopped talking about them, their importance would be null and we could all continue to build a non-antisemitic present and future.W,
The antisemitic posts are those that Mr Hsiung agrees could lead a Jew to feel put down. By that definition, antisemitic posts are seen now posted by others . The post with calling me The Prince of Death is an antsemitic post allowed to be considered civil and supportive here, for no sanction by the administration s seen, and support takes preedence in Mr Hsiung's thinking. And he has asked you to try to trusy him in what he does here.
I am not the Prine of Death and I trust the God that I give service and worship to that life takes precedence and that to save lives is supportive in any forum. The antisemitic posts here could be notated like other posts of that nature, but they are not. Those posts can be seen right now, right here in the present in the archives. If there were no archives, you would have a point. Yet today, people can see the posts in question and they could arouse antisemitic feelings as being considered supportive here. You see, people are brought to this site by a search often. And that search could bring up the posts in question so that they are seen in the present.
Do you have any idea how those posts could influence a middle school student to think about Jews when they are allowed to remain outstanding as being seen as supportive here? Do you realize that those posts could be seen by people all over the world that are bent on the destructiuon of Jews? Do you realize that some of the posts in question are also anti-Islamic? And also anti-other faiths and anti-atheistic?
What good for this community could those posts be to remain standing? If you want this to go away, could you post in the threads on the admin board now where I have outstanding requests to Mr Hsiung and then we could have dialog there?
Lou
Posted by Willful on November 23, 2012, at 11:33:28
In reply to Lou's reply-gauxehywehy » Willful, posted by Lou PIlder on November 23, 2012, at 11:17:35
I think you aren't getting my point, Lou.
Posted by Lou PIlder on November 23, 2012, at 11:35:03
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-donutgemap-wan, posted by Willful on November 23, 2012, at 11:33:28
> I think you aren't getting my point, Lou.
then go ahead and post more about your point to make it clearer...
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on November 23, 2012, at 11:57:31
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-donutgemap-wan » Willful, posted by Lou PIlder on November 23, 2012, at 11:35:03
Lou I understand that you feel ostricised by not having your posts answered I did a bit of googling on the history of antisemeticism. Is this how you feel? If so I hurt for you. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on November 24, 2012, at 13:44:37
In reply to Lou's reply-gauxehywehy » Willful, posted by Lou PIlder on November 23, 2012, at 11:17:35
> The antisemitic posts are those that Mr Hsiung agrees could lead a Jew to feel put down.
No. This does not follow from logic.
I am a Jew, and have had others' remarks lead me to feel put down. These remarks have not been antisemitic.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2012, at 16:40:51
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-gauxehywehy » Lou PIlder, posted by SLS on November 24, 2012, at 13:44:37
> > The antisemitic posts are those that Mr Hsiung agrees could lead a Jew to feel put down.
>
> No. This does not follow from logic.
>
> I am a Jew, and have had others' remarks lead me to feel put down. These remarks have not been antisemitic.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote the above. I am unsure as to what you want to mean here. If you could view the posts in the following links, I intend to post more to your post and would like the content in the post read by you.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041218/msgs/439314.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110321/msgs/952241.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2012, at 16:45:59
In reply to Lou's reply-atisemitism defined here » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2012, at 16:40:51
> > > The antisemitic posts are those that Mr Hsiung agrees could lead a Jew to feel put down.
> >
> > No. This does not follow from logic.
> >
> > I am a Jew, and have had others' remarks lead me to feel put down. These remarks have not been antisemitic.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Scott,
> You wrote the above. I am unsure as to what you want to mean here. If you could view the posts in the following links, I intend to post more to your post and would like the content in the post read by you.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041218/msgs/439314.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110321/msgs/952241.html
>correction
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/952241,html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2012, at 16:49:32
In reply to correction- Lou's reply-atisemitism defined here, posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2012, at 16:45:59
> > > > The antisemitic posts are those that Mr Hsiung agrees could lead a Jew to feel put down.
> > >
> > > No. This does not follow from logic.
> > >
> > > I am a Jew, and have had others' remarks lead me to feel put down. These remarks have not been antisemitic.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Scott,
> > You wrote the above. I am unsure as to what you want to mean here. If you could view the posts in the following links, I intend to post more to your post and would like the content in the post read by you.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041218/msgs/439314.html
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110321/msgs/952241.html
> >
>
> correction
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/952241,html
2correction:http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/952241.html
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