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Posted by Tamar on October 14, 2005, at 13:42:30
In reply to Re: suicide is something most of us fight off**TRIGGER » holymama, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 13:03:10
Hi Deneb,
I can see why you want to understand what might be triggering. And that sometimes it’s hard to know how people might respond to what you say.
Here’s what I think: I’ve read a lot of posts here in which people have said they feel suicidal. And in most cases people post (a) the reasons they feel suicidal and (b) that they don’t want to feel suicidal.
You said:
"Maybe I just don't know how to express my suffering."
It does seem to me that you don’t often say *why* you are thinking about death. And you also don’t often say that you don’t want to feel suicidal. So I think it could be hard for people to understand the depths of your suffering. Without additional information (like what has prompted your suicidal feelings) perhaps people could interpret your posts as taking suicide lightly.Maybe some people could think you don’t take suicide seriously. If they thought you were being serious they could perhaps feel compassion for you despite the personal pain the subject triggers for them. But maybe it’s harder for people for feel compassion if they don’t understand your suicidal feelings.
I happen to believe that you do take suicide seriously. And I suspect that you don’t always know why you feel suicidal. I suspect that sometimes you just feel you want to die without having any particular reason. Of course, I could be wrong… I don’t want to jump to conclusions or tell you how you feel or anything like that. Please feel free to correct me if I’ve misunderstood you.
I think it’s important for you to be able to talk about your suicidal feelings here. There are people here who seem to understand and who want to help as much as they can. There might always be some people (here and in real life) who don’t understand, perhaps because their own pain gets in the way of the possibility of feeling compassion for you. If there are any people in that situation I guess the best thing we can do is to feel compassion for them...
But I think the way you’re talking about it now is different from when you first came to Babble and I think you’ve shown that you do care how other people feel about your posts. That’s surely a good thing.
Tamar
Posted by holymama on October 14, 2005, at 14:11:45
In reply to Re: suicide is something most of us fight off**TRIGGER » holymama, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 13:03:10
> Suicidal feelings are something I BATTLE, not embrace.
I battle them too. :-(
I often write that I don't want to kill myself, but sometimes I change my mind. I don't understand why people think I'm making light of suicide. I really suffer. I suffer so much at times that I do think suicide is the way out. Maybe I just don't know how to express my suffering.
Deneb, I know you battle those feelings. That's why you write so much about it. I think you are in a constant battle between liking the idea and wanting to be saved from it. I think you have a lot of confusion about it.I guess the reason why I said you were taking suicide lightly is because you seem to be asking what the big deal is about it. You often ask why it bothers people, and when you ask that question, it makes me think that you don't understand the depth of emotion if brings up in people.
By the way, I don't think you are too draining on this community. I think you are one of the most interesting people here. I feel like you post your real feelings here and I think that's a great asset that you have. If you bottled things up, you might not feel like 'such a drain', but you wouldn't get any help from people either.
Sometimes I think you take peoples' comments too harshly. By the end of your posts you are often apologizing to people. I think that when people write to you, whether they are gentle or harsh, they are trying in their different ways to help you. Some might try by calming you down and making you feel good, others might try the tough love approach to get through to you. I think everyone here is really trying to reach you one way or another. Sometimes things we don't want to hear are what we need to hear in order to heal.
~Autumn~
Posted by AuntieMel on October 14, 2005, at 14:42:11
In reply to Apology to everyone, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 13:23:32
Note: I'm only speaking for myself here.
Think for a minute. Have you ever had someone you care about hurt you? And then had that person apologize for hurting you?
You accept the apology and things return to normal, but then in a couple of days that person repeats the hurtful behavior, following it with an apology after finding out you are hurt (again.)
This goes on several more times. Each time the apology sounds less sincere to you, doesn't it? And each time you are warier that the behavior will repeat, aren't you?
That is how I feel when I keep reading these posts.
You say you want to make it up to people? There is one way to do it: Get The Help You Need!!!!!
Work on getting better. There are ways. Nikki has offered several times to help you find the way, and she has loads of experience with BPD. Use these resources and build yourself a life to be proud of!
That more than anything will make things better.
