Posted by Tomatheus on July 30, 2012, at 14:54:18
In reply to Re: T, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 30, 2012, at 13:27:08
RJ,
See below for my responses to different portions of your post...
> Anyways, sorry I got off topic but you where talking about spiritual entities, which I know vary much that some how this is whats happening but i've told my psychologist about this and he told its mental construct of something the mind is trying to vent its distress, using "Lucifer" because he is one of my intrests to read about.
Your psychologist could be right. A lot of what I wrote in my last post included some of my personal beliefs, but they're not beliefs that are based as much on scientific evidence as they are on my own experiences and observations. I tend to think that spiritual entities, including Lucifer, are more than a figment of our imaginations. I do see what your psychologist is saying, and he might possibly be right in telling you that Lucifer is more of a mental construct that you created more than anything else, but I tend to see spiritual entities and the spirit world as real things that can be perceived by those who are in some way wired to be able to perceive them. So, I guess what I'm saying is that my thoughts on spirituality are more like hypotheses than statements of fact -- they're what I tend to think based on what I've experienced, but I think it's possible that I could be wrong and that other explanations might be correct.
> The biggest fear of me living life is that to live in false light of spirituality. Living a well contructed imagination of a belief system, meaning that someone talks to God but lives in error of the true living God, which is through Jesus Christ. I'm actually glad I have a pessimistic view of spirituality because it would be better to doubt that life is not all about flowers...blessings...and cupcakes that God personally sent you, with a big fat check of money because someone believed they would get it. Kinda get what I'm saying?
I think I get what you're saying. I think it goes hand in hand with what you say in your signature about avoiding false lights of enlightenment. And I think that it can be easy for all people, including those who are spiritual and say that they talk to God, to stray from the teachings of the religions that they follow. Does this mean that those who say that they talk to God are actually living in a false light? Possibly. I don't think that spirituality in itself is necessarily a bad thing, but I do think that even those who are spiritual can be materialistic and can lose track of the teachings of their religions and/or their commitments to serve others and do good works.
> But anyways, you know posting all this has caused people to change their view of me, but im not psychotic....its that I choose to see something that I can't see psychically.
I'm not saying that you're psychotic. I do think that individuals with psychotic disorders are probably more likely to be able to perceive the spirit world than those who don't have psychotic disorders, but there are also a lot of people without psychotic disorders who seem to have the ability to perceive the spirit world. Given the fact that you see a psychologist and doctor and haven't been diagnosed with a psychotic disorder, I wouldn't categorize you as being psychotic. I would say that *for me*, having an ability to perceive the spirit world began at the same time that my psychosis began. I would also say that having mystical experiences and having psychotic experiences seem to be related in some way. But I'm not saying that everybody who has an experience that is spiritual or mystical in nature is psychotic, and I'm sorry if relating my experience might have made it seem like you might also be psychotic. That was not my intent.
> I really am not a fan of going to motivational similars, psychiatric related or money related....they just tell you a bunch of stuff that "you can do it" and eleborate and intellectualize of how to live a better life, its vary cognitive hehavior thearpy with alot of motivation in the process. I like psychodynamic therpy alot but the only issue with it is taht they anaylze why you do things but they don't make a goal really to change it. I don't know that's my view....
I see what you're saying, and if you haven't found the programs that you've attended to be helpful and have given them an adequate chance, then perhaps it would be best not to attend them. I do, however, think that it would be a good idea to keep your options open and to maybe think about a form of group therapy that's different from what you've attended, such as maybe DBSA or NAMI. But ultimately, I think that you know yourself better than I do and that you should decide for yourself how to proceed with any psych program or form of group therapy. I just wanted to give you a few things to think about.
Well, that sums up my responses to your post. I hope that you've been having a good day.
Tomatheus
Dx: schizoaffective disorder
Treatments: Abilify, 7 supplements, & counseling
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