Posted by jerryTRD on October 25, 2010, at 21:54:11
In reply to Re: so tired and fatigued even on Adderall, posted by bleauberry on October 25, 2010, at 17:09:27
> 1. Daily high dose refrigerated brand probiotics, at least 15 billion per day. This helps establish proper gut flora, which is likely desimated at this point. The symptoms tell the story.
> 2. Magnesium Malate (has to be malate) dosed to bowel tolerance, starting at 1/4 the recommended dose. (this particular mg produces energy, helps the gut, and displaces/chelates Aluminum which blocks many vital functions related to energy)
> 3. Vitamin C in the effervescent form only, such as EmergenC. Too many reasons to list.
> 4. Japanese Knotweed (called Resveratrol by Source Naturals). Trust me, lots of reasons for this one. It will cover a lot of bases, many you probably have not heard of or considered.
> 5. B complex by Thorne Research...it has two to three different forms of the important B's...that way if you are having a genetic or gut problem in converting one, the others are there to fill the need.
> 6. Thorne Research Pic-Minerals...The minerals themselves are important, but equally as important is the delivery molecule. In this brand, the delivery is specific to your systems. Picolinate for example is one of them.
>
> Not just any B complex or any mineral will work. You gotta have the right stuff. Very specific.
>
> 7. High potency Vitamin E with 3 different forms of E in it. Thorne is one company that does that.
>
> 8. Vitamin D at 5000iu to 10000iu per day.
>
> With the gut problems you are having, your body is likely starved of crucial needs.
>
> That would partially account for the fatigue. But not completely. There is something else going on. That's why the Japanese Knotweed. It covers just about all the bases I can think of.
>
> None of the above are for treating symptoms...they are for treating what is causing the symptoms.
>
> Given a few months on all of the above, it would not surprise me at all if you found you could cut your psych med doses in half or even eliminate some of them.
>
> Also very important:
> 1. Limit coffee.
> 2. Avoid sugars of all kinds...refined, synthetic, fruit juices, potatoes, refined cereal, etc. When you do have sugars, they have to be taken with a good amount of fat (butter or meat fat) and protein.
> 3. Start shopping organic...you are in no condition to be ingesting trace amounts of pesticides, herbicides, hormones, and cow antibiotics.
> 4. If your plate isn't mostly raw or nearly raw veggies and an organic choice of meat, you are begging for the hell to continue.
>
> There are several likely causes of your symptoms. I could name off and explain in detail at least half a dozen. Too long. It doesn't matter which one(s) are actually involved...the above will hit them all.
>
> As soon as you can cut back on the adderall, do so. I'm guessing about 2 weeks into it. Adderall might be the only thing keeping you going right now, but is actually making it all worse.
>
> All of the meds you are taking can cause gut and immmune problems. That is why it is so absolutely crucial to treat your gut perfectly while on meds. That involves the above supplements and food choices.
>
> > I've never been so tired and fatigued in my life. It started back in July. At first I thought it was due to some insomnia from the Adderall - but when I got that worked out it continued.
> >
> > I've seen an endocrinologist who found my thyroid or TSH to be very low and have been taking 125mcg for about 2 months now. I was also found to have mild obstructive sleep apnea for which my doctor referred me to a pulmonologist who I have no seen yet. My Endo found out my Testosterone lvls where low so he started me on AndroGel which I have been taking for 5 days now.
> >
> > I can't get enough sleep. I sleep 15-18 hours a day. I don't know what's wrong?
> >
> > Recently - the past month or so - I've had terrible bouts of diarrhea sending me to the ER twice. My family doc said it was IBS-D -diarrhea and put m eon Lomotil twice a day.
> >
> > I just feel physically sick -in my gut - and I'm wondering if it's my psch meds or that I might actually be sick with something.
> >
> > I'm afraid to call my family doc about it because she's seen me like 4 times in the past month about this and I'm afraid she'll drop me as a patient for being so "mysteriously sick" all the time.. She did have some blood work done that showed my white blood cell count was high -but it didn't seem to be of major importance to her.
> >
> > I don't know what to do.
> >
> > Here's what I'm taking:
> >
> > Adderall 20mg 3x daily
> > Klonopin 1mg 5x daily
> > Lexapro 10mg
> > Effexor XR 150mg
> > Seroquel 300mg
> > Synthroid 125mcg
> > Androgel 1%
> > Lomotil 5mg 2x- 3 x daily
> >
> > I feel nauseated, my abdomen aches constantly, I'm tired all the time and very much fatigued. If it weren't for the Adderall I'd be in bed.
> >
> > Any suggestions??
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jerry
> >
> >
>
>bleauberry-
I don't know if I can afford all these supplements - is there a poor man's version???
Major Depressive Disorder, treatment-resistant w/GAD. Meds: Lexapro 10mg, Adderall IR 20mg 3x daily, Klonopin 1mg 5x daily, Seroquel 300mg, Ambien 10mg, Synthroid 125mcg, Androgel
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