Posted by JadeKelly on November 22, 2008, at 19:01:04
In reply to Re: no stims/no benz BEST NARDIL AUGMENTION d/r » JadeKelly, posted by that_guy23 on November 22, 2008, at 16:11:43
Hey that guy,
I've seen a rant and that wasn't even close. Perfectly fine posts. I wasn't sure what your history was, sorry you're having to fight addictions at the same time you are fighting depression. Probably hard to tell which came first as so many people self medicate before getting to a PDoc. I have seen first hand how hard this fight is. My nephew went thru it and now he lives with me. Do you think maybe a program of some kind? I really don't know how he would have beat his addictions without re-hab. Then he worked a program, he works out hard, almost every day. I mean, he just hit it from every angle. A/D's too. You sound strong. So is he. I hated watching him go thru that struggle, so much anxiety. But he did it. He filled his life with other things, does a program (AA) and made friends to hang out with that don't tempt him. This doesn't help you're immediate problem, I know that. I just wonder how much of your anxiety/depression is coming from addiction w/d? What do you think? If I'm way off, tell me. Either way, you're depressed. My nephew tried a few A/d's, some helped, but he wasn't allowed to have even benzos. He stopped all A/D's after a few months of "clean living". He's in remission now, and if he stays clean I imagine he'll stay that way. I don't see that he's at risk. He says he has nightmares now about his drug and alcohol abuse.
Did you get ANY treatment or re-hab for your addictions? The answer to that is pretty important. It could even effect which meds you take as some repair is probably warranted. Is your PDoc aware of your past? Do you take any supps? Do you work out? Believe me, I am not saying some supps, a workout, and some clean living is all I, or you need. If someone suggested that to me, which they have, I'd tell em to take a hike. The only thing thats gonna work for me, I've concluded after trying all above, is meds. Hardcore meds like Maoi's, probably with added augmentation. But thats me. I don't have the drug/alcohol thing to deal with. Get back to me, and PLEASE stop hoarding your klonopin! No wonder you feel like crap!!! You don't need that added anxiety! Let me know above answers.
Oh-Parnate. Got the initial week long great feeling you got I think on Nardil. Not sure what thats about. I'm getting much milder A/D effect than that early response. I feel especially better when I do go out. Developed bad habits while depressed, one is staying in house to much. Parnate makes me more sociable, I don't have that scared feeling I was getting. But like you, its not a total answer. I've been on for a month. So maybe more to come. Also, I haven't upped dose from original 30mg. Going to next appt. I'll let you know. I think Parnate is "speedier" than Nardil but not necessarily in a good way, especially if you have anxiety. Its not like Ritalin or things like that. Weight loss. Insomnia for couple weeks or so. I hear the difference is that Nardil has weight gain, and is more of an anti-anxiety, its also stronger A/D (Nardil is) for a lot of people. You may have delayed response due to previous "use". So giving it time is a good idea I would think. If it comes to a point where you can't take it anymore, I geuss you have the option to find another PDoc, but the augments you listed I think are going to be VERY short lived for you. I'd try an augment(s) that will keep you in long term remission.Adding a drug that has abuse potential I think would be a mistake.
Hows that for a rant :)
~Jade
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