Posted by JenStar on October 14, 2005, at 16:02:40
In reply to Re: You DON'T Need to understand triggers » AuntieMel, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 12:55:59
Deneb,
I'm glad you noticed that some people's threads, while they contain difficult content and worries about suicide or grave illnesses, don't trigger, anger or irritate others. Instead, those posts mostly garner loving support and kind words for the person who wrote it.Something about your posts must be different, insofar as your posts often seem to elicit different responses --- right?
The posters who receive the kind, loving and caring responses -- not angry ones -- are trusted here. Something about the way they write their own posts and responses to others' posts makes them trusted and valued members here.
If you want the truth, I personally feel that your posts often sound manipulative and deliberate in your use of triggering words and phrases. Sometimes it SEEMS to me that a post written in the style you write MIGHT have been written to "test" or "push buttons."
Now I know that might be greatly offensive to you...but you did ask. And honestly, that's what I think many times when I read your posts. (And part of me thinks you already know it, too, and consequently the fact that you're asking once again makes me think you're TRYING to trigger people here!)
Deneb, you've asked so many times why suicide is triggering. If you don't get it, just accept it. If you continue to post things that people have told you hurts/frustrates/saddens them, don't be surprised when you get angry responses, or if people just sort of drift away from you and stop responding to your posts at all. (Is this an experiment for you...to see how everyone reacts?)
If you're really struggling with this, I really suggest staying with you p-doc. He may not be perfect, but he's s start, and hopefully he can help you with techniques to become more socially adept, studious and able to handle stress management.
good luck. take care.
JenStarIf
Posted by crazy teresa on October 14, 2005, at 16:26:00
In reply to Re: You DON'T Need to understand triggers » Deneb, posted by JenStar on October 14, 2005, at 16:02:40
Posted by Nickengland on October 14, 2005, at 16:30:20
In reply to Re: You DON'T Need to understand triggers » AuntieMel, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 12:55:59
Hello Deneb
>I just thought that maybe if I understood *why* that I would be better able to predict which posts need a trigger warning. Sometimes it is a surprise to me which posts trigger people and I don't understand why.
>I need some concrete rules about triggers then...
>Tell me which subjects need a trigger warning. It just confuses me. In a thread above a poster writes about suicide and yet that didn't need a trigger. Why are so many of my posts a trigger to people?Perhaps one step at a time will help ease the confusion, as in at this stage perhaps it is not important as to why others are triggered by your posts. (You could always ask the specific poster who you feel you have triggered to find out why)
Maybe, the triggering, in this case begins with your *triggers* What is triggering you to write the things you do which then goes on to trigger others?
I think that perhaps you are the one who is triggered, you have the issue of a trigger which is causing you to write the things you do.
The way to resolve this will be to look at your triggers and the reasoning behind why you are triggered in the first place.
Kind regards
Nick
Posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 16:48:42
In reply to Re: You DON'T Need to understand triggers » Deneb, posted by JenStar on October 14, 2005, at 16:02:40
JenStar, I just know that sometimes I get extremely upset. I think you may be right, I think I may be manipulative. But I also think that my manipulation is not only dangerous to others, but it is dangerous to me. I'm afraid I'm going to die and people will cease to hear my calls for help. I hate feeling the way I do. I really am depressed right now if that means anything to you.
What will it take for you to believe me? If I were really going to be manipulative I would say that I was going to down a giant bottle of ____ right now and hope that Dr. Bob calls the police before I die. I would be manipulative yes, but there is also a real chance of my dying.
And after I die, people will ask themselves why they didn't believe me when I asked for help.
Yes, there may be an element of manipulation (but I never want to harm others), but there is also the chance of real death. Soon I know that my cries for wolf will go unnoticed and I really will die.
"Premature death among patients with BPD may be due to the increased risk of suicide in this population. Approximately 70-75% of patients with BPD have a history of at least one deliberate act of self-harm. According to Linehan et al, the **mean estimated rate of completed suicides 9%.**"
Posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 17:01:00
In reply to Re: You DON'T Need to understand triggers » JenStar, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 16:48:42
I missed another midterm today and I slept all day instead.
