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Posted by leeran on April 18, 2003, at 9:45:46
In reply to Re: Next post....., posted by Dinah on April 18, 2003, at 7:09:42
Dinah, you had me at "hello." (Oh no, I'm quoting movie lines, where is IsoM?).
Okay, maybe you didn't have me at "hello," but you certainly had me somewhere immediately after that one mother thread a few weeks ago.
I speak from the bottom of my vomit-fearing heart when I say that you could probably have been the block-captain for Charles Manson's neighborhood (or Mister Roger's Neighborhood) and I would still think you're swell.
I voted for Ronand Reagan* twice and I used to be a card-carrying Republican. Then I voted for Bill Clinton twice. I shift my politics and views as often as I change underwear (that's daily - not every four years ;-)
One minute I'm applauding Rush Limbaugh and the next time I get on the computer I'm perusing RumorMillNews.
I abhor racism as well, but I also know that I love my father who, like so many of his generation, can be one of the biggest bigots walking. With racism, politics, etc. I find myself constantly trying to "understand where the person is coming from" (is that sixties or seventies talk?) and once I have a glimmer of their background I can understand them (and their views) much better. I may not agree with their views but I can at least try to accept the person.
I can only think of one time on any message board that I truly couldn't tolerate an individual and that was a member of the medical community who was using a message board (and many innocent people) to try to drum up business, and he was doing it by initally creating an atmosphere wherein people trusted him and almost revered him. I was sickened even more so when I was made privy to an email from a respected doctor who mentioned many of the procedures that he and others had corrected due to the inexperience of this opportunistic individual.
All that said, (TMI, I know) I just wanted to speak up and answer this question that wasn't even directed to me:
"Or will you feel differently about me, as I feel differently about those who express racist views."
The answer from me is "no," I won't feel differently about you.
I will detach myself (or more accurately, my ego) long before I allow anything to damage the immense respect I already have for you based on all the posts of yours that I've read in the last few weeks.
Now, try to sell me some snake oil or a bogus procedure that promises to make me look fifteen years younger and I may change my tune ;-)
*I've even visited his library and partook of the jelly beans.
Posted by Dinah on April 18, 2003, at 10:00:45
In reply to Dinah, you had me at hello., posted by leeran on April 18, 2003, at 9:45:46
I do thank you.
But what if you hadn't already gotten to know me from my posts?
(By the way, I do have an exemption for older people and racism. Their world changed midstream on them, and not all were able to change a lifetime of attitudes. Compassion for them tempers whatever other feelings I might have.)
Posted by jane d on April 18, 2003, at 11:30:04
In reply to Re: In fact, I loved Ronald Reagan. (nm), posted by Dinah on April 18, 2003, at 8:29:10
You see it does matter. I mean, I know that our friendship can withstand different political views (if they are that different) but taste in movies is a really serious thing! :)
Jane,
who probably has never actually seen a Reagan movie
Posted by lil' jimi on April 18, 2003, at 11:31:19
In reply to Re: Next post....., posted by Dinah on April 18, 2003, at 7:09:42
> My many stands on issues that will prove very unpopular here on babble. And that, for the sake of politeness, I have kept to myself.
>
> However, I will state them very civilly.
>
> I wonder if I can continue to be liked and respected here afterwards? Can you all like and respect people who feel differently than you on issues dear to your heart?
>
> Racism is near and dear to my heart. And I have trouble feeling the same way about those who express racist views. I will express some views that you may find just as abhorrent, although they are perfectly mainstream and probably as widely accepted in society as the type of views expresssed more commonly on babble. Will you accept that I feel differently about those issues, and accept me anyway? Will you agree, in your heart, that good people can disagree about charged issues. Or will you feel differently about me, as I feel differently about those who express racist views.
