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Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 1, 2009, at 19:56:02
This thing is marketed massive in doctor's offices. Yet "No" is always said. Well excuse me, then you need to put down my name for exclusion's and that includes the infomation on the medication and "NO" on it. That will make it market better.
Posted by Maxime on November 1, 2009, at 21:34:37
In reply to This tick's me off, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 1, 2009, at 19:56:02
But RJ, you abuse stims. No one is going to give them to you. I know it doesn't seem fair but it's what is right. You can't take stims because of your addiction.
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 1, 2009, at 22:40:28
In reply to Re: This tick's me off » rjlockhart04-08, posted by Maxime on November 1, 2009, at 21:34:37
Yea, I mean is this true once your an addict to something, yet you realize how vital it helped life and dispair about it and make it a mental mindset to shape a new character, [which talk is cheap]. I mean is a black box..for abuse.
I wished I could start over, yet the choice of a moral descion in common sense of just taking a medication correctly, there's no problem, yet it's a memory of doing it that will get in the way. what "re-dosing" , and I did it in the past. I can't really make any Justifications for it,
People implied that this is for abuse, and it will alway's happen once it's happened before in the past. It's like you tell you someone don't walk on the railroad, your going to get your foot caught at sometime and their is a risk of being runover and killed by a train, risk of death. a angel on the right shoulder, and a devil on the left...the angel provides insight "this is a way to death" and a devil says "it's going to feel great, you won't be killed" it's temptation...over wisdom. In the past, I blew it.
Ugh, I don't know, but I am seriously looking at a new character to build, and knowing all the faults of the past and where they lead. There is a path to life, and there is a path to death.
That's all;) I like to blog.
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 1, 2009, at 22:56:07
In reply to This tick's me off, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 1, 2009, at 19:56:02
That's like advertising something like Methadone. "Kevin doesnt feel good so he takes his Methadone" as a marketing statement. That's what's on the Vyvanse website, like "Fran cannot concentrate, but when she takes Vyvanse[d-amphetamine] she is at her best at yakkin and getting things done. I mean seriously...
What next? Antidepressant nation?
Posted by Phillipa on November 1, 2009, at 23:45:21
In reply to Re: This tick's me off, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 1, 2009, at 22:56:07
Yes the advertising at times can be a bit much. Love Phillipa
Posted by ColoradoSnowflake on November 2, 2009, at 13:54:29
In reply to Re: This tick's me off, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 1, 2009, at 22:56:07
RJ:
Why don't you go to N.A or C.A. meetings? (I've been going to A.A. for over 15 years).
I think you'd really like the meetings and they would help you so much with looking at your meds and addiction in a whole new way. They make you get off the blame-game and the pity-pot. You will grow in emotional/spiritual ways you never dreamed of. You could learn to be your own adult man!
It's made a world of difference to me!!Best wishes,
Gayle
Posted by West on November 2, 2009, at 14:51:47
In reply to Re: This tick's me off, posted by ColoradoSnowflake on November 2, 2009, at 13:54:29
I think Colorado Snowlflake is right, it sounds like a good idea. Sharing eases the burden.
Posted by Maxime on November 2, 2009, at 16:44:39
In reply to Re: This tick's me off, posted by ColoradoSnowflake on November 2, 2009, at 13:54:29
I think Colorado Snowflake's idea is right on. Why don't you try it? It may be the exact thing you are looking for.
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 3, 2009, at 13:51:09
In reply to Re: This tick's me off, posted by Maxime on November 2, 2009, at 16:44:39
I've been to N.A meeting before in 2006. See the thing is, I just take my meds, and their antidepressant's and also Xanax and Nuvigel which i've taken over the years [not nuvigel]. The thing, is it more say that if you take meds daily it's an addiction?
That's what I don't understand, stimulants [which I take Nuvigel] which is a non-amphetamine stimulant, yet it works well. It's just that in the past I would re-dose during studying..
When I went to NA meetings they usally where with harsher substances, like methamphetamine and crack cocaine. Yet, if you refuse to accept that you had a problem their, it get's addressed, they help look at how it was an "addiction" and was it more "dependence' which...the only diffrence is that controlled substances are viewed more to addiction, yet Nuvigel is a catagory 4, and I take everyday just as prescibed. Just in the past, I abused stimulants some and that gave me bad rep. and it get's addressed when you go because in denial...you don't see or accept it, in those meeting they will logically say if you are an "addict" because you have to give a testimony or share with people what happened.
There's one I useed to go to about 30miles from where I live. Right now I talked to a social worker and told what was going on, thinking about having transitional housing [moving out yet your supported for a disablity] see a doctor and such.
Thanks.
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 3, 2009, at 13:57:19
In reply to Re: This tick's me off, posted by West on November 2, 2009, at 14:51:47
Yea...yet sometimes when I speak I just can't stay on subject. Took Geodon for a while too put out racing thoughts yet really it's just getting on a medication that works. Ritilin helps alot in those aspect's but the longer acting forms work better [concerta].