People seem angry at me. I feel really bad right now. No one believes my suffering. I don't see a future anymore and people don't believe me.
I want support to live. I don't want to die.
Deneb
Posted by gardenergirl on October 14, 2005, at 17:07:09
In reply to I'm really struggling here, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 17:01:00
It sounds like it's pretty bad. I don't know that an internet support group is the best resource for someone who is in imminent danger. Help from someone in person is much more likely to be effective.
Please call your pdoc and/or go to the hospital. Clearly your depression and thoughts are interfering with your ability to function in daily life if you are skipping important school obligations. That must be an awful feeling.
Please take care of yourself.
gg
Posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 18:45:17
In reply to I'm really struggling here, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 17:01:00
I'm trying to ask for help in the right way.
I can't see a future for myself. Please help me. If I don't feel better I'm going to kill myself.
I'm a real person. I'm in real life. When I get upset here, I get upset in real life. When bad things happen here, I feel bad and sometimes I want to kill myself. If I disappear, that means I probably dead.
Deneb
Posted by holymama on October 14, 2005, at 19:07:59
In reply to Please help me see a future, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 18:45:17
Sweetie,
Go to a hospital. You need to get some help and get back on your feet.
I'll tell you something. You remind me of myself early in my twenties. This is when I didn't understand myself yet and my incomprehensible tortured mind. As I've gotten older I have come to understand myself better and get control of my mind -- WITH the help of medication and therapy. Lots of both. But it took me a few years to figure this stuff out.You are just at the beginning of this journey. There is a risk of suicide with your disorder and you need to get help SO THAT YOU CAN SURVIVE LONG ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO HELP YOURSELF.
If you are smart, you will start getting help when or before you need it. Only over time will you learn how to manage this yourself. You WILL learn, but now is the time to get help from others so they can teach you how to do it. THIS WILL GET EASIER. I PROMISE.
I think you've said you've been in a hospital before -- (or did I make that up???) From my experience, a 'private' hospital was a far better experience than a plain old ER public hospital. (I'm sure people have had different experiences). Can you call your insurance and find out what hospitals they will cover for inpatient psychiatric hospitalizations?
I hate the idea that I'm pushing a hospital stay on you, but I think you need more help than you are getting.
take care of your precious self.
~Autumn~
Posted by alexandra_k on October 14, 2005, at 19:12:59
In reply to Need to understand triggers and suicide, posted by Deneb on October 13, 2005, at 20:42:10
> What I don't understand it why you insist on threatening suicide every other week.
> …This is something a young child would say because she didn't get her way. I don't think you want to die, you're throwing a temper tantraum!
I can see that people are finding this frustrating but I have to say that ‘threatening suicide’ and ‘throwing a temper tantraum’ probably aren’t terribly helpful ways of looking at it…
(How would you feel if you expressed suicidal ideation and was told you were ‘threatening suicide’ or ‘throwing a temper tantraum’? Would that help you or hurt you? If you come to see your own behaviour in that way… Would you feel able to live with yourself?
> Im sorry if I sound insensitive but I feel like you have had so many explanations given to you. I give up, Im tired and I feel I already gave you an explanation as well.
(((Rainbow))) I’m sorry, I know this is a hard issue for you. It might help to think that sometimes when one is in a really bad space certain information can get forgotten. As a different example… Imagine that you are worried that someone doesn’t like you. They tell you (a couple times) that they do. But then you get depressed… And so… What they said before… Well… It kind of needs to be said again because it has been forgotten. I know that for me, my memory of events / things people have said / alternative ways of looking at the situation is very mood dependent. When my emotions get very intense… I can forget all kinds of stuff.> It was just a favor, just a friendly request for a trigger without making a big deal of it.
I know this is hard for you… Maybe you had best avoid posts from Deneb that have a trigger warning on them and / or mention suicide in the subject header?
> I recall one post where you thought it was funny listening to the way some people tried to kill themselves. thats all.
