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Posted by linkadge on February 20, 2006, at 8:50:49
In reply to Re: tumeric, posted by robot on February 19, 2006, at 19:38:46
Turmeric does have antidepressant proeprties. It is a MAO-A, MAO-B inhibitor.
It is a strong anti-inflamitory, so the point has been rased about weather or not it is safe to take high doses in that regard.
My current regiment is:
Vitamin Pill
Inositol 1g
Fish Oil (1g EPA)
Zinc + Magnesium
50-100g cocoa powder
5-6g turmeric powder.
Note, chocolate also contains some compounds (beta carbolines) that are reversable inhibitors of MAO-A and B. I am feeling much better than I ever did on pharmacudicals. My day is simply getting easier because my general cognition is returning.Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on February 20, 2006, at 8:51:58
In reply to Re: WOW Cocoa and Inositol, posted by JayDee on February 19, 2006, at 20:59:49
Cocoa contains fat, but I don't think unsweetened cocoa contains sugar, it is bitter as he**.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on February 20, 2006, at 8:54:07
In reply to Re: WOW Cocoa and Inositol » linkadge, posted by rod on February 20, 2006, at 8:25:58
Well, part of the fun is trying new things.
Over the years, through experimentation, one finds things that seem to work the best.
I've been taking fish oil constantly for 7 years now.
It needs to be played by ear. Sometimes supplement effects don't last forever. Sometimes unique livetime circumstances require stronger effects :)
Take Care
Linadge
Posted by honeybee on February 20, 2006, at 15:51:03
In reply to Re: tumeric, posted by linkadge on February 20, 2006, at 8:50:49
Linkdage,
How many different kinds of supplements do you think that you've tried in that time? Greatest hits?
hb
Posted by robot on February 20, 2006, at 17:04:50
In reply to Re: WOW Cocoa and Inositol, posted by linkadge on February 20, 2006, at 8:45:00
Thats alot of cocoa... I just picked up some but I think Ill just do a few grams.
Also, picked up inositol for the first time, need to read up on it. I hate trying 2 things at once for the first time but I just might this time.> No I've just been consuming about 75 grams of pure cocoa powder a day.
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Posted by robot on February 20, 2006, at 17:19:29
In reply to WOW Cocoa and Inositol, posted by linkadge on February 17, 2006, at 11:13:01
Is myo-inositol the best kind?
What about other kinds? I just picked up plain old inositol, $10 Solaray brand and IM afraid I wasted my money.
> Try 1 gram of inositol, and Cocoa 75 + grams.
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> The cocoa can be bought bulk, it is hard to down (split it up), but the combination is really really mood brightening !!
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Posted by Loops on February 20, 2006, at 20:20:32
In reply to Re: WOW Cocoa and Inositol, posted by robot on February 20, 2006, at 17:19:29
Hi -
cocoa is a strange substance - I've been drinking this twice a day for the past month or so as cocoa on its own is low-carb (and I am following lc eating right now). I find it helps me sleep - I always thought that was due to the magnesium content. If you're wondering about it's nutritional content go to nutritiondata.com and enter it in the box. However nutritiondata doesn't tell you everything of course.
Glad you're having such success Linkage - it's about time no?
Loops
Posted by linkadge on February 21, 2006, at 10:21:34
In reply to Re: WOW Cocoa and Inositol, posted by Loops on February 20, 2006, at 20:20:32
Cocoa also helps me sleep! Chocolate contains certain compounds that inhibit the reputake of anandamide.
Anandamide is an endocannabanoid that helps to regulate sleep and pain preception.
Linkadge
Posted by robot on February 21, 2006, at 20:40:40
In reply to Re: WOW Cocoa and Inositol, posted by linkadge on February 21, 2006, at 10:21:34
Wow. The gram or so of cocoa really relaxed me, made me motivated, had the best session of playing guitar/singing list night that Ive had in a LONG time. Skipped the inositol for time being. Playing better, and enjoying it alot.
BUT. I took it in the late afternoon and even at 2 am, when I went to bed, I just could NOT get to sleep. I felt so activated. NOw, I have been meditating alot lately (which decreases my need for sleep) and taking caffeine (tea) in the afternoons, but I was doing this in the days before and never had any trouble getting to sleep. FInally did get to sleep, but woke up like 1.5 hours later.
My mind's eye was clearer, remembered in more detail a person I knew a long time ago. Definitely not a placebo effect. My whole body felt softer.
