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Posted by justyourlaugh on October 6, 2003, at 7:28:57
krissy..
the tone of your post seem to be changing..you asked for input of yet angain another deception.
give people time to heal , give people the right to feel..
i am wondering if you are " getting off " on being able to "play with people"
?
please stop the games..
.
i wonder who you are going to be next?
jyl
Posted by galkeepinon on October 6, 2003, at 10:35:43
In reply to krissy...., posted by justyourlaugh on October 6, 2003, at 7:28:57
Nikki, I wasn't the only one who said hurtful things, you know that in your heart. you said>>>Excuse me????? You bit BACK???!!!
Oh, right.'
>>>>Maybe I really should post some of the stuff you sent me. Nikki'
Like I said in a very early post, I'm not here for drama, you can choose to do whatever you choose to do. I'm really sorry you're so angry about this. I truly hope someday you can let it go. There's a lot of things I could say~but I won't because I choose not to, but more importantly, it wouldn't benefit anyone of us.jyl>>>>'krissy..the tone of your post seem to be changing..you asked for input of yet angain another deception. give people time to heal , give people the right to feel..i am wondering if you are " getting off " on being able to "play with people" ? please stop the games..
i wonder who you are going to be next?I am giving people who were affected here the time to heal and the right to feel, if I didn't care or wasn't true and sincere, I wouldn't even bother posting back to anyone and explaining and fessing up. I don't play games anymore jyl, except with my puppy~it may be your perception that the tone of my posts may be changing, that's your right to think that, have I been continuous in posting back what I need to~yes, I have made amends to all who asked for them~yes
I am certainly not 'getting off' on this, I will not reply to anymore questions, accusations, or posts that question a possibility of me using different names to be here. Bob knows I only post by this name.
You guys, I have done all I can do, and I have a right to be here like anyone else. I am staying.
I'm sorry if you may not feel the same way, I have a psychiatrist appointment today, and I have some schoolwork to do.
Make it a good day.
Posted by galkeepinon on October 6, 2003, at 10:39:55
In reply to Nikki and jyl..., posted by galkeepinon on October 6, 2003, at 10:35:43
>>>>>it is true you may not even remember the vile multiple posts you sent out to many many board members...
i have a bitter taste in my mouth and had i known you were "krissy" i would not have emailed you..
not that i cant forgive..(i dont think you are even here to ask for forgiveness)
i hate games..
i am walking away from all of the many people you pretend to be...
i wish you luck ..and that you will find out who you truely are..
jylthank you jyl, I wish you the best in your life.
take care of you.
Posted by Chicklet on October 6, 2003, at 12:07:55
In reply to Nikki and jyl..., posted by galkeepinon on October 6, 2003, at 10:35:43
Really, kristen, please just stop it. if you wanted to continue to support and help others, you wouldn't have 'come clean'. It's as they say about a spouse that has cheated...they often end up fessing up not because it's all for the best of the deceived spouse, but to alleviate their feelings of guilt.
Leave Nikki alone. Leave JYL alone. Leave me alone. I wasn't even directly affected but I read all of your posts (which have since been deleted) and I am flabergasted that you would ask for support.
>> Nikki, I wasn't the only one who said hurtful things,
Stop it. Just stop it.
Yeah Nikki knows this 'in her heart'. you are so right. She's just awful isn't she?
Sweet screamin' moses.
kristen, I don't remember how old you are but all of this is like a 7th grade cat fight. You must be able to empathize...you hurt a LOT of people. You lied. Again and again and again. If you wanted support and only support, that would have been fine. Maybe.>>I'm not here for drama, you can choose to do whatever you choose to do.
So why are you here, exactly? You seem to be getting the attn and stirring things up just like last time. How would you ever be able to post again as yourself? People are not acting overly touchy. You've created this.
>>I'm really sorry you're so angry about this. I truly hope someday you can let it go.
Please stop throwing this back at others. I truly do believe that you might actually feel this way...I doubt but it, but I guess it's possible.