Alot times I don't want to be labeled the wrong thing, because those vary medication improved social skills, and cognitive, the only thing is there was abuse in the past, I don't take it anymore and i'm fine just things are more difficult to get done, yet they still can get done.
Thanks
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 3, 2009, at 13:59:07
In reply to Re: This tick's me off, posted by Phillipa on November 1, 2009, at 23:45:21
yes, and I think i shouldnt of done this post because it's just irrating some people.
Your doctor may give you a pen that has "Concerta" on it! wow! that's some adverstising!
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 3, 2009, at 14:11:46
In reply to Re: This tick's me off, posted by Maxime on November 2, 2009, at 16:44:39
I'm starting work today...don't know what's to come. The wellbutrin is the closest thing that can get to improved focus, yet it has a indirect effect, than Ritilin. Which maybe better in a circumstance, yet the vary medication that "worked" which where Dexedrine Spanusles 60mg daily...worked over Vyvanse, Adderall, I would take 2in the morning and 2 at 3pm and that was a coverage period. Yet, was discontined because there was just times I would take 1-2 more, and that just "collapsed" proper treatment, now it's just the side options like Clonodine..Wellbutrin..Provigel [nuvigel] and vitamens....that improve mental fuction, maybe Concerta is in the picture because it's just taken once in the morning.
Just have to accept what is, and not complain..just my view...
I went to NA meetings, some are pain killer addiction, then other's are more like crack cocaine, and street methamphetamine, along with some other's I just can't think of at the time. I just didnt relate to those people because that was hard core usage of street substances. My only thing was just taking a simple medication correctly.
Anyways, thanks for you imput maxime.
Posted by Maxime on November 3, 2009, at 14:57:10
In reply to maxime, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 3, 2009, at 14:11:46
Good luck with your new job. I wish you the best!
Posted by ColoradoSnowflake on November 3, 2009, at 21:20:59
In reply to Re: maxime » rjlockhart04-08, posted by Maxime on November 3, 2009, at 14:57:10
RJ:
That's fantastic you are working!!
And I'm so happy you are maybe going into transitional housing!!! That should be great!Ernie Larson says "Nothing changes if nothing changes" and that's the truth. You will be changing major things!!
Good luck!!
Gayle
Posted by West on November 4, 2009, at 17:04:29
In reply to maxime, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 3, 2009, at 14:11:46
I suppose you have to weigh things up: clearly having healthy peer relationships and a job is more important than being some machine-like suprahuman.
Listen to some johhny flynn or the xx, they remind me of what's good about going slow in a world convinced that progression lies in doing things quicker (thinking of the US).
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 4, 2009, at 21:34:35
In reply to Re: maxime, posted by West on November 4, 2009, at 17:04:29
The thing is [don't want to make drama out of myself] is I was put on stimulants [adderall] in the 7th grade and it improved work because the rate I was going I was failing [and the trend today is to put your kid on Ritilin type medications if they don't progress]
It just improves concentration and what is like a "big" flag is I took just a little bit more than I was suppost too, and I confessed to it, and that went "eee" bad! And I think that If you had those thought's in the past, they will stay [like taking an extra for studying] yet anything seen as amphetamine is considered passed an adult age is "speed" to people who know addiction because Dexedrine say's "abuse prone" on the bag, and that's correct. Yet...I just can't really say, how much it helped yet knowing the past of misuse goodness I wished I had another chance, but for now, it's off. Just go on with life.
One thing about addiction: I think if you "like" a paticualar substance, or activty, it's more likely your going to over-like it and make it part of you life. Yet, a good thing to break addiction is do something that society does like eat delcious food, wine [depends], going to a social and making good friends[which is very difficult for me but it can be done], watching tv or browing the internet [be aware of those tracking cookies! they follow and see where you've been! yum yum! sounds like fun!
So narrowing it down to things people or society see as "normal" like sitting back and relaxin', but sometimes that's difficult for me.
I don't want to say i'm disabled but there are some social aspect's that really I lack.
Anyways, thanks....
Posted by West on November 5, 2009, at 16:37:20
In reply to Re: west, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on November 4, 2009, at 21:34:35
Hey Rj don't pretend as if you're not taking some big steps. Sice you grew up with stimulants, you'll still take that with you. But be mindful that the thoughts you thought, and decisions you made, were still you, even whilst on them.
Cultivate your sense of self hood. What makes you different. And follow your interests: be as eccentric as possible. As you suggest- develop a pallette for wine , obsess over english gothic architecture, enroll in a zoology course or study from home , go wall climbing then working your way up to mountaineering, or lean to cook french food exquisitely, become a farm hand-whatever-the only condition is it should bring you joy and delight. Success is taking pleasure in good work.
With any luck, new paths will begin to reveal themselves themselves and as you gain confidence, life will become richer all round.
If however nothing holds your interest, then you probably still need time to recover and treat the causes underpinning this. This is very important. False starts only set back recovery and knock confidence, something I can testify from personal experience. Luck, as usual, is a force unto itself and cannot be accounted for.
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