Posted by Lou Pilder on October 25, 2013, at 7:12:26
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 25, 2013, at 0:03:21
> > Surely your taking certain actions doesn't depend on whether any other poster to babble "would be happy with" your doing it?
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> > Yet your question alone shows ~~visibly~~ as Lou likes to say-- how much you cater to him, and give him special privileges--
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> > This is seemingly because he has make himself so unavoidable and continuous a presence that you've backed further and further into some sort of need simply to satisfy him-- if only he will be quiet and leave you in peace.
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> > You had better be cautious about the can of worms you may be opening here.
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> > Willful
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> There's a tension, or dialectic, here. On the one hand, I should do what posters want. OTOH, I should do what I think is right.
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> I see myself not as giving Lou special privileges, but as taking his concerns seriously. Just because he's a minority doesn't mean his concerns shouldn't be taken seriously.
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> I like peace and quiet, but I also want to improve the rules, and understanding of the rules.
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> What worms do you see in the can?
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> > I am trying to make out what in this world my accepting that has anything to do with you taking affirmative action and doing remedial action
> > If you are making a condition to me to accept your rephrases in order for you to take affirmative action, I consider that to subject me to different terms and conditions than the other members here which I have told you before: no, you can't do that to me.
> > If you are going to leave the statement as it is because I will not be subjected to additional terms and conditions than other members here, then the flames of hatred toward the Jews and others that have the potential to spread from others seeing the statement as supportive by you, could continue to burn.
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> > Lou Pilder
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> OK, we don't seem to be able to agree on a path forward. Should we move on to another statement?
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> BobMr. Hsiung,
You say that you want to do what is right and that you take my concerns seriously.
I would think that if that is true, then my concern that the three statements in question here that have not been notated by you in the threads where they appear as to not be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community could mean that what you consider to be right is that statements that could put down at least Jews are to be left to stand are what you are doing as "right" and to leave them as supportive will be good for this community as a whole.
This could lead a subset of readers to have hatred infused in them toward Jews and others that are depicted in the statements in question. I base this on the historical record when anti-Semitic statements are allowed to be promulgated by the leader and then the hatred involved that can come from that is exponentially increased because that subset of people could think that hatred toward the Jews is state-sponsored.
Now we have you wanting to go on while leaving that the following statements are allowed to be seen as supportive by you. Here are the three.
A.[... in the top ten worst reasons for organized religion, one of them is that the religion has its agenda not centered in Christ...]. The statement puts down and is an insult to Jews, Islamic people, Hindus and all other faiths that have their agenda not centered in Christ
B.[... Christianity is the only religion that has a path back to god..]. This is against you own stated rules and puts down and insults Jews and the others.
C. The passage of Jesus cleansing the Temple and depicting the Jews as moneychangers that have greed as the poster writes, is a passage that stigmatizes and stereotypes Jews for centuries and has led millions of Jewish children and adults being murdered . This is left as supportive by you here.
Now those three put down Jews and others, and readers could see them as being good for this community as a whole to stand.
I would think that if you are taking my concerns seriously as you say, that you have not addressed my concerns as serious, until you post in those threads remedial action as to show that they are not supportive. If you do not, then what you have posted here as to that you do what is right, then readers could think that it is right for these anti-Semitic statements to be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community.
Lou Pilder
Now if you are not going to take affirmative action on the above three, then you could go on to this:
Here is a statement that you have allowed for readers to think is supportive and good for this community as a whole. I am asking that you immediately post in the thread that the statement is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community. For if it is, then hate is good for this community as a whole, and you say that you want to do what is right. Now is a time for you to declare what you think is "right" by either taking remedial action on that post or allowing it to stand as supportive.
Lou PIlder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1051978.html
poster:Lou Pilder
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