Yeah. And joking about death isn’t allowed here. Deneb was warned for that – and she hasn’t done it again. I think… Maybe when she mentiones the topic now people tend to think of that other thread? And it calls some of those issues back for people.> This behaviour will usually be the result of a deeply held belief - often to do with the way that they view the world. Their belief in this world view is so strong that any evidence to the contrary is discounted’ (quote)
Yuk yuk yuk… I don’t think it is a matter of logic. More a matter of having the ablility to retain ones faith… That one is okay, that other people do care, that one does have a future etc. It seems to me that it is when those things (which just are a matter of faith and are inferences beyond all available evidence) which constitute something of a world view. And it is that… That can radically alter when one feels under extreme emotional stress. Things start seeming black… Very black indeed.
> And the issue about talking about suicide and how it affects others is an issue of courtesy. We have rules here at Babble to help us extend courtesy to one another. When there isn't a rule, we try to be sensitive to others' feelings, even if they do not match ours. Sometimes that means we can't talk about certain subjects in the manner we would like to here.
???
Do you really think this is so? I don’t hold back… And I have had some people express that they have problems with some of my posts. They don’t like some of them. They set off certain feelings in some other posters etc. And the situation seems to me… To be a little like Lou. Posters want a certain poster to refrain from making certain kinds of posts. They start out expressing their feelings on the issue… And then (it seems to me) they don’t really hold back with respect to whatever it takes to get that poster to fall into line. But that certain poster whose posts are being called into question… Well… So long as their posts are in line with the civility guidelines then I guess they have themselves something of a dilemma… How much to shut up because that is what other people need from you? How much to continue writing because that is what you need for you? Decisions… And yes, there are consequences… And posters here can be quite harsh with their consequences… Mostly (it seems to me because they don’t understand why it is that the person needs to vent / express themselves). I continued doing what I needed to do… So did Lou… I wonder what Deneb would do. What would you do if you were Deneb?
>Is it really important to understand *why* people are triggered? Or is it only important to know that they are? There are many, many things in life that upset others. From small to large. Chewing and talking at the same time. Cursing. and so on. I don't need to understand *why* they upset people, only that they do. And I need to respect that.
Okay. But those examples… May be a little different to what is going on here. Most people don’t get so very attached to chewing and talking at the same time that they really feel they must continue despite how other people feel about it. But sometimes… Well… What if I needed to sing (because I got something from being able to express myself in that manner) but you guys all wanted me to stop singing because you thought I sounded terrible? Am I obliged to stop because of your needs? Isn’t it possible that I could understand what your needs are and see how important they are to you and yet still act on my needs? Don’t we all do this at times? Or perhaps we should live our lives trying to make other people happy by doing what they want and never doing anything that they may find offensive or distasteful or triggering or whatever. I don’t know that I could live my life like that even if I tried…
>Think for a minute. Have you ever had someone you care about hurt you? And then had that person apologize for hurting you?You accept the apology and things return to normal, but then in a couple of days that person repeats the hurtful behavior, following it with an apology after finding out you are hurt (again.) This goes on several more times. Each time the apology sounds less sincere to you, doesn't it? And each time you are warier that the behavior will repeat, aren't you? That is how I feel when I keep reading these posts.
I don’t see… That Deneb did anything wrong. The topic was indicated in the subject header. I would have thought that by now people would have learned whether or not to avoid her posts where she is going to be talking about suicide.
> If you want the truth, I personally feel that your posts often sound manipulative and deliberate in your use of triggering words and phrases. Sometimes it SEEMS to me that a post written in the style you write MIGHT have been written to "test" or "push buttons."
That might not be a very helpful way of looking at it… If you think of it as expressive then yes, the intention is to evoke an emotional response (but this isn’t considered manipulative in expressive writing – or if it is ‘manipulative’ loses its judgemental connotations and we understand why it is used). When people respond by saying you are ‘joking’ or aren’t serious because you ‘threaten every other week’ then one attempts to convey the feelings all the more strongly and an unhelpful (and possibly dangerous) cycle is starting…
> part of me thinks you already know it, too, and consequently the fact that you're asking once again makes me think you're TRYING to trigger people here!
Why would someone do this? Why would you do this? (I find it easier to think about things by imagining why I might be led to do similar things). Maybe… Deneb is looking for a little understanding and sympathy for being in such a horrible emotional state.