>
> Politics may be able to be discussed civilly. But will even civil discussions of things that people feel violently about disrupt the supportive nature of this board?hi dinah,
(i'm pronouncing it "Dye-nah" like Dinah Shore, or would you rather "Dee-nah"?)well, about these civility considerations (and of course, i can only speak for myself) .... you say any political thing(s) you want and i'll say any political thing(s) i want and i *promise* that Not Only will i be civil, but i will try to do you One better ..... i will try to be your friend ..... that's what i'd like, anyway ..... if you were game .... this offer has no expiration .... i do not really know you from your posts, but without other considerations, i believe we should be able to agree to disagree without being disagreeable ..... since you seem to be up for it ... i'm game .... and i can also promise to disagree with you ... and to occasionally be wrong ... but we have agreed about some important things already, like civility .... you and i might stand up for civility against the rude who would crudely intrude into this interlude .... (sorry!)...
you must judge the possible judgemental penalty from others as best you may .... i might only offer them my example, but it is all too easy to imagine that unpopular opinions may rankle and forment negative responses /reactions to you in the future ..... it is a non-trivial issue which you should choose carefully, because, if it were me, i'd worry real hard about changing my relation to these message boards.... they are very valuable to me.....so i will respect you for your decision regardless.
i promise i will offer much more in reply to your posts ....
however i shall have to ask for your indulgence for the nonce, as i must help close down the shop early here today .... and my wife keeps e-mailing me .... and i'm going to need a little more head space to feel comfortable to respond to your luscious provocation(s) in full, if i may prevail upon your patience, my dear madame, please?
your Friend,
~ jim aka "call anything you please, just don't call me late for dinner!"
Posted by jane d on April 18, 2003, at 11:31:34
In reply to Re: Politics not in itselt uncivil IMHO, posted by lil' jimi on April 18, 2003, at 1:29:22
Posted by lil' jimi on April 18, 2003, at 11:37:31
In reply to Re: Reagan the politician or Reagan the actor?. » Dinah, posted by jane d on April 18, 2003, at 11:30:04
Posted by leeran on April 18, 2003, at 11:40:20
In reply to Re: Dinah, you had me at hello. » leeran, posted by Dinah on April 18, 2003, at 10:00:45
"But what if you hadn't already gotten to know me from my posts?"
I don't think political views "make" the person, so I don't think I could mentally shut out someone just because of their politics (or for their religious views). That said, it wouldn't matter if it was post #1, or post #1001.
I like these types of questions because they offer an opportunity to really think about what does (and doesn't) push my buttons.
As I sit here scratching my head on this I think some of the behaviors that raise the figurative fur on my back are as follows:
1) Agendas, hidden or loosely veiled, that are designed to manipulate others into some type of behavior ("innocent" agendas are fine, i.e. for meetings, etc.)
2) Actions that endanger the lives of others.
3) Bullying. (BUT, as an adult I can better understand that bullying is often rooted in poor self-esteem).
4) Phoniness (unless my b.s. meter is all out of whack of whack hormonally, I haven't seen any of that here on these boards).
I went through two unpleasant divorces (what divorce IS pleasant?) and those two experiences used up a couple of lifetimes worth of ire. It's so much easier to try to get along than to prove myself right or “win.”
(Note, to anyone going through a divorce or about to go through a divorce I, unfortunately, recommend keeping at least some of your anger intact so that you won't ever feel like kicking your butt later for giving in because you were too weary to fight anymore)
In the years since the divorces (and leaving my seventeen year job with the same entity, which was almost like another divorce) I've let go of a lot of my anger toward other people. It’s the anger toward myself that eats at my insides. LOL, I just realized, I’m too damned selfish to judge anyone else, it might take away precious time from judging myself! Proving once again that some of the greatest love affairs only involve one person.
