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Posted by snapper on July 4, 2006, at 4:11:22
In reply to Re: Can't remember name of med - HELP » Racer, posted by Maxime on July 3, 2006, at 23:07:21
> But how do people obtain it? It's not available in North America?
>
> MaximeHi Maxime, 7 to 8 years ago I actually had my pdoc write a SCRIPT for Reboxetine (non-controlled or approved ) in US yet, and I legitimately ordered it from an overseas Pharmacy. By the way Dr. Bob I am not suggesting anything as far as illegal or un-approved meds . If I am not mistaken, it IS legal for us in N america and Canada to request that out doc's write a script for meds that are not yet approved here. Maxime I hope that helps and Best of Luck to you!
Snapper
Posted by bassman on July 4, 2006, at 11:32:31
In reply to Can't remember name of med - HELP, posted by Maxime on July 3, 2006, at 22:15:04
You might be interested in this abstract:
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/77002748/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2006, at 12:09:28
In reply to Re: Can't remember name of med - HELP, posted by Racer on July 3, 2006, at 22:27:45
Yes that's the name I E-mailed Declan and he got back to me today. He said it has no side effects and is a mood enhancer Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2006, at 12:10:56
In reply to Re: Can't remember name of med - HELP » Phillipa, posted by Maxime on July 3, 2006, at 23:38:01
Maxie I thought you meant Ed he hasn't been around in a while. Love Jan
Posted by Maxime on July 4, 2006, at 19:45:07
In reply to Re: Can't remember name of med - HELP » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2006, at 12:10:56
Well i wasted my appointment. i couldn't talk at my appointment ... my depression is so bad that i couldn't express myself. i am no longer on an antidepressant, but i am back on Trileptal. i didn't ask about the stablon. in canada you would have go through health canada ... get their permission. tons of paperwork ... red tape.
so i wasted my appointment.loser.
maxime
Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2006, at 19:54:26
In reply to Re: Can't remember name of med - HELP, posted by Maxime on July 4, 2006, at 19:45:07
Maxie couldn't the doc see how depressed you were? So what meds total are you now on? Can you call on the phone? Love Jan
Posted by Maxime on July 4, 2006, at 20:38:22
In reply to Re: Can't remember name of med - HELP » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2006, at 19:54:26
> Maxie couldn't the doc see how depressed you were? So what meds total are you now on? Can you call on the phone? Love Jan
He could see. I am now on:
klonopin
trileptal
synthroid
Asthma medsNo I can't call on the phone. It's a privacy thing ... nothing personal. :-)
I know that it is only a matter of time before I end up being a statistic. I just have no idea of when.
Maxime
Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2006, at 20:43:36
In reply to Re: Can't remember name of med - HELP » Phillipa, posted by Maxime on July 4, 2006, at 20:38:22
Maxie I thought you were back on parnate? Are they nuts no AD? Love Jan
Posted by Maxime on July 4, 2006, at 21:20:57
In reply to Re: Can't remember name of med - HELP » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2006, at 20:43:36
> Maxie I thought you were back on parnate? Are they nuts no AD? Love Jan
Nope ... no AD. The parnate doesn't work for me anymore. There are no ADs left for me try. Hopeless.
Maxime
Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2006, at 21:35:15
In reply to Re: Can't remember name of med - HELP » Phillipa, posted by Maxime on July 4, 2006, at 21:20:57
Maxie what about EMSAM? Love Jan
Posted by snapper on July 5, 2006, at 2:06:03
In reply to Re: Can't remember name of med - HELP » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2006, at 21:35:15
Maxime, I know factually MANY of us here have been in your horrible spot before....and it feels oh so wothless, hopless and non-worth pursuing the next idea , thought or intervention and thread of hope to get to that nest step. WHAT do we need to do as your online friends need to do,(short of actually being there with you personally-:) to get you the help you have to have, to get back and keep riding and fighting the fight. ?? Please let me or any of us know what it is!!!
You DO NOT SEE THE POINT RIGHT NOW BUT WE DO. WHAT CAN WE DO FOR YOU TO KEEP SEEKING FOR HELP AND ANSWERS?!!
I am very serious
Snapper
Posted by bassman on July 5, 2006, at 5:46:03
In reply to Re: Can't remember name of med - HELP » Phillipa, posted by snapper on July 5, 2006, at 2:06:03
Very well put, Snapper. Most of us know the "I just can't do this for another day!" feeling-followed by a torrent of tears- (that's the way I experience it, anyway).
Maxime, we've been there and can and are willing to be of help-support-whatever. We've suffered/are suffering as you are now and want to be part of shortening that suffering for you. There is support in the world; there are med combinations that can help; and there are people that are concerned about you. Please keep writing...
Posted by Maxime on July 5, 2006, at 10:18:16
In reply to Re: Can't remember name of med - HELP » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2006, at 21:35:15
> Maxie what about EMSAM? Love Jan
Not available in Canada.
