Posted by Lou Pilder on September 1, 2014, at 9:30:56
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2014, at 22:46:46
> > The Golden Rule in Judaism involves judgment, but it involves how judgment is administrated by the Torah.
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> It's the judgment of rabbis that determines how the Torah is enforced?
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> > Now if you are referring to using your judgment in applying your rules based on making a judgment as to if statements do or do not put down or accuse or are not sensitive to the feelings of others or that could lead one to feel that their faith is being put down or jumps to conclusion or is defamatory or racist ect., that is different from choosing which members you will enforce your rules upon.
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> Whether I sanction a post or not doesn't depend on the poster. I don't just sanction the posts of posters I don't like and not sanction the posts of posters I do like. It's not personal. Or at least I try to keep my feelings about posters from entering into it.
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> > I am going to assume that you are saying that you use your judgment to determine if what was written by her or anyone else constitutes being not in accordance with your rules.
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> True, and I'm also using my judgment to determine what I think will be best for this community as a whole. I may judge a post not be in accordance with my rules and at the same time just sanctioning it not to be best for this community as a whole.
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> > Those that are ignorant of Judaism could conceivably accept your reply to me here to believe that the equal protection of the laws and justice defined in the Torah can just be turned a blind eye to by you here in the enforcement of your rules .
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> True, a subset of readers could conceivably believe that.
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> > If one was to accept your version of the golden Rule, then a judge could not sentence someone to be executed because he/she could invoke your Golden Rule and say that they will not sentence the guilty part to be executed because thy would not want to be executed. The difference is that the judge has an obligation to enforce the law, and to enforce it equally.
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> Judges sometimes have latitude. In some cases sentences are mandatory. Both sides have their supporters.
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> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...Judges sometimes have latitude. In some cases sentences are mandatory..].
Let there be no misunderstanding here. The latitude by the judge could be in the degree of the sentence, but the judge could not say that what the person is being sentenced for was not against the rules, for if that was the case there would not be any sentence, for the person would be not guilty.
Here you are the judge. But you are allowing what is against your rules to be seen as not against your rules. You could sanction the statement and still give latitude in your sentences by you not sanctioning the person, but by posting your tagline to please be civil to the statement that is against your rule.
The statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and put down and/or accuse Jews and lead a Jew to feel that their faith is being put down, and also defame me, because there is no sanction to those, a subset of readers could think that it is not against your rules to post anti-Semitic hate and defamation toward me here. They have a rational basis to think that on the grounds that your TOS states not to post anything that could lead one to feel put down or accused or to be disrespectful to another's faith, and more. In particular, but not limited to, that you state that support takes precedence. That means what it means. In what you have written here, what takes precedence is what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole. In allowing what is not supportive to be posted without sanction, a subset of readers could think that you have lied when you posted that support takes precedence. They have a rational basis to think that because by you leaving anti-Semitic statements unsanctioned here, and defamation against me here unsanctioned, which a subset of readers could think is grossly unsupportive in a diverse ethnic population here, that support does not take precedence since those readers could think that hate is not supportive. Those readers could also think that by you allowing the anti-Semitic hate to remain unsanctioned even after I have requested that those statements either be deleted or that you attach your tagline to please be civil to them, that *malice* is driving you to continue to allow the hatred toward the Jews that is in those post to be seen as to be good for this community as a whole according to your thinking. They could have a rational basis to think that because you had posted that if a statement is not sanctioned it is not against your rules. So they could think that it is not against your rules to post hatred toward the Jews and defamation against me since there are unsanctioned statements that are anti-Semitic and that defame me. You do say just recently that you "revise" that statement but I do not see any revision, just a post by you that essentially says that you are taking that back because there could be statements that put down Jews unsanctioned that are uncivil but you are going to allow them anyway to be seen as could be civil. Your post is {after the fact} which could mean to a subset of jurists to constitute malice toward me on the grounds that for years you have evaded my requests to sanction the anti-Semitic hate and defamation against me and that there are years of outstanding notifications from me to not only you, but to up to 6 deputies that could sanction those statements if they wanted to.
The defamation against the Jews that you are allowing to be seen as civil here is defamation to not just me as a Jew here but to all Jews. By you posting your "revision" just recently, there could be readers that do not see that post by you. Then there could also be readers that have left this community before you posted your "revision". But more than that, you have posted that even a small statement could lead one to feel put down which has not been revised, nor has your TOS been revised in that it still says not to post anything that could lead one to feel put down or accused. What a subset of readers could think now is that members can post anti-Semitism and defamation toward me and that it will be good for this community as a whole because you say now that you will leave defamation and anti-Semitism unsanctioned , as in the statements in question in our discussion here, because it could be good for this community as a whole for you to do so even though it is not supportive or civil. A subset of jurists could see that there is the malice.
Lou Pilder
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