Posted by muffled on June 30, 2007, at 9:43:55
In reply to Re: Power and status and deputies, posted by Meri-Tuuli on June 30, 2007, at 2:20:18
> > the deps DON'T have much power.
> > Not really.
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> Yes they do. They can give us uncivil warnings, they can block us, what more power (on babble anyway) do you want?**Yes they have the power minimally, but do they *abuse* it? they also always say that Bob can override their descicions, so ultimately, they have small power, cuz a person can complain to Bob(whom you stated is fair)and he can override their descions. Bob is FAR more difficult to deal with than our deputies IMHO. And I say OUR deputies, they are a part of our community.
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> > And they are WAY more approachable and lenient than Bob.
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> No they aren't. And they really really shouldn't be more lenient. Dr Bob and the Deputies should have the very same criteria for blocking as each other. Deputies should have exactly the same lenienancy as Dr Bob. The very fact that you think that they are more lenient just goes to show that they show bias. In all honestly, I find Dr Bob the most fair and lenient.**They are human, the *art* of dealing with people will never be perfect or exact. I wish Bob would lean toward the deputies ways, not the other way around. Bob is rigid and inflexible, I think he is honestly trying, but perhaps its hard for him. The deputies show a GENERAL level of lenience, and they try hard not to show bias, they fully admit themselves that they are human. You WILL notice I magically escaped a block on a thread above where EVERYone else appears to have been blocked.....that was Bob...
Hmmmmm.
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> > I think its been VERY hard for them lately :-(
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> I'm not saying it hasn't been hard for them. Perhaps this could have been avoided if they were anonymous? Perhaps it would help them take things less personally when they get critized in their deputy roles?**Its not so much personal attacks that I am worried about. Its the fact they they *do* worry about their actions. Bob is supposed to back them up, cuz there's times when they feel they are struggling with trying to step in on more difficult threads, cuz they do not have the power Bob does, and because they would like to be able to babble too, and not be ostracised for trying to help. Yeah, I dunno bout the anonymity, to me it seems it might make it easier, but the deps seem to think its not such a great idea, and I *do* trust the deps...like I say, I think its more lack of an overseer than the personal attacks thats been hard for them methinks.
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> > I really dunno WTF Bob is up to.
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> Finding balance in his life?**thats what he says, and good for him. he *does* seem to be communicating ever so slightly better...
He still does not tell us much however :-(
I think the deps are struggling too...
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> > But I think the deps goto be doing it out of kindness for babble, cuz its an utterly and completely thankless job these days....
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> No-one has forced them to become deputies.**Noone *forces* ANYone to do volunteer work, they do it to make a contribution to society.....you think I find it fun washing God knows what off the walls in a drop on center? Seeing fights there? Seeing people slowly go down over time, and die? Yet there I go.....I *want* to help. I beleive the deputies do it for the very same reason. I *don't* think its fun for them. The training process takes a long time. I want to help too, but I just couldn't take the worry and the flack, I am not stable enough. I am thankful for the deputies.
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> > I think the deputies WANT to be held accountable. Thats why names. From what has been said, they worry a great deal bout fairness.
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> I'm not saying that deputies should not be held accountable for their decisions. Of course they should. Simply that the deputies become anonymous and that personal posting names and deputy names become completely separate. We can still hold accountable 'deputy_2' for example.**well, like I said, I *thot* it a good thot, the anonymity. If for no other reason than, as you say, maybe there could be more deputies. I have some doubt though, for how long they would remain anon.... and speculation would run rampant, if they were babblers AND deputies....I think the level of distrust on babble would increase exponentially, for some don't wish to post to deps....
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> > Just no easy answers I am afraid.
> > Pretty soon there will be no deputies.....
> > then what?
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> Yes there will. I can imagine that all sorts of people will volunteer to become deputies if we had the cover of anonymity.
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**I honestly am not sure there will be :-(
And what would their motivations be, under cover of anonymity...
At least our deps are out front and honest.
People didn't exactly flock to the call last time....
And its a long training process...
And how would it *feel* to be posting AND an anonymous deputy???? I would feel like I was living a lie in front of my babble friends. I couldn't do that....
So, its just not that easy Meri.
We may just have to agree to disaggree....
But I did post this post, for you, and others, so that you could understand *my* POV. Cuz this is what *I* have seen here. And I beleive theres truth in what I say.
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