>>There's a lot of things I could say~but I won't because I choose not to
Go ahead and say them then. Because I don't really feel as if anything else you've been doing has helped people to understand all of this...
>>the tone of your post seem to be changing..you asked for input of yet angain another deception
Yup.
>>i am wondering if you are " getting off " on being able to "play with people"
yeah I think we can probably conclude that this is the situation. Maybe we should stop posting to you. Maybe we already are posting to you, you know?--what's your posting name again? Oh look, I'm being bratty.
People come here to feel safe. We've all established some trust for the people we've 'met' here. But how are we supossed to trust again?
I mean it. Really.
It's just not fair.>>I don't play games anymore jyl,
huh.
really?>>may be your perception that the tone of my posts may be changing, that's your right to think that,
You're making people mad, Kristen. really. but the worst is that I think you maybe are acting passive agressively. i'm trying to be nice here. I said 'maybe', see?
I guess i need to remind you that you thanked jyl a day or two ago. She supported you, remember? Ouch
ouch.>> I am certainly not 'getting off' on this, I will not reply to anymore questions, accusations, or posts that question a possibility of me using different names
Kristen. You asked for feedback. you even asked what the board thought about you posting here. I think you even said something like, "Should I stop posting here?"...
>>and I have a right to be here like anyone else. I am staying.
Well I hate to say this (no, I guess I don't), but you've changed the whole dynamic by coming back the way you did. You want to feel welcomed. Well there are a bunch of people here that do not like what you've done and probably will never like you posting here. So keep on, by all means. but don't expect things to ever be the same.
>>I'm sorry if you may not feel the same way
Oh, I don't know about that. If you truly are, then maybe you should present all of this in a differnt light.
The funny thing about all of this is that i'll probably get banned. because I'm speaking my mind and I sound accusatory. ANd you don't because you are pretending to be sincer and forgiving.
You brought this on yourself.
And don't tell me to make it a good day.
It's already good, thanks.I'm not getting upset or emotional or depressed by all of this. just really angry. And not in a bipolar kind of way. I guess you can expect to hear from me again.
Please just take everyone's feelings into consideration, ok?
No...you really haven't.Bob- we need to chat.
Posted by galkeepinon on October 6, 2003, at 12:27:54
In reply to Cut the cra*! » galkeepinon, posted by Chicklet on October 6, 2003, at 12:07:55
Posted by madwand on October 6, 2003, at 12:55:18
In reply to Cut the cra*! » galkeepinon, posted by Chicklet on October 6, 2003, at 12:07:55
Chicklet,
You know, its funny how two people who were not directly affected by "the incident" can end up seeing the situation so completely differently. I do not wish to fan flames any further but some things Need To Be Said.
You ask what good she did by belatedly coming clean? The whole thing is really an excellent example of how "reincarnating" on the board can be done in a healthy and productive manner. Someone makes a mistake -- one that people have a hard time getting past. They come back as "someone else" and establish a track record of being positive and supportive. And then once this appears to be established, they "come clean". This gives people a chance (because of the new track record) to see that the person has in fact changed -- something they might not have been willing to see had she "come back" as her original persona.
If anything (based on the responses), perhaps she erred in not waiting quite long enough. I am sorry that you cannot see this the way I do, but that is your choice. Mine is different.
Peace be unto you Karen, and hopefully we will cross paths later under better circumstances.
Posted by Chicklet on October 6, 2003, at 13:35:09
In reply to Re: Cut the cra*! » Chicklet, posted by madwand on October 6, 2003, at 12:55:18
hi Madwand.
I guess I can't really see your point of view but that's because you (maybe? I don't know if you were around then) weren't around for it.I don't know that's it's fair to compare our situations. I wasn't DIRECTLY affected, but I was here. And I saw how this affected many of our dearest posters. It was really bad, Madwand. I'm sure it'll come out in the next few days, but really, it was VERY bad and even if it CAN be forgiven it will NEVER be forgotten. You'd understand more I think, if you'd witnessed it.