Posted by lil' jimi on April 18, 2003, at 11:42:02
In reply to Re: Sorry to misattribute quotes (nm) » lil' jimi, posted by jane d on April 18, 2003, at 11:31:34
Wasn't ever a problem... made for a little confusion, but it's very like what i might do ..... no harm done at all.
thanks,
~ j
Posted by Dinah on April 18, 2003, at 15:35:54
In reply to Re: Reagan the politician or Reagan the actor?. » Dinah, posted by jane d on April 18, 2003, at 11:30:04
You're good for me, Jane. :)
Reagan the politician of course. He was a way better president than he was an actor.
But surely if our friendship has flourished despite my fondness for Barry Manilow, it could withstand Ronald Reagan the actor. :))
Posted by jane d on April 18, 2003, at 20:28:10
In reply to Re: Reagan the politician or Reagan the actor?. » jane d, posted by Dinah on April 18, 2003, at 15:35:54
> .... my fondness for Barry Manilow,
Dinah,
Have you posted over on the meds board about this? Somebody there may have some suggestions to help you with this. It's amazing what the right meds can do! I'd think something a little activating like Prozac or Lamictal. Perhaps clonazepam for any closet punk rockers hanging about and for the Deadheads.... Well, never mind about the Deadheads. They probably already have whatever they need. :)Jane
Now who was Barry Manilow?
Posted by Dinah on April 18, 2003, at 21:55:32
In reply to Re: Reagan the politician or Reagan the actor?. » Dinah, posted by jane d on April 18, 2003, at 20:28:10
Posted by lil' jimi on April 18, 2003, at 22:17:41
In reply to Re: Everyone wants peace - real peace » justyourlaugh, posted by Dinah on April 17, 2003, at 22:24:01
> Different people just have different ideas about how to go about getting it.
>
> Did Chamberlain gain peace when Hitler chased him around the table?
>
> Is lack of war the same as peace?
>
> Peace at all costs?
>
> Continuing the sanctions that hurt the Iraqi people was better than ending a brutal dictatorship? Yeah, how about another ten years of oil for food? Not to mention torture and oppression.
>
> No easy answers.hi dinah,
how are you doing?
things are better for me now .... we got home okay.... i took my medication and then we all had a big nap.you know, justyourlaugh could have easily meant inner peace when she invoked "real peace" .... really decent arguments can be made that only with inner peace can any be real peace be achieved.... or jyl could have easily intended something more substantial, such as universal peace, which may be seen as either more "real", perhaps in some sense of more permanent, or perhaps as a form of ideal peace, although that may be less attainable.
but it doesn't matter .... because
...you have, in your post above, clearly implied that you have taken it as narrowily referring to peace in iraq ...
now, from my previous post, i said i want to uncloud my mind of my preconceptions (clear mind) and engage the personal affective aspect of your view (open heart) to appreciate you vision ... okay, my new friend?
the first thing my open heart seems to notice is that your message seems all ...mmmmm .... bristly-like ... besides being very abrupt .... it seems as if it is in response to some experiences which may have put you on the defensive?... maybe?
anywho, all that's just my measure of your offerings' more superficial style points and not really important, except as a beginning for me trying to engage your vision here.
so you want to talk about iraq, okay?... okay, but neither i nor jyl nor tim robbins' speech mentioned iraq, but if you, my friend, want to talk about iraq, then i'm going to open my heart to your vision ....so
"> Different people just have different ideas about how to go about getting it. "
okay! we can agree... although this should be classified as an inescapable truism, but i take it this is your statement supporting a diversity of views... and we agree about that too.
but from here things get more complicated for me ... your vision is not so clear to me here..... so i will be asking for some clarification(s), okay?
one the one hand we have your ww2 nazi germany analogy:
"> Did Chamberlain gain peace when Hitler chased him around the table?
> Is lack of war the same as peace?
> Peace at all costs?"
where we have your rhetorical questions to which the answers are all unequivocally, "no."yet on the opposite hand, we have:
"> Continuing the sanctions that hurt the Iraqi people was better than ending a brutal dictatorship? Yeah, how about another ten years of oil for food? Not to mention torture and oppression."
referring to the pre-gulf war 2 situation in iraq...then
"> No easy answers."
