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Posted by willyee on May 6, 2006, at 20:41:21
Not that im interested in actualy using it or obtaining it,but reading on common augmentation drugs,i know most common are....Lithium,Lamictal,pindidol,and Thyoroid.
Im probuably speeling it wrong but the Thryroid,although i see it mentioned over and over as a augmentation possability,I HAVE NEVER EVER seen a single post of someone who had success with this method,is it me?
I think back on every group i can remeber,and have seen at least some postive responses from Lithium,Lamictal,to rev up ad`s but again aside from the recomendation have never seen someone say "Hey this worked" am i alone there?
Just curious.
P.S reading on one of the post,i personaly find the only way to get high off parnate is to take it in combination with something,then an escalting dose can defintaly worsen a high.HOWEVER simply taking more and more and more,well personaly would imagine it just making me sick to the point of wanting to puke,of course im not speaking of a high dose in a single setting,rather spread through the day.
Now u combine it with the wrong drug,and notice a weird effect,and continue to escalte the dose,then you better believe u will get high,and the comeo down is hideous!Jusy my experiance.Parnate if anything for me is of a chemical dependance not a recreational or rnjoyable addiction at all.
Posted by Phillipa on May 6, 2006, at 23:08:55
In reply to Has this ever worked?, posted by willyee on May 6, 2006, at 20:41:21
Absolutely no to the thyroid. You can mess your body up big time if you take it and don't need it. Willyee you experiement to much . Remember your last trip to the ER?. Not trying to discourage you but at least ask for a thryroid test first. A lot of pdocs use cytomel. A type of thyroid to boost the effects of a sluggish thryroid and help depression. That of course depends on the individual and the meds they are on. Love Phillipa
Posted by willyee on May 7, 2006, at 1:06:05
In reply to Re: Has this ever worked? » willyee, posted by Phillipa on May 6, 2006, at 23:08:55
No trust me i have no intention on messing with my Hormones i promise you.In fact i never took melatoion cause i dident like the sound of its profile.
I am just curious why its mentioned so much as a ordinary drug augmentor along with other common ones.And i know you mean well,but trust me id rather not expierment,but the same as if a man were on fire,would he wait around for the firemen to come and put him out correctly and safetly or will he do what comes naturaly and seek relieaf on instant.
I no longer can wake up and just lay around and accept my situation as i did for over 5 years,waiting weeks and laying my entire relieaf on a 15 min appt. that most times went terrably.
Trust me i promise u i did that,when i was on ssris i dident know a single chemical,or ever come to a single website,i laid around and suffered for 2-3 wweks to my appt.
Now its basicaly the same only i no longer want to just wait,either way i usualy get the same results,truth is fighting it on my own as well is the only times i get some success and relieaf,thinking back if i had always relied on docs id be on a gram of depakote and nearly sucidal.As much as i hate to say this,i truly from my soul believe my life isnt worth living on for another possable 30 years like this,do i wanna suffer every min of the day for another 30 years?
So honestly thinking like that and understanding this is becommig more and more of a scary reality i really understand and accept the risk that changing drugs the way i do can very well be fatal,but honestly its really all the professionals do anyway,just at a more snails rate and most cause they have insurance to worry about.
Im in a war whether i accept it or not,and like any war the only way you can even concieve winning is to head to the front line and take the chance of dying cause of it.If you play it safe and stay in the back and never take the hard risk can u really overcome an enemy.
I know its silly,and dramatic,but its really how i think,this has to be some type of demon or monster im up aganist and with all sincerity and clear thinking i say that every morning i feel as if im entering a battle zone,lol laugh but i do.
Posted by Caedmon on May 7, 2006, at 15:31:01
In reply to Has this ever worked?, posted by willyee on May 6, 2006, at 20:41:21
Yeah, thyroid augmentation can help. Usually T3 is used. If the patient is bipolar I understand that sometimes it's preferable to use T4 or T4+T3 (like they have in some formulations). T4 by itself for unipolar is rarely effective, I don't know why people take T4 for unipolar depression.