Took 500 mg inositol and 1.5mg melatonin and that helped me sleep.
Today took 1 tblspoon of cocoa before work and it made me more social, generally more *interested*. Feeling more connected to myself, my memories, the world, that kind of thing.
Certainly makes me feel unhungry.> Cocoa also helps me sleep! Chocolate contains certain compounds that inhibit the reputake of anandamide.
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Posted by LOOPS on February 22, 2006, at 11:15:21
In reply to Re: WOW Cocoa and Inositol, posted by robot on February 21, 2006, at 20:40:40
Regarding sleep -
cocoa is quite high in copper, which might upset sleep? I know that zinc seems to help me sleep (along with Ca/Mg). Also things which have a motivational effect on me usually end up giving me insomnia.
Loops
Posted by linkadge on February 22, 2006, at 16:23:20
In reply to Re: WOW Cocoa and Inositol, posted by robot on February 21, 2006, at 20:40:40
I love running, and I found that the beneficial effects of running were enhanced by dark chocolate, but not light milk chocolate.
I've reduced my regime to a vitamin pill, fish oil, and lots of cocoa.Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on February 22, 2006, at 16:26:14
In reply to Re: WOW Cocoa and Inositol, posted by LOOPS on February 22, 2006, at 11:15:21
I found that time released vitamin C (500-1000mg) can really help agitation that develops near bedtime for myself.
Vitamin C, has antiglutamatergic, and antidopaminergic effects, it also reduces cortisol. It had always worked as a chill pill if I had too much coffee during the day.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on February 22, 2006, at 16:28:15
In reply to Re: WOW Cocoa and Inositol, posted by linkadge on February 22, 2006, at 16:26:14
Posted by linkadge on February 22, 2006, at 16:30:58
In reply to See www.chocolate.org (nm), posted by linkadge on February 22, 2006, at 16:28:15
If you really want a boost, you can take your cocoa with fo-ti, a chineese herb which is probably one of the strongest documented herbal MAO-B inhibitors.
Be carefull, this is intense!
It'll get you out of the bed in the morning though.
Linkadge
Posted by LOOPS on February 23, 2006, at 6:27:34
In reply to Re: See www.chocolate.org, posted by linkadge on February 22, 2006, at 16:30:58
I think it's so cool when we discover something simple and natural that really helps - it does seem rather obvious that chocolate (or rather, the REAL stuff cocoa) should have such a positive effect on mood. Then again, it is easy to get blinded by the bajillion new supplements/vitamins that promise this and that (not saying they don't help mind).
So I'm interested in vitamin C and cortisol - you recken 1g will lower cortisol albeit temporarily? I can only get the ascorbic pills here (gnc) so I alwyas worry about overdoing it and getting a P imbalance.
My sleep is crrrap right now and I keep getting ill with chest infections. I'm on zopiclone every night to sleep, plus 1000 supplements that SHOULD induce sleep, but never really do the job. At least now after a week the zopiclone isn't making me depressed in the day.
Ooops, hijack waffle - sorry! I'm off to find some cocoa.
Loops
Posted by linkadge on February 23, 2006, at 10:40:19
In reply to Hi Linkadge, posted by LOOPS on February 23, 2006, at 6:27:34
I found that the combination of vitamin C, and melatonin worked well.
Yeah, vitamin C has one of its highest concentrations in the adrenal glands. It is recomended to body builders as an anticatabolic agent.
Vitamin C has some antipsychotic properties. It can antagonize the effects of many stimulants in animal models.
I find that if I have had coffee too late in the day, and I am a little too wired, that vitamin C can help me unwire.
BTW, cocoa also has a high content of substances called beta carbolines. THey are present in tobacco smoke and are reversable inhibitors of MAO-A, and MAO-B. To what degree a heavy chocolate consumer can alter MAO is still in question however.Linkadge
Posted by LOOPS on February 23, 2006, at 14:39:34
In reply to Re: Hi Linkadge, posted by linkadge on February 23, 2006, at 10:40:19
How much melatonin did you take?
I was taking 1mg every night with much success - recently it stopped working, which is not unusual I believe. Should I up my dose or what? I take a bunch of stuff to sleep, then 1/2 my zopiclone/ambien if I still can't 'get there'.