Maxime
Posted by Maxime on July 7, 2006, at 0:31:50
In reply to Re: Can't remember name of med - HELP, posted by Maxime on July 5, 2006, at 10:18:16
I think I am grieving right now. I'm grieving the loss of options. I know I shouldn't be stuck with the idea that a pill is going to save me from my own self-destruction ... but I am. When a pdoc tells you "you've tried all meds and you don't respond to them", it's hard news to swallow. More difficult than any pill.
Maxime
Posted by MidnightBlue on July 7, 2006, at 0:42:37
In reply to Lost for words, posted by Maxime on July 7, 2006, at 0:31:50
I'm sorry Maxime!
You haven't tried EVERY option. Just those that are available in Canada. I haven't given up on you yet. I know things look bleak, but circumstances can change. It is always darkest right before dawn.
Hugs,
MidnightBlue
> I think I am grieving right now. I'm grieving the loss of options. I know I shouldn't be stuck with the idea that a pill is going to save me from my own self-destruction ... but I am. When a pdoc tells you "you've tried all meds and you don't respond to them", it's hard news to swallow. More difficult than any pill.
>
> Maxime
Posted by Racer on July 7, 2006, at 1:54:53
In reply to Lost for words, posted by Maxime on July 7, 2006, at 0:31:50
Hey, Maxie. I'm sorry things seem so bleak to you right now. Does it help to know that I heard the same thing -- AND IT WASN'T TRUE??? I know you like your doctor, which is great, but you know what? That doesn't mean he's thought of everything.
I have to ask you, though -- what would it take for you to feel better? If it was a change in your life, what change would it be? If it was a drug, what would the drug do? What symptoms would go away to make your life bearable? Positively pleasurable? What would "feeling better" look like for you? What can we offer here -- besides our support and affection -- that might help you?
Take good care of yourself, and don't forget you maybe could email someone you know... ;-)
Posted by Phillipa on July 7, 2006, at 21:56:08
In reply to Lost for words, posted by Maxime on July 7, 2006, at 0:31:50
Maxie grieving is a good thing. Today after two years I think I'm done grieving my dog of l7yrs who died two years ago. We've been walking the one next door white like my Brandy was and we do have a black toy poodle like Sheeba the other dog we lost. And the light dawned. Maybe I'm too old to have any more real babies but I'm not too old to have another baby Brandy. I know it is a different dog. I found a cocapoo to day sp? . And tomorrow we will take our current Toy poodle to choose the one he likes best as a friend. This spirals as it will help to make me happy to have a white dog like Brandy back in my life. Responsibilities and all the work. But if I'm a bit happier maybe I can go back to work and nursing is the only thing that has ever made me feel truly worthwhile. I know these things are supposed to only be inside. But it works for me and those around me sometimes I'm so dense. But I think I finally found my own personal solution. Something to love and something I do take pride in as I won every award there was. So remember the volunteer work you did and how good it made you feel? Think about it that's all.Love Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on July 9, 2006, at 21:32:39
In reply to Re: Lost for words » Maxime, posted by Racer on July 7, 2006, at 1:54:53
Good question. It would take a lot for me to feel better. I would need to feel "lighter" (and I am not talking about my weight). I would regain some of the cognitive ability I have lost ... I am slower now. I would be able to handle social situations whereas now I just find the bathroom and I cry. I would handle stress better ... less crying. Yes, the crying is getting in the way of any form of normality. Instead of looking at buildings to jump off, I would admire them for their architecture. I would be able to handle doing my PhD which now just seems like a distant dream. I would smile. My face would show emotion.
These are just SOME of the changes I would need to see to feel happy ... or at least hopeful. Right now I have no hope and wish for death.
Maxime
> Hey, Maxie. I'm sorry things seem so bleak to you right now. Does it help to know that I heard the same thing -- AND IT WASN'T TRUE??? I know you like your doctor, which is great, but you know what? That doesn't mean he's thought of everything.
>
> I have to ask you, though -- what would it take for you to feel better? If it was a change in your life, what change would it be? If it was a drug, what would the drug do? What symptoms would go away to make your life bearable? Positively pleasurable? What would "feeling better" look like for you? What can we offer here -- besides our support and affection -- that might help you?
>
> Take good care of yourself, and don't forget you maybe could email someone you know... ;-)
Posted by Maxime on July 9, 2006, at 21:35:05
In reply to Re: Lost for words » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on July 7, 2006, at 21:56:08
I am glad you are finding things that are helping you.
Right now I don't find pleasure in anything. Nada.
I'm sorry.