>>I do not wish to fan flames
Ok. I wish they wouldn't be fanned at all but I think they already have.>>the board can be done in a healthy and productive manner. Someone makes a mistake
This was not one mistake. I've made mistakes too. This was many 'mistakes'.
>>They come back as "someone else" and establish a track record of being positive and supportive.
madwand, i know you probably don't know this but there were other 'reincarnations'...not just under the name of galkeepinon. There were scathing posts under a different name. So you see, Kristen didn't just 'come clean' in a healthy and productive way. Now it's really hurtful.
>>person has in fact changed -- something they might not have been willing to see had she "come back" as her original persona.
There's more to it than that. And the change that you perceive is a bit of an illusion. I understand and think it's nice that you are trying to see this in a positive light. I would try to do the same thing I think, in your situation.
>>am sorry that you cannot see this the way I do, but that is your choice. Mine is different.
I, in turn, am sorry that you do not/cannot see it the way others can. But you weren't there and I really don't think you have enough info to voice an opinion about it. i understand that you want to think positively about this.
>> Peace be unto you Karen, and hopefully we will cross paths later under better circumstances.
Thanks, but I already am at peace...I'm just really frustrated. Actually moreso after reading your post.
Posted by madwand on October 6, 2003, at 14:34:08
In reply to Re: Cut the cra*! » madwand, posted by Chicklet on October 6, 2003, at 13:35:09
Karen,
I guess we will just have to "agree to disagree" on this. However, as for the "I was there -- you weren't" concept (I was wondering if/when someone would play that card <g>), while that does have some merit it really is not as big of a factor in a "virtual" environment as in a face-to-face one. Why? Because in a face-to-face environment one is constrainted to experience everything linearly, in "real time". And there is a great experiental "distance" between the process of living through something and the process of examining it vicariously/historically. In an "online" environment, where the process of viewing a sequence of events after the fact is extremely similar to process of experiencing it as it happens, that "distance" is dramatically decreased (BTW, while I am relatively new to this board I am not new to online environments and their nuances). Before I responded to any of this I made a point of going back to the archives, finding out who "Krissy" was (from some of her "pre-incident" posts) and what the @#%% had happened.
Can that replace "actually living through it"? No, of course not. And had the sentiment of those who had "been there" been universally of one mind I might have reconsidered my reaction. But that has not been the case. In addition, when someone *does* change, having lived through their "pre-change"
self can be a disadvantage, in that it is too easy to see the past rather than present (As an example, I have met some beautifully spiritual people in recovery who have family/friends from before they got sober who still won't talk to them because of the past. While those folks "were there" and I wasn't, I really cannot concur that therefore they know the "real person" and I do not.
Anyway, you have made the decision regarding Kristen that works for you and I have made the one that works for me. The future will tell if one of us made the wrong choice. I am sorry for your frustration (and whatever part I played in it) -- I hope it is relieved soon.
BTW, if you feel the need to respond more strongly than allowed on the board and do not wish to "get in trouble", I can be reached at
"madwand-babble at earthlink.net. That applies to anyone else who feels the need to "set me straight" outside the bounds of civility (or to anyone who just wants to say "hi" <g>). Do include the "-babble", though, as the person who owns the plain "madwand" might become rather puzzled.
Regards,Michael
Posted by Chicklet on October 6, 2003, at 23:02:06
In reply to Re: Cut the cra*! » Chicklet, posted by madwand on October 6, 2003, at 14:34:08
>In addition, when someone *does* change, having lived through their "pre-change" self can be a disadvantage, in that it is too easy to see the past rather than present
I agree.
i have a "but..." but I can't use it! :D>feel the need to respond more strongly than allowed on the board and do not wish to "get in trouble",
I responded. Not more strongly- and nothing that would get me in trouble. Because i can be a hot potato. I'm really sorry that i spouted off at you like that.
Karen
Posted by madwand on October 7, 2003, at 13:48:30
In reply to Check your e, Michael, posted by Chicklet on October 6, 2003, at 23:02:06
Read and responded to your email -- I think we are squared away.
Michael
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