Posted by djmmm on January 2, 2007, at 9:41:39
In reply to General Maoi Tip, posted by willyee on January 1, 2007, at 8:34:20
> This is not news,HOWEVER just to share my experiance,as far as your common Maois,Parnate/Nardil/Liq deprenyl/emsam,
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> One thing a new person migt want to consider before hand.
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> With exception of course,if you choose to go on one of these,take head of a very VERY likly chance you will devolp insomnia.
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> Maois impact sleep,its a side effect that is simply extremly common.I personaly feel a person going on one might actualy benifit from this,how so?Well.....
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> 1. Ive noticed that letting the drug actualy keep you up half,if not an entire night,will impact its therputic effect when taking it the next morning.
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> Its only natural to think that a strong drug will have a different effect on a person in regards to the sleep they had.
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> For example,coffee on a person who slept well usualy,(if they are a coffee drinker) will give them just enough nudge to awaken them to the degree of light stimulation.
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> Now coffee on a person up all night,can create a maniac type of feel,look,i know ive seen people up all night down coffee,and well there eyes dilate and it looks as if they are on a speed ball,they look high,sometimes talking fast and acting very maniac.
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> Now again i cant speak for everyone,however i found this to be true for myself.My maoi dose is decedied upon the amount of sleep i had.When im out of ambien and not sleeping,i respond very badly to parnate.
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> I say this to possably give new users a head start,meaning perhaps prepare for this,speak to your docter and begin or have in place a sleep aid right from the start,as insomnia is usualy worse on maois at the start.
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> I personaly would not worry to much about having to use a sleep aid on this level.I know people have beliefs on using sleep aids,HOWEVER understand that your not using it from left field,your using it to combat a serious side effect that can alter your success on the drug.
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> Last example is parnate can sometimes cause extreme fatigue,for me the actual best remedy has been a simple caffiene tab of 200 mg.
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> My faimly looks at me like im crazy,and they are half right,alone id NEVER EVER want or be able to tolerate pure caffiene,HOWEVER using it to combat this fatique,well on these occasions the strong stimulation is barly appearent,and if it does its job the most that i feel is less fatigue from the parnate.
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> Hopefully this makes sense,HAPPY NEW YEAR BTW,lets hope we see more success both here and everywhere and take a more steeper step forward aganist this horrid illness in 2007.I've taken Nardil, Parnate, and now Selegiline (liquid deprenyl citrate). Both Nardil and Parnate caused some degree of insomnia. On Nardil, I simply slept less-- I typically woke up at 5 in the morning. With Parnate, I had slightly more problems getting to sleep, but overall sleep was fine. My solution (after trying many sleep medications) was melatonin. It seems to have "corrected" any sleep problem associated with my use of MAOIs. FWIW, I haven't had any problems with sleep while on Selegiline-- however, I do take 3mg of melatonin every night...
For Parnate users, taking your second daily dose before noon, helps tremendously with the insomnia I did for me, at least). I always thought it was interesting that Nardil caused more sleep problems for me (insomina, sleep attacks, REM rebound) since it was less stimulating than Parnate...For what it's worth, the MAOIs have saved my life-- I'd take dealing with insomnia over contemplating suicide anyday.
If anyone cares...
currently taking:
4mg Selegiline (liquid deprenyl citrate)
.5mg of Klonopin (down from 4mg!)
500mg of phenyethylamine
multi amino acid supplement
muti-vitamin
super b-complex
melatonin
poster:djmmm
thread:718137
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