> Deneb, you've asked so many times why suicide is triggering. If you don't get it, just accept it. If you continue to post things that people have told you hurts/frustrates/saddens them, don't be surprised when you get angry responses, or if people just sort of drift away from you and stop responding to your posts at all.
Yes, some Babblers get ostracised… Lou… I wonder what is going to happen here… She posts helpful posts. She posts happy posts. Are we all going to forget about those when times get tough?
> I need some concrete rules about triggers then...
Tell me which subjects need a trigger warning. It just confuses me.
I’d suggest self injury, suicide, anyone else have any thoughts?
>In a thread above a poster writes about suicide and yet that didn't need a trigger. Why are so many of my posts a trigger to people?
I think… Because you talk about things that are socially taboo in an irreverant way. And that makes people feel nervous… You ask questions that aren’t supposed to be asked… They are just supposed to me magically understood (or I suppose the thought is that you are just supposed to shut up about them). But I used to ask… And I still do… And I’ve worked out some kinds of answers on some of that. So I like your questions. Also… Because you do write to express your emotion. And so the point of expressive writing like that is for other people to understand how you feel. And when other people read that what it does is evoke intense emotions in them. And so people read your posts and catch something of your feeling… Which, as you have noticed, isnt’ terribly pleasant. That’s why trigger warnings are important (or subject headers that indicate). Because I know that when I am in a good place I can feel some of that feeling – but not become lost in it myself. When I am in a bad place I need to leave your posts till I’m feeling a little better because otherwise I am in danger of being lost in the bad feelings myself.
And I think… That that is where the ‘manipulative’ thing comes in. People feel like you are manipulating their emotional responses. Like you are trying to make them feel bad. But its not about that people… Its about obtaining empathy and understanding. And when we are in a bad place… Isn’t that what all of us want???
> I often write that I don't want to kill myself, but sometimes I change my mind. I don't understand why people think I'm making light of suicide.
I think people are still a little hung up on the other post where you were warned about joking about death.
>I really suffer. I suffer so much at times that I do think suicide is the way out. Maybe I just don't know how to express my suffering.
Yeah. In combination with others not knowing how to take your writing about your suffering. Not knowing how to take the intention of your writing.It can lead to unhelpful cicles at times.
I’m sorry :-(
Posted by ClearSkies on October 14, 2005, at 19:19:30
In reply to I'm really struggling here, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 17:01:00
And get the help you need IRL, Deneb. An internet site can only be of limited help. You sound like you are in distress.
ClearSkies
Posted by alexandra_k on October 14, 2005, at 19:20:18
In reply to Please help me see a future, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 18:45:17
mid terms... i was thinking of them as exams. but they aren't so much, are they? middle of the term assessment? that was crunch time for me too.
i think... that you are despairing about your future because your studies are really very important to you and are a huge part of what you see yourself as and where you see yourself in the future.
and so missing a couple mid terms is what is so hard...
and performance anxiety (that you must do really well) probably resulted in you missing them.
so...
i think the best thing you could do to help you find yourself some hope is to get the mid term situation sorted.
phone your p-doc
go and see your p-doc
maybe spend a little time in hospital if that is what he wants (it really isn't that bad and the whole point of it is to get you established on your meds, stabilised, seeing a future for yourself, and getting some time out).he will be able to give you something
you will be able to have a short respiteyou will come back feeling HEAPS better
and you can still complete your courses most probably.
please please sort this out.
i had compassionate withdrawals 3 semesters in a row. would spin out half way through the semester because of performance anxiety and wouldn't think there was any hope for me at all :-(
but with each withdrawal... it just serves to undermine your sense of competence and self respect etc.
i know it probably doesn't seem all that manageable to continue...
but a brief respite (may be) all you need to get yourself back on track
then it will seem more manageable.i know you have had compassionate withdrawals before...
the hardest thing in the world is breaking that cycle and getting through one semester.
next one will be easier i promise you that.
