Posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2013, at 10:42:26
In reply to Re: feeling powerless, posted by Dr. Bob on May 7, 2013, at 3:46:59
> > > I wonder if seeing me as empowering Lou might be connected with feeling powerless to change how I behave.
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> > Of course it does. This is the crux of the behavioral dynamic that produces the frustration and sense of powerlessness many of us feel here.
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> > Nothing will change.
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> > - Scott
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> > I personally have given up completely on being able to make any sort of difference here.
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> > Dinah
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> There are things I feel powerless to change, too. Does anybody here have any tips on how to deal with feelings of powerlessness?
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> --
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> > I don't like to repeatedly invest the time and energy to contest your same litany of disinformation, exaggerations, and overgeneralizations. Historically, others have contested your assertions without your engaging them in a dialogue.
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> > - Scott
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> Lou may express what some posters fear. What would reassure those posters who feel afraid? If I were frightened of medication, I don't think blocking someone who expressed my fears would reassure me.
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> A reassuring statement could be developed and reused, for example:
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> > Almost any drug will cause death if not managed properly. It is true that drugs in general can cause death. Psychiatric drugs are not unique in this regard.
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> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16294364
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> Still, it takes repeated investments of time and energy to reassure other posters. I can see how that could get old. It takes repeated investments of time and energy to moderate Babble.
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> > C. There are two standards here, Lou.
> > F. It [may] be good for this community as a whole to leave your notifications outstanding, Lou
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> > Lou Pilder
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> Lou,
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> 1. I wonder if you feel powerless to change how I behave. If so, you and other posters may have something in common.
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> 2. In a way, there are in fact different standards, because time to respond to notifications is limited:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#help
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> 3. In a way, it may be good for this community to see that posts by you don't have to be responded to.
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> 4. I should be careful what I wish for, too, but I might address more of your concerns if someone else notified me of them. Does anybody else here share your concerns? The goal here is support. Do you feel supported here? Maybe by Scott?
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> > I'm sorry that you feel hated.
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> > - Scott
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> > Be advised that it is well-known how hate groups are fostered in a community and the horrific damage to the members that the hate induces to those that are in those groups.
> > First, psychologists have studied how hate is formed in a community to make a hate-group. It is not a mystery and you do not have to be a mastermind to foster a hate-group. For hate can be a mask that the hater wares to hide their insecurities. And then the hate elevates the hater above the ones that they are hating, (in their own minds that is). Then the hater solicits others to hate the target so that they can get what they think is validation from others to elevate (falsely) their self-worth and to prevent others from exposing them as having personal insecurities.
> > The haters thinks that they will be empowered by being in a group which they believe becomes a shield to prevent accountability for their acts of hatred. Hate ties the group together with their common cause so that they can debase the object of their hate which they think will bolster their self-image.
> > This becomes fashionable in a group where hate toward others is allowed to stand. The haters blame the victim of their hate to justify the hate. Their minds can be taken over by them falsely thinking that they will be doing good by destroying their target of hate. And then the target is not allowed to stand up to the bullies with hatred toward them.
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> > Lou
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> I wouldn't disagree with the above, though I wouldn't overgeneralize, either. I wonder:
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> 1. What leads one subgroup to become hated instead of others?
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> 2. I could imagine some of those in the hated subgroup starting to hate those in the hating subgroup. Would the above dynamics then also start to apply also to them?
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> 3. How might such a cycle be broken?
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> BobMr Hsiung,
Here you ask me how the cycle of hate could be broken.
The cycle of hate can be broken by you, by you posting responses to my requests and notifications that are outstanding. Here is the way that I would break the cycle of hate if I had the authority to require that you post responses my concerns in those outstanding requests/notifications.
If I had the authority to require you to post responses I would first require you to post responses to the links that I provided to you in our {Hsiung-Pilder discussion}. These are the ones that I ask for you to declare if you consider the statement in question in those posts to be supportive or acceptable or something else. This is because your rules were here stating to not post what is not supportive for support takes precedence and to not post anything that could lead one to feel put down or accused and to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths. Then you changed your rules to say that statements that are not supportive can be posted if you think that they are acceptable, in the cases so far that we are in discussion with here. Now the cycle of hate IMHO is not broken by you changing your rules to say that some statements that are not supportive or could lead a Jew to feel put down or could put down those of other faiths, are OK to post here because you say that those are acceptable. The reason that I do not think that the cycle of hate could be broken by you saying that they are acceptable is because I think that some others could think of what you are doing to be oxymoronic in what you are doing by all of a sudden saying that statements that could lead a Jew to feel put down, are OK to post here because you say that they are acceptable by you. If the statement is not supportive and in the past those type of statements were not allowed to stand, some readers could think that by you changing your rules to allow statements that are not supportive that could lead a Jew to feel put down to now be allowed to stand, could think that you are stoking the furnace of hatred toward ,in particular but not limited to, the Jews by saying that statements that could lead a Jew to feel put down, which are antisemitic statements, are acceptable. So what I want you to do is to clear up any thought of there being an oxymoronic connection here, that you state what "acceptable" means to you. If you could do that, then I could post my response to you and show how the furnace of hate could be put out, for as it stands now, people could think that posting statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and statements that put down other faiths, are "acceptable" which could mean a call to others to post more of the same which I think will stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and others also, for after all, you say it is "acceptable". It is not acceptable to me, my friend, for I think it perpetuates the cycle of hate. Please go to the thread where I list the links of posts that I am asking for you to declare if the post is supportive or you will allow it to stand because it is acceptable to you or something else so that I have the opportunity to stop the cycle of hate here if what you post does not.
Lou PIlder
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