It's possible to do and I believe it's pretty safe, IF you're having your levels checked before and after. There is some risk of increased heart rate and so on. No solution is perfect.
I think that in clinical reality it's kind of a high-maintenence thing to do, it's much easier to throw Wellbutrin or Seroquel (ah!) at someone. I know that Li and thyroid augmentation is better studied, but that requires blood work and yucky stuff like that. So, it seems to be less commonly used.
- C
Posted by willyee on May 7, 2006, at 17:53:08
In reply to Re: Has this ever worked?, posted by Caedmon on May 7, 2006, at 15:31:01
Exactly i mean ive seen lithium use PLENTY of times,i just have never seen actual TH use other than its mention in clinical reference.
Guess im curious with what seems to be such a small success,or even use with it,why it is mentioned so oftened as a augmentor,just a random thought however,thanks!
Posted by tygereyes on May 7, 2006, at 22:13:50
In reply to Has this ever worked?, posted by willyee on May 6, 2006, at 20:41:21
> P.S reading on one of the post,i personaly find the only way to get high off parnate is to take it in combination with something,then an escalting dose can defintaly worsen a high.
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> HOWEVER simply taking more and more and more,well personaly would imagine it just making me sick to the point of wanting to puke,of course im not speaking of a high dose in a single setting,rather spread through the day.
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> Now u combine it with the wrong drug,and notice a weird effect,and continue to escalte the dose,then you better believe u will get high,and the comeo down is hideous!
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> Jusy my experiance.Parnate if anything for me is of a chemical dependance not a recreational or rnjoyable addiction at all.Funny how differently people respond ... I pushed the dose up to 180 at times (to get high - my actual dose was 90); for me, it was extremely amphetamine-like and became more and more amphetamine-like as I went up.
Posted by willyee on May 7, 2006, at 22:56:43
In reply to Re: Has this ever worked?, posted by tygereyes on May 7, 2006, at 22:13:50
I cant agree or disagree there,when i say ramp up,the most i prob went was 150 in a single day,not over a stretch,and the single day i felt horrable but i again did not pursue this dose,i already always end up short for my parnate refill monthly and have to be creative for the last week or two im not on it or on it at a EXTREMLY low dose of like 1 - 2 tabs.
Do you feel this high of a dose is more therputic,or did u see a recreational effect,if so do you plan on ending up on a dose such as that if u were to go back to parnate.
Id be willing to try a high dose such as that if i had something to make me feel it was reasonable,id be able to get from my doc the means ,id love to know ur answer on this as i do feel like a lot of times my current dose are m&ms and my body is just totaly washing it away!
Posted by tygereyes on May 8, 2006, at 17:44:52
In reply to Re: Has this ever worked?, posted by willyee on May 7, 2006, at 22:56:43
> I cant agree or disagree there,when i say ramp up,the most i prob went was 150 in a single day,not over a stretch,and the single day i felt horrable but i again did not pursue this dose,i already always end up short for my parnate refill monthly and have to be creative for the last week or two im not on it or on it at a EXTREMLY low dose of like 1 - 2 tabs.
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> Do you feel this high of a dose is more therputic,or did u see a recreational effect,if so do you plan on ending up on a dose such as that if u were to go back to parnate.
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> Id be willing to try a high dose such as that if i had something to make me feel it was reasonable,id be able to get from my doc the means ,id love to know ur answer on this as i do feel like a lot of times my current dose are m&ms and my body is just totaly washing it away!It was purely recreational. I don't know if it was therapeutic or not because I was speeding out of my mind.
Posted by curtm on May 9, 2006, at 18:55:54
In reply to Has this ever worked?, posted by willyee on May 6, 2006, at 20:41:21
Phillipa is absolutely right. The thyroid is indirectly affecting everything in you and slight changes could have quite undesirable effects.
I am sick because if I could get high and still function on a drug/combination of, I would.
To tell you the truth, when I got very euphoric when we added the Wellbutrin to the Lamictal and I "peaked," I took a Wellbutrin about every three days to feel a slight buzz.
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