Posted by Lou Pilder on March 17, 2008, at 17:35:00
In reply to Citation for post by Dr. Kramer-LLhzgdshd?, posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 16:01:58
> > > > > > > > > Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing. Consider PB just one more unmoderated blog that is so pervasive on the Internet. I think we should just be glad that this forum exists at all.
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> > > > > > > > > If anyone would care to answer: Exactly what is it that you find it necessary for Dr. Bob to be here?
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> > > > > > > > > What can't you do while he is not here?
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> > > > > > > > > He has no duty to make you happy.
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> > > > > > > > > In the 8 years I've been posting here, I have never seen Dr. Hsiung give medical advice. What else do you need him for?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Simple question: How does Bob's absence affect YOU.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So far, I've asked this question with other words. No one has attempted to answer it. If you cannot answer this fundamental question, I don't see that there is much to discuss. I think there is a mob mentality here, and I wish people would just talk about themselves rather than allude to some global consensus.
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> > > > > > > > > What do we need Bob for? That's another attempt to get to a straight answer out of somebody. Saying that some percentage of people are mad and sad and lost without our leader, Dr. Bob, does not address the questions I've posed in previous posts.
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> > > > > > > > > I hear children whining. It must be me.
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> > > > > > > > > - Scott
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> > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > It is written here,[...Dr. Robert Hsiung owes us nothing...what is it..for Bob to be here...he has no duty to make you happy...never seen ..giving medical advice...Simple..how does Mr. Hsiung's absence affect YOU...no one has attempted to answer...mob mentality...some global consensus...What do we need Bob for?...hear children whining...].
> > > > > > > > Let us consider several aspects of this situation here one at a time by the use of established reasoning. One way of reasoning is by comparative analogy.
> > > > > > > > In an analogy, we could try to compare this communnity with another like community. If we compared this community to , let's say, an emergency room, would there be a proper analogy? Let's try and see.
> > > > > > > > Let us say that in an ER the main doctor that supervises all the other doctors leaves without saying when he will return and leaves the ER open to be run by his assistants that do not have the expertise as the main doctor and that the assistants do not have authority to act in a final decision as to do a critical surgery or not, for only the leader of those doctors is allowed to decide and the leader did not replace himself before he left with an equivalent doctor.
> > > > > > > > Then a 17 year old girl is brought in and emergency treatment that the doctors need authorization to perform is delayed because the main doctor has left the hospital that authorizes the procedure or not and the doctors ready to perform need the main dosctor to have his expertise to do the procedure. The family brought their daughter in in an expectation that treatment could be given.
> > > > > > > > Now in this community here, one could ask as to if an {agency} has been created from the past practice that one could expect.
> > > > > > > > Memebrs have expected here support and education that is moderated by the leader and that his policy is that his assistants do not have to act and can defer to the leader and that the assistants (deputies) are themselves members that share some of the psychological/emotioanl states that the members came to this community for support for. By the nature that the leader is not responding to pleas from members that have psychological/emotional states that they came to the forum for support and education about, and that notifications have been posted as being outstanding, could we determine if there is the potential that some of those members could slide into deeper depression and hopelesness and other psychotic states from the main administrator not responding to pleas from the members?
> > > > > > > > Then there is the question of the site being at no cost. Well, what if the ER in question was a free clinic? Would that change anything? If so, what? more...
> > > > > > > > Lou
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> > > > > > > friends,
> > > > > > > It is written here something like,[...where has Dr. Hsiung posted as a clinician?...].
> > > > > > > In order to have a determination concerning that aspect here, it is the generally accepted meaning of one to be a clinician if one presents him/her self as being qualified as a doctor or a psychiatrist or psychologist. The email address and such for Dr. Hsiung and his picture can identify him as a doctor and a psychitrist. But there is much more to this.
> > > > > > > In Mr. Hsiung's TOS he has a section called something like, {what medicine to take?}. In that section, could not some think that Mr. Hsiung is establishing an agency for others to get clinical expertise concerning medicine? If not, why not?