I noticed the only night so far I didn't have to take a sleeping pill, was the night I took extra zinc and vitamin C (in addition to the usual stuff). Oh, and thiamin seems to help, but that's probably because I still drink wine.
Cocoa give me acne - but I don't care, it tastes good (although not as good as before I started taking Mg).
Loops
Posted by linkadge on February 23, 2006, at 15:09:47
In reply to Re: Hi Linkadge, posted by LOOPS on February 23, 2006, at 14:39:34
If I do take melatonin I usually take 3mg. I have noticed that after a break of 3-4 days it usually works again.
Its good to have an armorarium of sleep aids, then you can cycle them as necessary.
Linkadge
Posted by JayDee on February 24, 2006, at 21:48:19
In reply to Re: Hi Linkadge, posted by linkadge on February 23, 2006, at 15:09:47
WOW, 75grams??? LOL!
where are you buying cocoa? the grocery store????I'm with you on the Fo-Ti. If i take about 1.8 grams it's quite powerful.
I get a chocolate buzz from a Kit-kat bar, and it makes a huge differnence in personality and cognition, while it works. I gotta try this cocoa. :)
Posted by linkadge on February 25, 2006, at 9:59:07
In reply to Re: Hi Linkadge Linkadge » linkadge, posted by JayDee on February 24, 2006, at 21:48:19
The foti is one of the strongest herbal MAO-B inhibitors. Probably as valuble as deprenyl.
But taking chocolate with fo-ti is really strong. If you've ever smoked pot, there is a very similar feeling.
It was strange, I looked around my neighbourhood and nothing looked familliar. It was like I had jumped into an altranate dimention, so much detail that never existed.
Carefull, if you have a history of psychosis or anything like that !
Linkadge
Posted by robot on February 26, 2006, at 13:52:52
In reply to Re: Hi Linkadge Linkadge, posted by linkadge on February 25, 2006, at 9:59:07
Gotta try this. Ill take a low dose.
Thanks so much again for the info about cocoa... Im taking only a teaspoon a day (along w/ tsp cinnamon and tsp spirulina) in the morning and its a great effect. Ive noticed that my chi energy is higher--Ive never been able to feel it this much especially during my tai chi class. The best thing is it just helps with my mood.
Id like to take more, but it keeps me up at night, unlike you folks. :-(
Any ideas about taking dl-phenylalanine with it? Ive read that folate + dl-phenyl is supposed to be good for opiate production.> The foti is one of the strongest herbal MAO-B inhibitors. Probably as valuble as deprenyl.
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Posted by robot on February 27, 2006, at 20:27:35
In reply to Re: Hi Linkadge Linkadge, posted by robot on February 26, 2006, at 13:52:52
BTW- what kind of doses do you need to take to get the effect from fo-ti and cocoa?
> Gotta try this. Ill take a low dose.
> Thanks so much again for the info about cocoa... Im taking only a teaspoon a day (along w/ tsp cinnamon and tsp spirulina) in the morning and its a great effect. Ive noticed that my chi energy is higher--Ive never been able to feel it this much especially during my tai chi class. The best thing is it just helps with my mood.
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Posted by linkadge on February 27, 2006, at 21:51:52
In reply to Re: Hi Linkadge Linkadge, posted by robot on February 27, 2006, at 20:27:35
I remember getting a real strong effect from 700mg fo-ti extract and one bar of dark chocolate (probably cointained about 40-50g of cocoa)
It was definately more pronounced if I ate the darker chocolate bar (75g of chocolate)
But this was very strong, althought I've never taken an illegal stimulant (just a bit of marajuanna), I can only imagine.
Linkadge
Posted by itsme2003 on March 15, 2006, at 0:01:57
In reply to Re: Hi Linkadge Linkadge, posted by linkadge on February 27, 2006, at 21:51:52
One of the earlier posters mentioned taking Cinnamon. Cinnamon is a great supplement. I have read in quite a few places that some of the lipid soluable components will accumulate in your body if you consume more than a few grams a day of cinnamon. To consume a larger amount you should use a water-based extract such as cinnulin. You can purchase it in capsules or as a bulk supplement.
Posted by qqqsimmons on April 14, 2006, at 13:53:32
In reply to Caution about cinnamon, posted by itsme2003 on March 15, 2006, at 0:01:57
anybody other than me experience a stimulating effect (sleeplessness / early waking) due to cinnamon??? I was taking lots (a tablespoon or two per day) of the regular dietary form.
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