... where i don't think you really intend to be describing my reaction to your offerings, but that's how it strikes me..... however, allowing myself to extrapolate, my sense of this is, ....that it is to dismiss the possibility of solution immediacy.... which doesn't seem unreasonable....okay, please try to help me out here:
in your ww2 analogy, aren't you emphasizing the historical failure of appeasement against an intractable enemy, as in, "No giving in! No lettin' 'em off!";whereas, in your reference to the pre-iraq war situation you attack the un sanctions, and by extension the entire regime of international punitive efforts against iraq for gulf war 1.
so i'm getting a double vision of your view because we can either condemn whatever appeasement it is that you are denouncing or you may condemn the punishment the internationally imposed sanctions: do you feel we were being too hard on iraq with the sanctions Or were they getting off too lightly, ala some sweet-heart deal with some bambozzled neville chamberlian-like baffoon?
can you see that my problem here is that the combination of
defeat in gulf war 1;
food-for-oil;
no-fly zones with regular air strikes;
the weapon inspections;
nation-wide u-2 overflights;
along with the other international sanctions seem to be the opposite of appeasement?and another serious problem, for me, here, is the entire ww2 analogy: although hitler was a bad guy and saddam hussein was/is a bad guy, the parallels between pre-gulf war 2 iraq and our situation with nazi germany before entered ww2 are very thin.
germany had a series of unrelieved successes dominating europe with its fully operational war machine against no effective opposition.
iraq's military was seriously degraded by gulf war 1, had all of the above listed encumberances to re-building its capabilities, while 2/3 of the country had nato overflights and un inspectors searched for any signs of weapons development...
so the pre-gulf war 2 iraq does not make out as the implacable unrestrained nazi germany analog by any reasonable stretch... and as far as i recall there was no neville chamberlain coming to them to seek accommodation either .... unless we were to count bush 1's ending of gulf war 1
i'd ask if abandoning the ww2 analogy isn't for the best?
of course it hasn't been in dispute that mr. hussien regime was a brutal dictatorship, but that has not been any different than when we put him into power in the 70s, thank you donald rumsfeld and the bush 1 team..... and being a brutal dictatorship hasn't been sufficient cause for us to go to war until recently ... we have installed and supported brutal dictatorships more often than not, iran, indonesia, chile, guatemala come to mind... and if changing our past bad behavior was a goal then there should be consideration for the brutal dictatorships which pose more formidable threats to world peace, which iraq scarcely was, such as china or .... saudi arabia ...
so despite my attempts i have failed to engage the vision you have offered.... i apologize
would help me clear up these confusions, please?
your civil friend,
~ jim
Posted by Dinah on April 18, 2003, at 23:02:36
In reply to Re: Everyone wants real peace » Dinah, posted by lil' jimi on April 18, 2003, at 22:17:41
>
> would help me clear up these confusions, please?
>
> your civil friend,
> ~ jimSorry, Jim. But my point was that this is a place I go to maintain relationships. The only place really that I have to do that.
I wasn't throwing down the gauntlet, or challenging you to a debate.
I wasn't intending to be bristly with JYL either. I'm just so tired of having to defend those things that are important to me, and I can't not do it.
I know you'll say that I should just not read.
I tend to think that I don't belong here or anywhere else. I can't do this sort of thing. It upsets me too much.
Posted by leeran on April 18, 2003, at 23:31:30
In reply to Re: Everyone wants real peace » lil' jimi, posted by Dinah on April 18, 2003, at 23:02:36
"I tend to think that I don't belong here or anywhere else."
Forgive me if I'm intruding, but based on reading so many of your posts (present) and even some in the archives, my impression is that not only do you belong here, but you are very much needed and looked to for advice, goodwill and nonjudgemental support.
