Posted by shar on February 20, 2003, at 14:04:21
In reply to Re: Shutting down the Babbles » shar, posted by Alii on February 20, 2003, at 0:47:11
> Shar,
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> Life is change. One of those changes might be that these sites may not run forever. You just never know.........Too true.
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> This resource is harming people........you know, this statement has been made many times by many people, and in my experience, it's when someone disagrees with or is ticked off by an administrative type decision (to block or not block someone, for example).
.........I would like to hear how this resource harms people, from a mental health perspective. Not just ticks them off, or upsets them, or doesn't do what they want...but really harms them.
.........Harm, to me, would entail a setback in one's recovery, it would mean that a person is less able to go on in their life due to this board, or that they ended up in the ER or hospitalized due to this board. And, not just because some other poster said something that had a negative impact (like touting Jesus to an atheist, or name-calling) on the reader.
........To me, this board is a microcosm of life. There are good and bad things being said, but, unlike life, there is some effort to moderate the bad things. Now, things don't get moderated to everyone's satisfaction--including mine. I have been pissed about administrative decisions, and said so, and I've been upset at other poster's writings at times, and said so, and sometimes join the fray. And, I've had times where I've stayed away from topics because I know that they would upset me, so I could choose to bypass them and did.
.......Harm needs to be carefully defined, in my opinion. And, if people are, in fact, being harmed--their recovery from mental illness is compromised due to the Babbles--and this happens to people on a regular basis, then maybe the boards should be shut down.
.......From my perspective, I see more help and support than hindrance here. For the people who have been upset or maybe blocked, some return to do mischief, stir things up, and some return after looking for a better place to be and not finding it and give and receive support here.
........So, back to the issue of harm. It's easy to toss that out there, and it's a good 'hook' as well. I hope that people who do make adverse event reports are not allowed to just say "the site harmed me" but need to provide some detailed information on how that occurred, and the impact it had on their recovery, and their ability to go forward with their lives.
>and these people are not reporting their adverse advent reports since Bob has hidden it somewhere within the PBA posts.
........but, almost always when a person says 'I'm going to report you' someone jumps in with information on exactly how to do so. And, I was glad to see that how to report has been put in the FAQs.
>I feel that the folks being harmed the most by this site have just as much right to speak to the appropriate persons or organizations so that their voices are heard.
........me, too.
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> The same right that you have to voice your discord with anyone who dares to question the fashion under which these Babble sites are run.
>......very true, unless it happens to be dr. bob who is the recipient of my voiced discord at the moment. :)
> There are ethical and moral questions regarding testing on human subjects
.......yes, and I fully support those guidelines, and in many cases feel they need to be stronger and applied to non-human subjects also.
>and I'm not sure that Dr. Bob is fully aware of the impact these sites have on those subject since he tends to respond in a cut and paste fashion to most kurfuffles.
..........this is another type of statement, similar to the "harm" one, where "impact" is not very descriptive of what actually occurs. I am assuming you mean negative impact, and I would be very interested to know exactly what you mean by that. Just like saying this site is harming people, it sounds good, raises eyebrows, generates concern, but doesn't tell the story. And, with all the "harm" and "negative impact" we have in our society and around the world to all factions of the population in many different ways, the words themselves become a trigger.
Shar
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> ~A.
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