Posted by Lou Pilder on May 19, 2014, at 9:15:18
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on May 16, 2014, at 11:20:23
> > > > C. If you do not post a repudiation to the statement, would those Jews not have hatred induced into them toward the poster, and if so, why?
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> > > They still might have hatred induced into them, for example, by the poster, or others, including you, but I wouldn't be stoking it, or inducing it myself.
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> > If you see that you can see something else other that P hating Q, please post what it is and your rationale for such.
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> Of course other outcomes are possible, too. For example, P could welcome a different point of view.
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> > You also state that you would not be stoking hatred toward the Jews by allowing the anti-Semitic statement to stand.
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> False, I said I wouldn't be stoking hatred *in* Jews.
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> > Your primary argument to allow the statement to have immunity ... is that readers such as Jews could have hate induced in them toward the poster of the anti-Semitic statement.
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> It wasn't immune to sanctioning. It was sanctioned indirectly.
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> > you have not explained further your reasoning as to what you base your claim that if you did sanction the statement Jews could have hate induced to the poster of the anti-Semitic statement
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> It could be in self-defense. If poster Q posts a post that I identify as anti-group G, then members of G could hate Q to ready themselves for an attack by Q.
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> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...It was sanctioned indirectly, (No non-Christian will enter heaven)...].
The statement in question, (No non-Christian will enter heaven), by you allowing it to be seen without a repudiation by you that is to the statement in the thread where it appears, could lead a subset of readers to think that your rules say that the statement it not against your rules, since it is not sanctioned. The fact that you say that you sanctioned it indirectly, does not annul the fact that the statement can be seen as not against your rules because in the thread where it is posted, you have not posted a repudiation to what the statement could purport. A sanction generally incudes that the statement is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community and, that in this case, not to post what could put down those of other faiths as the rule that the statement in not in accordance with. The statement is anti-Jewish thought that a subset of readers could think that you and your deputies of record are ratifying the anti-Semitic thought in the statement, for Jews believe that they can enter heaven without being a Christian, and the insult to Judaism could be thought that you are validating what could put down Jews on the basis that the statement in not in accordance with your rule to not post what could put down those of other faiths. Judaism is not inferior to Christianity as the statement makes that claim as that the statement could be thought to be analogous to:
{ Only Christians will enter heaven } which is against your rules to post here.
Your rationale for allowing the statement to stand by what you say is *indirectly* sanctioning the statement by sanctioning a vulgar word by the poster, can be seen by a subset of readers to be considered to be a pretext by you to allow anti-Semitic damage to flourish in your site. The basis for that is that your TOS sates that not until one sees it can they know it. And in the sanction of the vulgar word, there is nothing in that sanction that has to do with the anti-Semitic statement, {No non-Christian will enter heaven}, and one is not to jump to conclusions in your TOS, which I think one would have to do in order to accept your *indirect* sanction. This could lead a subset of readers to think that this site of yours is allowing a statement that could lead readers to think that Jews are an inferior race. And worse, if those readers see this discussion here, they could think that you and your deputies then are allowing Jews to be viewed here as people rejected from heaven because they are Jews and not Christians. That anti-Semitic thought has resulted in millions of Jewish children murdered because they were Jews.
Never again.
Lou Pilder
poster:Lou Pilder
thread:1050116
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20140304/msgs/1065801.html