Just today I spent about thirty minutes looking up a few terms you used in one of your posts on one of the other boards and I realized that one of the terms could definitely apply to the way I look at the world (and I didn't even know it was something the psychiatric community viewed as "not normal").
The fact that you are so open about yourself is incredibly helpful to other people. I've always hopscotched around my "issues" and reading your posts has made me feel a bit more accepting of myself (and my baggage) after all these years! And I'm not just shining your apple!
Posted by lil' jimi on April 19, 2003, at 0:15:43
In reply to Re: Everyone wants real peace » lil' jimi, posted by Dinah on April 18, 2003, at 23:02:36
> >
> > would help me clear up these confusions, please?
> >
> > your civil friend,
> > ~ jim
>
> Sorry, Jim. But my point was that this is a place I go to maintain relationships. The only place really that I have to do that.
>
> I wasn't throwing down the gauntlet, or challenging you to a debate.
>
> I wasn't intending to be bristly with JYL either. I'm just so tired of having to defend those things that are important to me, and I can't not do it.
>
> I know you'll say that I should just not read.
>
> I tend to think that I don't belong here or anywhere else. I can't do this sort of thing. It upsets me too much.
>
>
dinah,then we simply cannot do this .... i will not abet you being so upset .... as much as i looked foward to the exchenge, i would not have you feel put upon .... i would very much like for you to feel like you belong here .... your absence would be a detriment to the whole babble community, you bring so much here .... babble could much more easily get along without me
i'm really panicky about you being unhappy .... i will not say that you should just not read .... if we do not feel like having to defend anything, that should be sufficient ..... especially in this forum ... especially between two friends
i hope you will except my apology .... i honestly thought that a gaunlet had been thrown down and that it would be safe to exchange views, even in the area of politics ..... i thought you had brought it up, because the issues i offered were more about free speech .... i would never want to inhibit your speech in any way
but i like bill clinton
and
jimi hendrix, in case you hadn't guessed.
love,
~ lil' jimip.s.
i remember all my life
raining down as cold as ice
shadow of a man
a face in the window
crying in the night
the night goes into
morning just another day
happy people pass my way
looking in their eyes
i see a memory
i never realized
how happy you made meoh, mandy, you came and you gave without taking .....
Posted by Dinah on April 19, 2003, at 9:55:31
In reply to Re: Everyone wants real peace » Dinah, posted by leeran on April 18, 2003, at 23:31:30
I already knew that from reading your other posts, but I just thought it needed saying.
This board is very good for me in some ways, but stirs up feelings that would otherwise not be stirred in my little bubble of a world. I was talking to my therapist yesterday about it. He currently is in favor of my participation on the board, but sometimes I wonder if he has in mind the extra fees my participation here generates. :)
I'm glad my openness here is helpful to you. I sometimes fear I am way too open. But that's me sort of, either way too closed or way too open.
Posted by lil' jimi on April 22, 2003, at 14:09:47
In reply to Win without War (very long), posted by lil' jimi on April 17, 2003, at 16:07:50
above here somewhere, i posted:
> Opinions?
>
> Transcript of the speech given by Tim
> Robbins to the
> National Press Club in Washington DC on Tuesday, April 15, 2003.
>
> TIM ROBBINS: Thank you.
.......
<<Mr. Robbin's speech is on this thread above.>>
.......
> Event Date: April 15, 2003
> Event Name: Tim Robbins
> Details: Win Without Warhello again to all our posters ....
it's me again: "lil' jimi":
dissident, provocateur,
aggravator of this particular "civil unrest" .... (very Very civil!)((caution to all of our "too-sensitive-for-political-type-stuff-which-they-can't-agree-with" Babblers: PLEASE, please, PLuH-LEEZ,
DO NOT READ THIS!!!))(heh, heh .... like that's going to do any good!)
ah, that's better ... .. now that we're down to the-strong-of-neurotransmitter and reasonably adult-of-maturity, and it's just us folks here ..... can we ... message ?
i was just hoping that we could all social-like discuss the social experiences of what it's like to live in the social society that our Mr. Robbins is a-living in with us. To wit:
"This past weekend, Susan and I and the three kids went to Florida for a family reunion of sorts. Amidst the alcohol and the dancing, sugar-rushing children, there was, of course, talk of the war. And the most frightening thing about the weekend was the amount of times we were thanked for speaking out against the war because that individual speaking thought it unsafe to do so in their own community, in their own life.
