Posted by rick_number1001@yahoo.com on August 25, 2001, at 12:02:17
In reply to Re: MOST EFFECTIVE MED FOR SOCIAL PHOBIA! , posted by Lynne on June 8, 2000, at 0:03:12
I think the research (and experts agree) that Nardil
is more effective than Paxil for Social Phobia.
(My experience too by a longshot).With both antidepressants a higher dose is required
for more severe cases.Unfortunately both of these drugs produce significant
sexual side effects at the high doses.
(ie; Paxil 30-50mg and Nardil 90mg)
In my case over comparable dose ranges Nardil had
LESS side effects than Paxil, Zoloft, and Celexa.
Only Prozac had fewer. (Luvox was a bad experience).Though I never went over 30 Paxil, I experienced
as much negative sexual side effects at that dose
than I did at the usual max dose of Nardil, 90mg90mg Nardil was VERY effective for me - 2 years
straight taken all by itself.I can claim nothing close for an SSRI.
Also, Nardil (poop out) is due to doctors not
knowing about it. Nardil dose needs to escalate
1 tablet every 1-3 weeks (when the good effects
start to diminish). As with a benzodiazepine,
dose escalation stops at the "therapeutic dose
level". Usually this is 60-90mg.I HIGHLY recommend Nardil if other meds are not
satisfactory to you.
Also, John Marshall's book "Social Phobia" is
EXCELLENT. He runs U. of Wisc. Psychiatric clinic.Good luck - I hope you give it a try and report
back!!!Craig (rick_number1001@yahoo.com to be anonymous)
http://www.socialfear.com
> > > DOES ANYONE KNOW IF NARDIL IS MORE EFFECTIVE AGAINST
> > > SOCIAL PHOBIA THAN PAXIL?! I KNOW EVERYONE REACTS
> > > DIFFERENTLY TO MEDICATIONS, BUT WHAT SEEMS TO USUALLY
> > > BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE MED FOR SOCIAL PHOBIA?!
> > > ANY INPUT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!
> > >
> > > THANX,
> > > Z
> >
> > Disclaimer: We do all respond differently, depending on what chemistry is at fault causing the social phobia.
> >
> > Having said that, the best 100% effective medication I've ever taken for social phobia symptoms is Adrafinil. You can mailorder it for about $30 from overseas. I've tried EVERYTHING except Nardil or Parnate. Adrafinil is far superior to anything else normally prescribed for social phobial.
> >
> > Here is a little info I found on it. Notice how it says passive people become more outgoing and talkative. I can personally attest to that as being true. I've always been the shy guy in the corner, all my life. Not any more. I'm perfectly comfortable in any group of people. What's the secret? Adrafinil.
> >
> >
> > ADRAFINIL (Olmifon)
> >
> > Rapidly restores vigilance and alertness in older people and the physically and mentally tired. Has a powerful
> > antidepressant action far superior to that of fluoxetine (Prozac) and clomipramine (Anafranil) and is without any serious
> > side effects. Adrafinil restores your powers of concentration, memory and intellectual function. When administered to
> > older people who have lost interest in life, adrafinil makes them want to take part in life again and they find that they
> > have renewed energy and vigor. Adrafinil may be correctly described as an anti-aging drug because it directly combats
> > degeneration in the part of the brain that allows you to take pleasure in life. Elderly people very often have disturbed
> > sleep patterns and take many naps during the day. Adrafinil restores a youthful sleep/wake cycle of full alertness in the
> > daytime and deep restorative sleep at night. After several weeks of treatment with Adrafinil daytime sleepiness
> > disappears, interest in intellectual activity is restored and depression lifts. It is very important to note that this improved
> > quality of alertness is NOT accompanied with mental excitation and insomnia as occurs with amphetamine or caffeine.
> > The correct dosage is 300 to 600 mg per day. The dosage can be adjusted according to response. Remember it takes
> > three weeks for all the effects of Adrafinil to become apparent. Do not use Adrafinil if you have any type of kidney or liver
> > problem or if you suffer from epilepsy.
> >
> >
> > ADRAFINIL: What is; (a.k.a. Olmifon) (Description & information below)
> > NOTE:not to be confused with "Anafranil (a.k.a. clomipramine)" the Antidepressant.
> >
> > Adrafinil provides alertness in most without the feeling often felt with stimulants that usually are prescribed for a person with
> > narcolepsy. Such as amphetamines etc. Also the possibility of tolerance is low with its continued use. There is however a
> > need for certain Liver function tests
> > on a regular basis with its continued use. Normally the same types of required testing as with the medication " cylert " which is
> > commonly prescribed in the USA. It is also used in certain parts europe as a "antidepressant". It is the combination of
> > Adrafinil's releasing stimulantive arousal effect(s), and its antidepressant effects that some doctors in europe recommend
> > Adrafinil over its newer form of Modafinil. There have been studies done in the United States "measuring depression in
> > individuals with sleep disorders",. In one study it was suggested that the
> > "rate of narcolepsy and depression is estimated to be between 30-52%".
> >
> > ADRAFINIL
> >
> >
> > Adrafinil: Alertness Without Stimulation
> >
> > Adrafinil is the prototype of a new class of smart drug - the eugeroics (ie, "good arousal") - designed to promote vigilance
> > and alertness. Developed by the French pharmaceutical company Lafon Laboratories, adrafinil (brand name, Olmifon) has
> > been approved in many European countries for treating narcolepsy, a condition characterized by excessive daytime sleepiness
> > and other unusual symptoms.
> >
> > Non-narcoleptic users generally find that adrafinil gives them increased energy and reduces fatigue, while improving cognitive
> > function, mental focus, concentration, and memory. It has been reported that quiet people who take adrafinil become more
> > talkative, reserved people become more open, and passive people become more active.
> >
> > Of course, many stimulant drugs, ranging from caffeine to methamphetamine, are known to produce similar alerting/energizing
> > effects. Adrafinil has been described by some users as a "kinder, gentler" stimulant, because it provides these benefits but
> > usually with much less of the anxiety, agitation, insomnia, associated with conventional stimulants.
> >
> > Adrafinil's effects are more subtle than those of the stimulants you may be used to, building over a period of days to months.
> > They appear to be based on its ability to selectively stimulate 1-adrenergic receptors in the brain.2 These receptors normally
> > respond to norepinephrine (noradrenaline), a neurotransmitter linked to alertness, learning, and memory. This is in contrast to
> > conventional stimulants, which stimulate a broader spectrum of brain receptors, including those involving dopamine. Its more
> > focused activity profile may account for adrafinil's relative lack of adverse side effects.
> >
> > Dosing
> >
> > The standard dose is 2 to 4 300-mg tablets per day for improving cognitive function, although some people may find lower
> > doses produce a desirable degree of improvement. Higher doses have been used to treat narcolepsy.
>
>
> What doseage did you start out with?
>
> did you take it all at one time? How long before you noticed the effects?
>
> Thanks, Lynne
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