Posted by bulldog2 on November 15, 2008, at 9:27:50
In reply to Re: Anyone Ever Feel More Confused At This Forum?, posted by linkadge on November 13, 2008, at 20:16:18
> I think people go from one extreme to the other.
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> Sure, I believe meds are toxic. That doesn't mean I think that doctors are out to get you etc. etc.
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> I think people just want to believe one extreme cause it makes things nice and easy to understand. Life is always somewhere in between.
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> I just personally think they haven't invented something that is safe (or terrably effective for that matter).
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> Most of the BP medications are neurotoxic. I don't mean that as an undeducated blanket statement but it is essentially true.
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> Low does lithium is probably the safest BP med and even it has its toxicities.
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> BP II is basically a mitochondrial disorder IMHO,
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> How about turmeric and omega-3? Turmeric is a stronger antidepressant that SSRI's in mouse studies and it is powerfully neruoprotective / neurotrophic. Agents like this are showing promise in a number of brain diseases. Its time to give your brain what it needs. That doesn't mean go all out and shovel down piles of vitamins and amino acids, it means judiciously picking substances which have documented effects in problems like this.
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> Bipolar and BPII are some of the poorest treated mood disorders in my opinion. Most people spend way to much time in the depressive phase and there are significant and lasting impairments in cognition etc which often remain inadressed.
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> Treating a mood disorder is a puzzle. Perhaps medicaitons are a piece of that puzzle for you. But, they are still just one tool in the trunk. I think that a full recovery will necessarily take more than medications. The people who recover fully are the ones that attack it from every possible angle.
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> LinkadgeUnfortunately while alternative health appears
the most logical choice (give the body what it needs) after almost 40 years of trying almost every modality (diet,exercise,accupuncture,chinese medicine etc) I have been very disappointed with the results. This field is poorly regulated with dozens of modalties available. Claims are often
made with no scientific validation. So if there are things that work it is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
I have read that mouse studies are more often wrong than right. Their physiology is different enough from us that what works for them very often does not work for us.
While healthy living is certainly a good adjunct to getting better right now alternative health needs to get organzized and weed out what works from what is often quackery. I've probaly spent thousands on ineffective treatments.As to toxic meds that is not just psychotropic meds but allopathic western medicine period. Most meds are toxic to some degree and rarely cure but address symtpoms. But i guess sometimes that's the best we have.
I remember years ago reading a book by Patty Duke about her battle with bp. Life was spiraling out of control. Drinking binges,delusions,one night stands, tamper tantrums and her life just falling apart. She started lithium and the storm abated. Now the med may be toxic and eventually destroy her mind but I guess one has to weigh the options. But for her it was a miracle.
Hopefully one day we will know what the mind needs. Right now we really just don't know what the mind needs. To many claims and not enough hard core evidence.
I personally believe that some brains have faulty wiring from birth just like any organ can be defective. I don't know that we ever be able to cure people like that with the right supplements.
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