Keep talking, they said; I haven't been able to open my mouth. "which i felt was the crux of his message (and my post).... and which, i felt, most of our responders didn't seem very responsive to ... very much, anyway.
anway ...
it is because i have felt this 'unsafety' about speaking out about these important things and that i have felt like i haven't been able "to open my mouth" .... that i'm starting to fear the consequences .... consequences like ... isn't there a penalty to pay for succumbing to what other's have called the "sedition of silence"?
and
"'Politics!'- schmolitics! ," i say .... how about just *freedom of speech* ? .... Oh, yeah, even *here* in our, oh-so, sacred Psycho-Social space.
now, if you have felt this or fear that and are willing to try this out with me and our pals, come on down!
and, if you are offended that i bring these issues up, then just please ignore me .... it is really easy .... everyone else does it all the time.
i promise to be real, Real civil-like.... honest!
to those easily-offended who are still reading this: I apologize, in advance .... and later too as the need's be ....
and as i wrote in the 1st instance:
> i thank you for your patience.
> Peace,
> ~ jim" .... same as it ever was... "
as i asked before, "Opinions?"
or experience
or inexperience
or poetry
or comedy
any other dang civil thing you got...(just no crying, okay? i'm really Not hurting anybody... really.)
peace,
~ jimp.s. i like "agreance" okay, but i dont' like them biscuit-whoever's tunes.
Posted by whiterabbit on April 22, 2003, at 15:05:13
In reply to Re: Lose with War, posted by lil' jimi on April 22, 2003, at 14:09:47
I'm not against the war but don't intend to defend my opinion as I need to conserve energy for arguing with my soon-to-be ex-husband. But as long as we're on the subject, I wanted to pass along the following information:
By law, employers of reservists are required to hold open their jobs when employees are called for active duty, but this is all that is required.
Reservists often suffer pay cuts and lose benefits
as a result of their absence.
Sears is voluntarily paying the difference in salary and maintaining all benefits, including health insurance and bonus programs, for reservist employees called to active duty. If this makes you more inclined to shop at Sears, find a manager and tell them why you decided to
spend your hard-earned dollars at their store.
The company needs and deserves positive feedback
for this policy.
-Gracie the Veteran
Posted by lil' jimi on April 22, 2003, at 15:27:39
In reply to Everyone please take a moment to read, posted by whiterabbit on April 22, 2003, at 15:05:13
hi gracie,
thank you .... "pay cuts"?... "lose benefits"? ....
(where is the public outrage?)
.... and i, incorrectly, thought that reservists had this protection, which they richly deserve ... i appreciate your enlightening me about this .... and a better reason to shop at sears and roebucks, besides that one's in my neighborhood and they sell some reeboks i like.
is there perhaps an online resource for supporting our reserves on this?
as i have said before, i support our armed forces and especially our veterans
(whose benefits were CUT (!) last week, i believe).thanks again!
supporting our troops,
~ jim
Posted by leeran on April 22, 2003, at 17:31:32
In reply to Everyone please take a moment to read, posted by whiterabbit on April 22, 2003, at 15:05:13
"I need to conserve energy for arguing with my soon-to-be ex-husband"
Absolutely, Gracie! Hold your cards close and keep your eyes open. Don't settle for anything less than all you deserve.