Posted by ClearSkies on October 14, 2005, at 19:31:04
In reply to Re: Need to understand triggers and suicide, posted by alexandra_k on October 14, 2005, at 19:12:59
>Think for a minute. Have you ever had someone you care about hurt you? And then had that person apologize for hurting you?You accept the apology and things return to normal, but then in a couple of days that person repeats the hurtful behavior, following it with an apology after finding out you are hurt (again.) This goes on several more times. Each time the apology sounds less sincere to you, doesn't it? And each time you are warier that the behavior will repeat, aren't you? That is how I feel when I keep reading these posts.
I don’t see… That Deneb did anything wrong. The topic was indicated in the subject header. I would have thought that by now people would have learned whether or not to avoid her posts where she is going to be talking about suicide.
I think you missed the point here, Alexandra - that there is an apology, then a repeat of action requiring an apology, then an apology... if she hadn't done anything to upset people, then why the cycle of apology and posting repeatedly about the same subject? That's the problem with crying wolf - it does not get listened to if it happens often enough, and when someone is really upset to the point of seriously injuring themselves, it might happen that the cry goes unnoticed, unheard, and not responded to.Try googling this site for
Deneb
apology
sorry
forgiveClearSkies
Posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 19:42:18
In reply to Re: Need to understand triggers and suicide » alexandra_k, posted by ClearSkies on October 14, 2005, at 19:31:04
I'm sorry people,
I've really messed this time.
This place is better off without me.
All I do is consume resources and support. I'm a parasite. I need to be exterminated. If I really care about people here I would kill myself.
I'm doing everyone a favor.
I'm sorry people.
I can't yet because my Mom is around.
I'm truly sorry I was born.
I'm sorry for living and writing here.
I hurt people.
I need to die for what I do.
Remember what I believe in. No interventions.
No memorial. Just erase me.
Please erase me from existence.
Posted by rainbowbrite on October 14, 2005, at 20:11:11
In reply to Re: Need to understand triggers and suicide, posted by alexandra_k on October 14, 2005, at 19:12:59
>(((Rainbow))) I’m sorry, I know this is a hard issue for you. It might help to think that sometimes when one is in a really bad space certain information can get forgotten. As a different example… Imagine that you are worried that someone doesn’t like you. They tell you (a couple times) that they do. But then you get depressed… And so… What they said before… Well… It kind of needs to be said again because it has been forgotten. I know that for me, my memory of events / things people have said / alternative ways of looking at the situation is very mood dependent. When my emotions get very intense… I can forget all kinds of stuff.
If I had to ask someone if they were my firned they wouldnt be my firend. Im not following, sorry
> It was just a favor, just a friendly request for a trigger without making a big deal of it.
I know this is hard for you… Maybe you had best avoid posts from Deneb that have a trigger warning on them and / or mention suicide in the subject header?I have been! there was no trigger to the post in question.
> I recall one post where you thought it was funny listening to the way some people tried to kill themselves. thats all.
Yeah. And joking about death isn’t allowed here. Deneb was warned for that – and she hasn’t done it again. I think… Maybe when she mentiones the topic now people tend to think of that other thread? And it calls some of those issues back for people.To me it feels like this is all a repeat over adn over agian but done with slightly differnet words.
This whole thread is about a bablmail that I sent Deneb. I was caught off gueard by something she posted. I ended up in tears WHILE on the phone sick to my stomach ----THERE WAS NO *** TRIGGER***. I thought my email was explaining to her WHY I had a hard time with certain things and I was under the impression that I was gently asking if she would mind putting triggers if certain things were mentioned (which I do not want to say) I cant believe I even read any more of this thread. I can't take it here right now. its too much. Things like this NEVER come up IRL. I dont have to worry about certain topics bringing up things I dont want to think about becasue of the intensity. And no amount of thereoay could make it any less painful. I can't expose myself to this. and tehn feeling ALL ALONE with it which I cant even explain. Its me, its just me, I never fully recovered from the last few threads like this, I should go talk to someonme about this. I take full resonsibilyt for my reactions BUT I was referring to a non triggered post. too sensitive...maybe? But this is a 'social board' ?
If Im an awful person, so be it. I felt I was qutie clear in my babblemail. I really want this to be put to rest now.
