Posted by JLx on October 12, 2003, at 9:44:32
In reply to Re: female hormones » JLx, posted by tealady on October 5, 2003, at 5:47:28
> Lee has got it wrong IMO. (I should quote you some of Larrian's comments but I'd better not...just say she reckon Lee has got his biochemistry all wrong)
I suppose that's why he's NOT in the mainstream! ;) His approach must work for some women though, the question I'd have then is why, if the underlying theory is wrong.
> OK, this is MY understanding of how it works briefly...
> Estradiol begins to rise day 5ish, and starts to surge day 10 inducing ovulation around day 12-14
> If your estrogen levels got high enough so you did ovulate you produce progesterone to thicken the lining for receiving the ovum. This is the luteal phase...the problem part. ..the PMS etc part is when the progesterone rises/falls...the progesterone can cause swings in estrogen..larrian takes this a bit further by suggesting the swings in estradiol can alter thyroid binding globulin..which alters tsh..which altrs sensitivity to salt..which causes bloating..and if we don't have adequatre serotonin thru good diet(like we consume too many junk carbs), we get moody, depressed .... It's probably a heap more complicated <g>One thing that's more complicated is being in the uncertain time of peri/menopause. I'll be glad when it's just done! I've been in PERImenopause now for about 7 years.
> using low dose estrogen sends signals back to the adrenals to take a rest.....
> "Hormones and the Mind" is a book I did buy which explains how Dr Klaiber, a psychoneuroendocrinologist used hormone therapy
Was this a good book?
> Progesterone cream probably if used long term..like over one year probably make you fat as it increases testosterone/cortisol,
That's just the opposite of what the estrogen-dominant folks say, though I lean towards agreeing with you that John R. Lee and co. have it wrong.
> yep, cortisol will make you crave carbohydrates
I really don't see why it would ever be advised then, as usually people are trying to LOWER their cortisol levels. At least I am, especially after reading "The Cortisol Connection".
> I'm not sure about Boron, let me know how it goes....it has only just come popular over here. I didn't realise it had a hormonal impact like that.
I've been taking it for a while, 3 mg once or more per day. It increases estradiol apparently. I read that here http://www.y2khealthanddetox.com/Osteoporosis.htm and here: http://www.ithyroid.com/boron.htm
> Also Estradiol is not fat soluble so it can't be absorbed thru skin in a cream, only two other estrogens,(estrone, estriol) are but Larrian says " you don't want them because they increase fat and cause prolonged excitation of the estradiol receptors".
I see on the thyroid site discussion link you posted that some woman are putting estriol creme on their faces and hands for cosmetic reasons. Have you tried that?
> "Homocysteine does NOT exist in Australia" <g>Hey, lucky you! ;)
>You know, that is why I'm never sure of "amino acid chelates"..I have no idea WHICH amino acid, and I have not been able to find out. I have sensitivities to MSG, so I guess glumate is out for me too? Magnesium glutamate does sound bad...I wonder if that is what you could get if you bought magnesium amino acid chelate?My understanding is that it's too excititory to the brain -- at least for certain depressives and I'm apparently one of them. If they won't say what it's chelated WITH, I'd think they're not a very good company as that's something we should know. Taurine, btw, is calming to glutamate's excitatory-ness, so if you eat something, feel weird, it might be worth a try. It worked for me after I had suicidal ideation after trying L-glutamine.
> Hope this helps,
Thanks for the detailed response and links/info in this and the following post. :) I think I'll give natural progesterone a pass for a while. I am actually feeling pretty good these days, on tyrosine and the rest of the handfuls of stuff I'm taking. (I'm going to start a thread on DHEA.)
JL
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