My first husband "got to me" in a weak moment on or around April 15 (several years ago) and I was so desperate to "get it over with" that I ended up paying all of the income tax we owed and letting him have his 80 acre "hunting playground" for less than market value. I know all that sounds material (lol, vs. immaterial - but I mean material in the sense of materialistic, which is what I should have SAID), but in a way, it's MORE than material(istic) because it's how you end up feeling afterwards when the dust settles that's important.
My ex-husband played tug-of-war right down to the friggin' coasters and bottle stoppers. And the s.o.b. made off with about five years worth (or more) of my serotonin.
If you ever want to email me for divorce "pep talks" please feel free. :-)
Posted by whiterabbit on April 22, 2003, at 18:16:17
In reply to Re: Everyone please take a moment to read » whiterabbit, posted by leeran on April 22, 2003, at 17:31:32
Posted by leeran on April 22, 2003, at 18:28:23
In reply to Re: Everyone please take a moment to read » whiterabbit, posted by leeran on April 22, 2003, at 17:31:32
And whatever you do, don't bail out :)
Your post about bailing really was a metaphor for life, at least for me.
I don't know how many times I have done things the hardest way possible because I just didn't KNOW any other way.
Note: Noa, I'm not saying you should have known the bail trick, I sure didn't! I'm just saying that I felt your "world weariness" when you described the bail moment, and then there was one of those "aha" moments when I read Gracie's post. I can get so overwhelmed over things like that. Stopped up drains/toilets. Ants. Leaky faucets. PIGEONS (that's my latest heartache). We have a pigeon that spends more time on our chaise lounge than I do.
Posted by whiterabbit on April 22, 2003, at 19:27:22
In reply to I have a brand new b.b. gun if you need it ;-) » leeran, posted by leeran on April 22, 2003, at 18:28:23
So that's why you bought a BB gun! I might need to borrow that thang from you, a BB gun is perfect. I don't want to kill him, I need the money.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
-Gracie
Posted by leeran on April 22, 2003, at 19:57:24
In reply to Pigeons?, posted by whiterabbit on April 22, 2003, at 19:27:22
This is so funny. The other night when we bought the DANG THING I asked the salesperson if it is illegal to kill pigeons in California (please, PETA people, I'm sorry but I've tried everything, I truly have).
Afterwards, my husband said "I told you not to mention the reason for buying it to anyone! Do you think everyone wears a white collar?" LOL, guilty me. Already sentencing myself for a crime I haven't yet committed. AND HERE I AM CONFESSING ON A BOARD (my husband is right, I'm looking for world forgiveness).
I have killed a snake with a b.b. gun, and it was no easy task.
I only did it for my mother (oh yeah, it always comes back to her) because she has a horrid fear of snakes and this one was on her garage door - and it was back in another part of the country where kids get their first b.b. gun on their first birthday (do not say anything that could lead others to feel put-down, but I am not identifying what area of what country).
It took at least 50 - 100 b.b.'s (b.b.s?) because it (a) was dark (b) snakes are skinny (c) I'm not a good shot.
So, if it's a "snake in the grass" that 'yer needin' helpin' with, sorry, that "ain't" me - but if yer' lookin' to down a garage door snake, give me a jingle.
Lee
Posted by lil' jimi on April 22, 2003, at 20:45:24
In reply to LOL, yes, THAT'S WHY! » whiterabbit, posted by leeran on April 22, 2003, at 19:57:24
hi grace and lee,
could maybe someone go get miller in on this ..... seems i "heard" her "say" something about her situation and maybe she could use some of y'all's advice .... or support for her parallels to grace's issue here
(i'm an ol' fashioned husband... "for richer or poorer and in sickness and in health" means something to me... going on 17 years .... and my sweet wife is my saving angel.... many times over.)
just don't shoot me with no BB gun! ... heck, i'm on y'all's side!
i'm from/in texas ....(land of BB guns for 6yr-olds?)..... bad husbands? ..... with younger women?...... Get a Rope !
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