Im sorry everyoneDeneb forget I wrote you the babble mail, please, post whatever you want.
see y'all around
Posted by rainbowbrite on October 14, 2005, at 20:14:55
In reply to I don't think I'm going to make it this time, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 19:42:18
there are places that treat your disorder. Why dont you consider going inpatient/outpaitent somewhere. If you really are miserable the way you are...consider it anyway. It could change you life. please get some help, there isnt enough support for you to use this as your sole resource. You need professionals.
Be safe, please
Posted by JenStar on October 14, 2005, at 20:26:21
In reply to Re: You DON'T Need to understand triggers » JenStar, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 16:48:42
Deneb,
I can only interpret words on this site, and I was telling you honestly what I think.Manipulative and suicidal are NOT mutually exclusive...it's possible for someone to be both at the same time. I recognize that very well.
I don't think anyone here wants you to die, even if we get mad at some of your posts. People can disagree and fight, and still not want each other dead! I think you're being very overly dramatic about it...just like in the past when you've questioned over and over whether Dr. Bob wants you to die. (He does not; neither does anyone else.)
This site is not a magic cure-all, and this is not the right place to ask for "real life" help or to set guilt.
I don't think the questions you ask are "bad" questions, per se. I too wonder about suicide, about death, about taboos, about fears. I don't think it's wrong to think or ask about it. I think about these things myself. But the WAY you ask about it is clearly troubling to more than one poster.
Alexandra asks if that matters as long as you're staying within civility guidelines. If it matters to YOU, than it might be a sign that you need to change your behavior. If you LIKE the negative attention, then DON'T change your behavior. It depends on what you want and what you get.
But if you keep posting in the same old ways, you'll get the same old responses. If you want new responses, or to change people's opinions of you on the site, you'll need to change the way you interact. It's that simple.
I hope you're ok and healthy. You should definitely go get help ASAP if you are feeling suicidal for real, and not just thinking about it in a detached kind of way.
take care,
JenStar
Posted by rainbowbrite on October 14, 2005, at 20:37:56
In reply to CLARIFICATION » alexandra_k, posted by rainbowbrite on October 14, 2005, at 20:11:11
sorry for my obnoxious remark, I am way too upset to be posting. I just had to come back and say that.
Also forgetting happens to everyone. But how can you forget something like this? What I was trying to say is I just cant understand that.
Posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 20:43:31
In reply to Re: You DON'T Need to understand triggers » Deneb, posted by JenStar on October 14, 2005, at 20:26:21
>If you want new responses, or to change people's opinions of you on the site, you'll need to change the way you interact. It's that simple.
Do you not think i want to change my behaviour? If I knew how to change my behaviour I wouldn't have to kill myself.
If I knew how to change my behaviour I wouldn't be failing school.
> I hope you're ok and healthy.No, I'm not OK. I've been crying for hours. I'm thinking of ODing tomorrow. I'm thinking of hanging myself outside.
Can I ask for some hugs before I die? I feel really lonely.
Posted by Bobby on October 14, 2005, at 21:42:49
In reply to Re: You DON'T Need to understand triggers, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 20:43:31
Believe me. you are too young to even think about such things. You have your whole life to get better. If any of us could only be 23 again! You have some good advice here when they tell you to get professional help---take it. What do you have to lose. you're young, intelligent and pretty. Go for it!!! Suicide is never the answer--nor is talking well of it. Good luck
bobby
Posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 21:53:50
In reply to Hamster girl » Deneb, posted by Bobby on October 14, 2005, at 21:42:49
Hammie...
I love hammieOh boy, here come the tears again...
hammie is so cute...I love hammie
he's so fuzzy and warm
I don't know what to do anymore.
I don't think I will hang myself tomorrow.
I think I will OD
I might go to the hospital
I can't let my parents find out
Posted by Bobby on October 14, 2005, at 22:13:52
In reply to Re: Hamster girl, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2005, at 21:53:50
What will it do to your parents and who will take care of hammie? What's so wrong about seeking help--it sure beats the alternative
Posted by Emily Elizabeth on October 14, 2005, at 22:22:41
In reply to Re: Hamster girl » Deneb, posted by Bobby on October 14, 2005, at 22:13:52
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