Posted by Lou Pilder on May 5, 2013, at 7:13:18
In reply to Lou's request-heytgrewp » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on May 5, 2013, at 6:30:16
> > Hi, everyone,
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> > You can help this site run smoothly by notifying me of issues you see on the boards. Please don't do that in posts, however; posting that others are annoying, hurtful, self-centered, etc., can lead them to feel accused. Instead, use the "notify administrators" buttons below the posts:
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> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#help
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> > This applies even to those who have difficulty understanding how, or why, it applies to them. I feel this guideline is benign and helpful. It's reasonable and fair to apply it to everyone equally.
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> > Lately, I've been trying to separate the sides in conflicts. If two sides are too far apart, giving them separate threads may lessen conflict between them without invalidating either of them:
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> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1042870.html
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> > I support efforts to protect and reassure other posters. Lou may express what they think and fear. What would reassure posters who feel frightened? Blocking Lou?
> >
> > Some posters may not want to hear what Lou has to say, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's uncivil. Some posters may be extremely limited in their ability to be empathic with him. Instead, they may obsess and perseverate about their agendas and perceived harms.
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> > I don't think I underestimate the intelligence and deliberative capacities of posters. I start with the assumption that they, especially with the help of others, can decide what information to trust and what information to ignore:
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> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#trust
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> > Which side is more capable of changing? Maybe it's an inevitable dialectic.
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> > Bob
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> > --
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> > > However, Lou has made even more frequent comments which many in the community find personally harmful and even threatening
> > >
> > > Twinleaf
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> > > I agree with Twinleaf. I don't understand why your discouragement of exaggerations and overgeneralizations have not applied to Lou Pilder over the last few years. In addition, I feel that he is badgering other posters, especially when those posters ask him to desist.
> > >
> > > - Scott
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> > > I think many here interact with him not because they're interested in what he says, but because they're trying to protect others here, and especially newcomers, who may be upset and possibly driven away by his unrealistic but frightening comments. I myself have done this, because it's not fair to those who are unaware of his actions and history.
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> > > Also to leave his voice unopposed seems wrong and disloyal to oneself and others who struggle with depression and go through difficult times, when what sometimes feel more like threats, than helpful warnings, may accord with someone's own thoughts or fears.
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> > > Willful
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> > > I think the basic message he brings is great, and sometimes its difficult to get the message across that he brings to this site because no one wants to hear the very bad things about a pill they swallow every day.
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> > > We all have flaws in how we go about doing things, but its wouldn't be good if everyone around you pointed them out to you at every single chance. Just turn the other cheek.
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> > > poser938
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> > > Perhaps you underestimate the intelligence and deliberative capacities of the people who choose to take these pills.
> > >
> > > - Scott
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> > > He seems to be relying more and more on the community to manage its own problems. Yet I think it is especially difficult when someone is paranoid or narcisistic because they are extremely limited in their ability to be empathic or have a shared dialogue with another person. Instead, they obsess and perseverate about their agenda and percieved harms. It's both frustrating and sad how impaired socially these individuals can be.
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> > > Toph
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> > > I would very much like to see minimal civility requirements applied, even to those who might have difficulty understanding how, or why, they apply to them. I feel that the present civility rules are benign and helpful. It would be reasonable and fair to apply them to everyone equally, and might have a beneficial effect that we will not know about. In their current form, they are simply normal social expectations and could be helpful to people who may have become extremely isolated.They certainly won't hurt anyone.
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> > > Twinleaf
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> > > Without the administration drawing the line, as you put it, participants are left with just ignoring these individuals, I'm afraid. Pointing out how annoying, hurtful and self-centered they are sure hasn't helped.
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> > > Toph
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> > > People who are not familiar with the authors of such posts don't know to ignore them.
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> > > - Scott
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> > > All I know is I gave up thinking this poster is capable of changing a long time ago.
> > >
> > > Toph
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> Mr Hsiung,
> You wrote to advocate to members,[...notifying me of issues you see on the boards...].
> I would like for you to post here answers to the following so that parents trying to make a more-informed decision as to give any credibility to what is plainly visible here as to if it is or is not going to be good for their child to be drugged in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor or not. If you could post answers to the following here, then I could respond to you and try to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions, and prevent hate from being promulgated here.
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> True or false.
> A. Members using the notification feature to me will have their concerns about what is in the post addressed before I address the years of outstanding notifications from you, Lou.
> B. Members using the notification feature to me will have their concerns addressed by me after I address the years of outstanding notifications from you, Lou.
> C. There are two standards here, Lou. The notifications from you will be treated differently than notifications from other members.
> D. Any stigmatization to you because there are years of outstanding notifications from you, Lou, could happen and I will now address all of your outstanding notifications so that any stigmatization of you could be removed.
> E. By me leaving your notifications to me outstanding, I can control the content and any notifications involving statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings could then have the potential to infuse hatred toward the Jews because support takes precedence and those type of statements that are allowed to stand could be thought by some to be supportive.
> F. It will be good for this community as a whole to leave your notifications outstanding, Lou, because any of those outstanding notifications that defame you and cause the flame of hate, could be left to be allowed to still burn.
> G. I am going to leave your notifications outstanding, Lou, including any that could lead someone to their death because some could think that what is in question is supportive because it is not addressed.
> H. I am going to continue to allow others here to post false accusations about you, so using the notification feature will be of no avail to you to have me stop what my own rules state is not allowed to be posted about someone here.
> K. I will continue to allow others here to post what is called [manufacturing a falsehood} toward you, even though tactics like that could put you in a false light and create a {hate-group} of members here that could inflict emotional distress in you.
> L. redacted by respondent
> Lou PilderFriends,
If you are interested in being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read he following. The paper is about how hate-groups are established in a community. I tis from notable psychologists and goes over how propaganda a and prejudice is fostered in a group. It goes on about how hate I learned.
I am trying to stop hate from being promulgated here in particular toward Jews but not limited to them. When hate is allowed to stand, others could think that the hate is {state-sponsored} and will b good for the community as a whole. And when hate is allowed, suicide and murder, even mass-murder can abound.
Lou
http://www2.webster.edu/~woolflm/HateDummies.pdf
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