Posted by SLS on January 1, 2007, at 9:07:30
In reply to General Maoi Tip, posted by willyee on January 1, 2007, at 8:34:20
Thanks, Will. Happy New Year to you to. I wish for you only the best.
One of the things that happens to me when an MAOI is going to work well is that I experience near total insomnia. This time around with Nardil, I did not experience insomnia at all, and gleaned only a brief and mild antidepressant response. I had been optimistic despite this, though. I try not to pretend that my current understanding of the brain is sufficient to predict response versus non-response to treatments. However, I bet I could get one hell of a rebound mania if I were to discontinue the nortriptyline cold turkey and continue the Nardil. I've experienced this twice with Nardil and and other TCAs (imipramine and amitriptyline).
Do you have any ideas on what else I can add to Nardil? At this point, I think it makes sense for me to drop the Nardil so I can move on to other things. I have had to temporarily discontinue it because of side effects at 75mg. I have been fainting and unable to urinate. This is most certainly potentiated by the nortriptyline.
Currently:Nardil (temporarily discontinued)
nortriptyline 100mg
Lamictal 150mg
Topamax 100mg
Abilify 10mg
- Scott
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> This is not news,HOWEVER just to share my experiance,as far as your common Maois,Parnate/Nardil/Liq deprenyl/emsam,
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> One thing a new person migt want to consider before hand.
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> With exception of course,if you choose to go on one of these,take head of a very VERY likly chance you will devolp insomnia.
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> Maois impact sleep,its a side effect that is simply extremly common.I personaly feel a person going on one might actualy benifit from this,how so?Well.....
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> 1. Ive noticed that letting the drug actualy keep you up half,if not an entire night,will impact its therputic effect when taking it the next morning.
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> Its only natural to think that a strong drug will have a different effect on a person in regards to the sleep they had.
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> For example,coffee on a person who slept well usualy,(if they are a coffee drinker) will give them just enough nudge to awaken them to the degree of light stimulation.
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> Now coffee on a person up all night,can create a maniac type of feel,look,i know ive seen people up all night down coffee,and well there eyes dilate and it looks as if they are on a speed ball,they look high,sometimes talking fast and acting very maniac.
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> Now again i cant speak for everyone,however i found this to be true for myself.My maoi dose is decedied upon the amount of sleep i had.When im out of ambien and not sleeping,i respond very badly to parnate.
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> I say this to possably give new users a head start,meaning perhaps prepare for this,speak to your docter and begin or have in place a sleep aid right from the start,as insomnia is usualy worse on maois at the start.
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> I personaly would not worry to much about having to use a sleep aid on this level.I know people have beliefs on using sleep aids,HOWEVER understand that your not using it from left field,your using it to combat a serious side effect that can alter your success on the drug.
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> Last example is parnate can sometimes cause extreme fatigue,for me the actual best remedy has been a simple caffiene tab of 200 mg.
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> My faimly looks at me like im crazy,and they are half right,alone id NEVER EVER want or be able to tolerate pure caffiene,HOWEVER using it to combat this fatique,well on these occasions the strong stimulation is barly appearent,and if it does its job the most that i feel is less fatigue from the parnate.
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> Hopefully this makes sense,HAPPY NEW YEAR BTW,lets hope we see more success both here and everywhere and take a more steeper step forward aganist this horrid illness in 2007.
poster:SLS
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