Posted by ParnateStarted2008 on December 5, 2008, at 16:12:04
In reply to Nardil + Insomnia (Seroquel-XR, 50mg), posted by Vincent_QC on December 5, 2008, at 13:28:50
> IT will be nice if someone here experienced insomnia on Nardil?
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> I taked Nardil 3 months in the begining of 2007, 90mg/day, but I never feel the NE or DA effects on it because I was on a high dose of Rivotril (Clonazepam)at that time , 8mg/day...I had to stop the nardil because of the hypotension problem and syncope...
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> Now I restart it 2 weeks ago. I'm now at only 30 mg/day and I feel a lot the NE and DA effect of it, and for someone who is anxious and do social phobia, that's not good at all.
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> One thing change for the 2007 try and the 2008 try, it's the fact that I take only 20mg/day of Valium (Diazepam), so nothing to slow down my anxiety level. That's my explanation about why I can feel the exciting side effects of Nardil now and not before...
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> Now i'm back in the Nardil boat but with more experiences and tools...I have an antidote(pills) just in case I do an hypersensitive crisis and I have also another pill that I Take everyday for the hypotension prevention, I ask it before my hypotension problem kick back in...since I already feel a little bit of hypotension, even if i'm only at 30 mg/day...
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> So that's my question, for peoples who take Nardil and had insomnia at first, what did you do?
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> I go see my doctor this week and he give to me the new Seroquel XR (quetiapine in extended release), 50mg that I have to take at 7pm at night...and he change also my valium (Diazepam) 20mg/day to Ativan (Lorazepam) 8mg/day...
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> I take this new combo with my nardil since 2 days, and of course I sleep more...I had before 2-3 hours in a row max of sleep by night...if I count the little nap in the afternoon...Now, I can sleep 7 hours in a row...BUT I feel really weird the day after...My head spin, normally I want to eat everything I see, now I have nausea just seing food...(good thing since I want to loose some weight)...But well...I hate that feeling...zombie feeling like I call it...
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> Someone know what is the best hour to take my Seroquel xr (50mg) pill a night, to avoid next morning 'hungover' feeling ??? I try to found the half-life of the new Seroquel XR and how many times he take before acheiving his more big peak in the blood...but I can't find the answer...
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> It's look like for now, yes I sleep more at night, but I continu to feel tired in the day, I have to drink coffee every 1 hour to stay awake...in my the fog in my head desepear only after the dinner...That's weird...
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> Anyway, any help will be appreciate!
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> Thanks!
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> Vincent
I just posted such a similar topic whoops..
Hi Vincent, yes I took Nardil for 1 year and now im on Parnare because Nardil side effects.
Anyway, Seroquel XR in my opinion is a bad choice for a sleeping pill. Even the regular version leaves you like a drunken Zombie the next day. If your on XR, I bet you must feel like more of a tired zombie. If its as bad as you say, you'll need a stimulant to keep you awake and alert the next day, but thats to complicated just to be able to use seroquel xr for sleep.
I took seroquel many many times on different meds. I found the best time to take it is about 30 minutes before bed. AND only the regular release. Why would your doctor want you to be tired for 24 hours.. weird.
Seroquel adds alot of weight over time (for most people) aswell as nardil.
You;ll probably have to switch sleep meds every so often so u dont get addicted to one unique medication eg. Lunesta, halcion etc.My top choices for Nardil insomnia:
Trazodone - Its the #1 for MAOI insomnia. It is contraindicated but its still the most popular because you can take it for a long time. Lately Lunesta, Ambien, Sonata.. have been used alot just because they are new. Trazodone can make you tired the next day but it goes away after a couple weeks.
Zopiclone - its ok but leaves a horibble taste in your mouth which gets better with time.. It can be used for a bit longer then most other sleeping pills before your addicted to it. Ezopiclone(Lunesta) is the same but half the dose. Ive read its a bit more addictive cuz the potency..
I would (and do) go from the zz pills(Zolpidem, Zopiclone, Zaleplone) to the hypnotic benzo's giving each one its suggested time of use or more, I usually go more then switch. I dont think its a very good idea and im trying to find something else.. Im going to the docs today for Trazodone.
I have my post right below yours so we should get some good advise/experiences..
I remember Nardil insomnia, it sucked, I would just get up and eat all night and worry about being tired the next day. Now im on Parnate and the insomnia from this is even worse. I found the best way to sleep on nardil was STRUCTURE! Wake up, eat, bedtime, every day at the same time. with the help of a sleep aid occasionally, if i kept structured enough it was great. If only I could of stay like that...
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