Maxime
> Maxie grieving is a good thing. Today after two years I think I'm done grieving my dog of l7yrs who died two years ago. We've been walking the one next door white like my Brandy was and we do have a black toy poodle like Sheeba the other dog we lost. And the light dawned. Maybe I'm too old to have any more real babies but I'm not too old to have another baby Brandy. I know it is a different dog. I found a cocapoo to day sp? . And tomorrow we will take our current Toy poodle to choose the one he likes best as a friend. This spirals as it will help to make me happy to have a white dog like Brandy back in my life. Responsibilities and all the work. But if I'm a bit happier maybe I can go back to work and nursing is the only thing that has ever made me feel truly worthwhile. I know these things are supposed to only be inside. But it works for me and those around me sometimes I'm so dense. But I think I finally found my own personal solution. Something to love and something I do take pride in as I won every award there was. So remember the volunteer work you did and how good it made you feel? Think about it that's all.Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on July 9, 2006, at 21:42:41
In reply to Re: Lost for words » Phillipa, posted by Maxime on July 9, 2006, at 21:35:05
Maxie other than med have you tried? Calling one of the volunteer agencies you used to work for and hearing them say glad to hear from you and we desperately need your help. Would this Help? Love Jan
Posted by Maxime on July 9, 2006, at 22:18:40
In reply to Re: Lost for words » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on July 9, 2006, at 21:42:41
> Maxie other than med have you tried? Calling one of the volunteer agencies you used to work for and hearing them say glad to hear from you and we desperately need your help. Would this Help? Love Jan
Jan, I know this sounds mean and awful ... but it's my turn to get help. It's my turn to be on the receiving end of proper care and understanding. I give and I give and I give. I have always enjoyed it and never expected anything in return ... never. But now I have to look after me because to be honest, a suicide is in the air. And not one where the person survives.
God, I'm a selfish worthless bitch.
Maxime
Posted by Phillipa on July 9, 2006, at 22:28:10
In reply to Re: Lost for words » Phillipa, posted by Maxime on July 9, 2006, at 22:18:40
No Maxie you're not. But gaging from your response you are in really desperate need for help. If only I knew how to help you I would. Just keep writing I guess. Stay safe Maxie and if you can't you know where to go. Love Jan
Posted by bassman on July 10, 2006, at 6:05:38
In reply to Re: Lost for words » Racer, posted by Maxime on July 9, 2006, at 21:32:39
Hey, if you are working on your Ph.D. and it doesn't feel like a distant dream and you aren't crying, there is something really seriously wrong! :>) "The last true form of slavery", as we used to refer to it in grad school.
Maxine, I feel greatly for you, as obviously do many others on the board that know you more than from just your recent posts. I had a very similar period of depression (let me correct myself: no one knows how another person is suffering-all I can tell you is that I spent a lot of my day crying and so weak that I couldn't do anything-plus, of course, absolutely sleepless nights-and sure it would never end). The strangest thing happened: one day, it did end. No meds. It just ended. Amazing.
I know. I know. Right now, any positive story sounds like b*llshit. That's just where you are right now. That's O.K.
Please, please try to think of this like having the flu-you feel awful right now, but you will feel better in the future. Do ANYTHING you have to do to make life tolerable right now until you feel better-as you said-it's time to take care of you-and that's not selfish, right now, that's realistic. Hang in there...and stay in touch. I wanna read your thesis! :>}
bassman
Posted by Maxime on July 10, 2006, at 11:26:30
In reply to Re: Lost for words, posted by bassman on July 10, 2006, at 6:05:38
No, I am not doing my Ph.D. right now. I WANT to do it, but I know that now is not the time ... for many reasons.
Can one have a depression for years and then it just goes away?
I am to blame for part of my depression. I feel so guilty for complaining when part of it is my fault. I don't eat enough because of my eating disorder and I know that doesn't help a depressed brain. So it's MY fault. It's probably why many meds don't work either.
"Just shut up Maxime and jump off a building". That's what I am telling myself these days.
Nothing is right and everything is wrong.
Maxime
> Hey, if you are working on your Ph.D. and it doesn't feel like a distant dream and you aren't crying, there is something really seriously wrong! :>) "The last true form of slavery", as we used to refer to it in grad school.
>
> Maxine, I feel greatly for you, as obviously do many others on the board that know you more than from just your recent posts. I had a very similar period of depression (let me correct myself: no one knows how another person is suffering-all I can tell you is that I spent a lot of my day crying and so weak that I couldn't do anything-plus, of course, absolutely sleepless nights-and sure it would never end). The strangest thing happened: one day, it did end. No meds. It just ended. Amazing.
>
> I know. I know. Right now, any positive story sounds like b*llshit. That's just where you are right now. That's O.K.
>
> Please, please try to think of this like having the flu-you feel awful right now, but you will feel better in the future. Do ANYTHING you have to do to make life tolerable right now until you feel better-as you said-it's time to take care of you-and that's not selfish, right now, that's realistic. Hang in there...and stay in touch. I wanna read your thesis! :>}
> bassman
Posted by bassman on July 10, 2006, at 11:36:45
In reply to Re: Lost for words » bassman, posted by Maxime on July 10, 2006, at 11:26:30
You are really into blaming yourself for everything. Stop it! :>} You are in a very, very difficult situation-despite what you say, mostly not of your own making. Did you choose to be depressed? If someone said, "Maxime", take this pill and you won't be depressed any more, would you take it? I'll bet you would. Maybe this is one of those times it's best to look at the whole thing as biochemical-and therefore, out of your control-except to survive, try medication, and do whatever, as I said before, for some comfort. Yes, and eat! :>}
The irony is that if you were a "bad" person, you wouldn't be having the thoughts you are-you'd blame it on everyone around you. Please take care of yourself and continue to write.
bassman
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