> > > > > > > And would it depend on if the member or the doctor is giving the opinion concerning the medicine? After all, if you take the position that it is the members, then since Mr. Hsiung could controll the content of the forum, then is there not the potential for one to see a controlled aspect of medictions here? If not, why not? more...
> > > > > > > Lou
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> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > Let us look a what members here have access to in reagrds to medicines. A member here can click on the following:
> > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/
> > > > > > Lou
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> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > Let us look at the link that members can acccess here concerning advice about medicines and such and if this does or does not have the potential to lead some others to think that there is advice or not concerning clinical pharmacology.
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/experts.html
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> > > > > friends,
> > > > Here is a link where it is th epotential IMO for some others to think that Dr. Hsiung is writing about medication.
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010417/msgs/60424.html
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Here is a link to one of Dr. Hsiung's guest experts that members could read about the drug Serzone. Dr. Kramer writes:
> > > A. Serzone's liver problems are quite rare
> > > B. Serzone is a good drug
> > > Now that was written here in 2002
> > > In 2004, Serzone was taken off the market 9citation sz1) because
> > > C.liver failure (people die from liver failure and there were 21 deaths linked to Serzone in the US, one possible, a 15 year old girl).
> > > D.The FDA had forced the manufacturer in 2002 to add a serious liver warning, but problems continued
> > > E. The drug was taken off the market in Europe, New Zealand, Austrailia and Canada and was continued to be prescribed in the US.
> > > Now let us reason together here. Has not Dr. Hsiung allowed this post to remain without being updated in the thread that it appears? If so, could a member here be influenced to think that Serzone is a good drug as Dr. Hsiung's expert guest , Dr. Kramer, writes? Could it be determined as to if Dr. Kramer knew about the taking off from the market the drug in 2002 in Europe? Even though the drug has been taken off the market in 2004 in the US, could there be now some people in the US that have shelved the drug in 2004 think that they can reinstate it now if they have no knowlege of that the drug has been taken off the market?
> > > Lou
> > > citation sz1
> > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/15/eveningnews/main612150.shtml
> > >
> > Friends,
> > Serzone was known to cause liver failure well befor 2004 and was taken off the market in 2003 in Europe, Canada, Austrialia and New Zealand.
> > But the drug could be still available in the U.S. as a generic and I do not know if it is or is not availble as this is written, but it could be.
> > You see, that drug is from a chemical class called the Phenylpiperazines that I have been wanting to post about here. If one was prescribed a generic form of Serzone, how likely in your opinions could it be that a person receiving the drug as a generic could know that it was a phenylpiperazine as like Serzone if it still being prescribed?
> > I ask in your opinions, could (you could email me for this if you like)
> > Lou
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> friends,
> Here is the link to the post by DR. Kramer where he writes,[...Serzon's liver problems...are quite rare...] and,[...Serzone is a good drug...].
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020327/msgs/101267.htmlfriends,
Scott wrote that he has never seen medical advice given by Mr. Hsiung here.
On the opening page of the {medicine} board, it writes that you can clik on the name of several medicines to get infomation about that drug. Mr. Hsiung has his photographic image on the top of the page. This could IMO give some people the idea that what is on the page is placed there by Mr. Hsiung for the benifit of the members.
When you clck on the drug Serzone (citation sz2) you get a list of many of the things that one could like to know about that drug. Is it advice? The generally accepted meaning of {advice} is that there is infomation given that could help one make a decision. Here in this section about drugs, there is infomation that could IMO help one to make a decision as to take the drug or not. But there is not the infomation there that the drug has been associated with numerous deaths due to liver failure and that the drug was taken off the market in Europe, the U.S. in Canada, Austrailia and New Zealand around 2003-4. So is the advice such that one could have an imformed body of knowlege to make an well-informed decision as to take the drug or not in your opinions? Also, is there not the aspect of that there may be the generic equivalent that could be given by a general practioner that also may not be aware of the drug being taken off the market? Then I ask, why is the section that is on the opening page of the board called Medicine not accurate in terms of this situation that deaths could occure from liver failure by taking the drug?
Lou
citation sz2
http://dr-bob.org/tips/nefazodone.html#side-effects
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