Posted by Lou PIlder on November 20, 2012, at 11:25:58
In reply to Lou's reply-pharerhegng » Willful, posted by Lou PIlder on November 19, 2012, at 15:16:32
> > Lou
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> > You do not understand the concept of indoctrination. Indoctrination can only occur when the person (s) doing the indoctrination have sufficient status and control over the subject of indoctrination to be either:
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> > 1/ so highly respected and so powerful in the entire community that the person belongs to, that the indoctrinator's word or rules are totally in control of the person's thought process
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> > or
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> > 2/ in control of all access to other points of view. The indoctrinator has to be able to keep the subject from hearing or being in contact with any other means of learning about ideas or information contrary to that of the indoctrinator.
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> > It is clear that Dr Bob has no such power over any of us. This website is not our only avenue to information or points of view. Dr. Bob is not a god, or political figure in the world. We all live in various communities where we have access to all sorts of information and ways of thinking that are completely opposed to or very different from Dr. Bob's.
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> > Therefore he has no way of indoctrinating us with any of his ideas or beliefs, or points of view. We are quite free to ask you for further information outside Babble if we want to, or to research anywhere the ideas that you do present. We can read Jewish doctrine, Jewish history, Jewish theology, your theology, your experiences and all sorts of other things.
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> > Therefore there is no indoctrination going on here. Dr. Bob can influence our behavior here, but but not anywhere else.
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> > So maybe you 'll have to find another explanation for what happens on this website.
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> Willful,
> You wrote the above.
> Now wha may be unbeknownst to you and others could be in the following. I would like interested members to rerad what is in the link as to that Mr Hsiung has posted a prohibition to me that prevents me from posting here where people can find facts. Facts that IMHO copuld mark the difference between one being a live person or a corpe. Notice what is known as {far-reaching}.
> Lou
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The concept of indoctrination starts with one being in a group that is led by one or many that draft rules that the members of the group have to abide by while in the community under the leader's authority over them.
This could be a school or a religious group, or a political party or an internet mental-health support group like we have here or such.
Now in a public school, let's suppose the school leaders place a christmas tree in the main hallway and deny the Jews to place a menorah there. This is an example of an indoctrination being induced into the student body. The students go home and can do what they want about trees and menorahs. But while in the school, they could be swayed to think that the christmas tree is OK while the menorah is not. That thinking could go with some after school in particular that there could be students that are told that the school does what will be good for the school as a whole and to trust the school authorities in that. Then some students can believe that since it is good for the school it is also good outside the school because of the authority of the school leaders
Now here, the rule-drafter controls the content by allowing what can be posted as supportive, or not allowing what the rule-drafter states is not supportive. So the indoctrination happens by members being told what is or is not supportive while in the community. But some could go home like the students and take with them that what is supportive by the psychiatrist, like the school authorities, is also supportive outside the community as like being supoportive outside the school. This is just one type of indoctrination. Joseph Stalin indoctrinated the people by allowing hatred toward the Jews to be carried out in what is known as pogroms. There were poeple that did not participate, but the indoctrination allowed people under Stalin to kill Jews. The people that were indoctrinated were led to believe that they would be doing good for the country as a whole by killing Jews. This is one way how an indotrination is fosterd in a community, by appeasing the leaders hate, for Stalin said that he would appreciate it if his wishes were carried out.
Now here Mr Hsiung posts that he agrees with a member in that I have the title of {Prince of Death}. That could encourage some to go along with Mr Hsiung to "offset" me as Mr Hsiung posts about me here. Now the indoctrination has fuel to encourage others to "offset" me, whatever that could mean. And some could think that "offset" could mean what Mr Hsiung has not intended to mean, but I could be a victim of antisemitc violence by the members thinking something else other that what Mr Hsiung wants the word to mean.
I say to you that an indoctrination is when members are told by the leader what is or is not supportive and when the leader collaborates with members to encourage them to "offset" another member. And when Jews are allowed to be defamed by what is in the post in the link offered that has no sanction attached to it, then the indoctrination against Jews has the fuel to spread the fire of hate. And would you take the responsibility for the death of a Jew that was killed by someone that read the post in the link here and was indoctrinated to hate Jews and you did not rise up to protest the allowing of the post to stand?
Lou
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