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Posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 16:33:37
Friends,
Today I got an email. Over a year ago, I posted the first Gate on a board that is for people trying to be free from the addiction to BZDs. and was expelled for its message before I could post another Gate. Today, the email was from a person that saw that message. He has been free from Klonopin for 5 months now, even though he was addicted for 10 years. He attributed his start to overcomming his addiction to that message.
Today we are living in a time of great darkness. It is a time in history like the darkest of times. It is a time that darkness is so great that it must be the time before the dawn. There is a light. When I was in the City of Peace, I asked about the light and I was told, " Before the dawn, when it is the darkest, you will see the Morning Star. And then the Sun of Righteousness will arise and will have healing in His wings. "
Friends,when the Sun of Righteousness arises, the light will stream and cast out the darkness. I have seen the healing. I have seen the Morning Star, for it comes durring the darkest time of your life, just as the time before the dawn is the darkest.
Lou
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 20, 2002, at 18:21:29
In reply to The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 16:33:37
Lou:
You don't advocate going off meds when one has a mental illness, do you? I've never gotten that from your posts, but this one seems to indicate that.
If so, then you ARE a danger to this community because some of us are often second-guessing the decision that actually saved our lives.
I was told by a tarot reader this weekend that my depression, mania and suicidal tendencies would go away once I discovered who I was. She said, "I've been suicidal" without having any concept of what that was. My depression stimmed from the fact that I didn't scream every morning and stand up for myself more.
Her irresponsibilty really threw me for a loop.
Please say this isn't part of your philosophy. Even my strict Christian parents are coming to accept the validity of medication for disorder of the brain.
- kk
Posted by Phil on May 20, 2002, at 18:47:05
In reply to The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 16:33:37
Lou, Was he addicted or taking it as indicated by his doctor and dependent on it. How did he stop and why if it was indicated for his condition.
Posted by kid_A on May 20, 2002, at 19:34:05
In reply to The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 16:33:37
Right now xanax is one of the few things that allow me to get through 4 hours of the day without pulling all of my hair out, so GOD BLESS XANAX, it is a blessed thing...When I stop taking xanax, when I am ready to do so, I will have to taper, it is not like excorcising the devil...
When I stop taking anti-depressants, when I am ready to do so, I will have to taper, it is not like excorcising ghosts...
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 20:51:29
In reply to Re: The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life » Lou Pilder, posted by Phil on May 20, 2002, at 18:47:05
Phil,
Thank you for your interest in this discussion. The person in question became addicted without being warned by the doctor that addiction could occur if the drug was taken beyond 7-10 days. (In England, they say 4 weeks). After trying to taper off the BZD, he reached a point where withdrawal symptoms would occur even though he was tappering. So he always had to reinstate the drug to avoid the withdrawal symptoms. This is very common with the tapering strategy. In fact, there are people that find it impossible to ever withdrawal because they have clonic seizures and other withdrawal symptoms no matter how they taper. If you use a Google serch with "xanax,danger", you will find a list of some reports about the dangers of xanax.
Thanks again for your interest,
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 21:13:41
In reply to benzodiazepines get thee behind me..., posted by kid_A on May 20, 2002, at 19:34:05
Kid_A,
Thank you for your interest in this discussion. I would like to continue our discussion and I am asking you if you could take a few minuets to key in a Google search and read:
Xanax-A Voyage Into The Twilight Zone.
Thanks again for your interest,
Lou
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 20, 2002, at 21:41:13
In reply to Re: benzodiazepines get thee behind me... » kid_A, posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 21:13:41
Posted by christophrejmc on May 20, 2002, at 21:46:33
In reply to Lou's answer to Phil » Phil, posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 20:51:29
> If you use a Google serch with "xanax,danger", you will find a list of some reports about the dangers of xanax.
"xanax,danger" results from Google: 2,960
"xanax,safe" results from Google: 7,280What does this mean? nothing...
see ya later, alligator
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 21:48:43
In reply to Re: The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life » Lou Pilder, posted by Krazy Kat on May 20, 2002, at 18:21:29
Krazy Kat,
Thank you for your interest in this discussion. I want to answer the most important question that you have first, and that is whether or not I believe in the cessation of psychotropic drugs.
I beleive , first, that just about all of the people that are suffering from these afflictions want to overcome them. And I believe that we all have that destiny. I believe that there is a way to overcome these afflictions and I believe that ,and I will have to explain this later, that your affliction is a GIFT and that you will one day count it as a great joy!
Now to answer your question, I have known thousands of people that have overcome these afflictions. Some tossed their drugs in the garbage can right away, and some kept taking them untill they had the power to overcome without them. I spoke to a man that was drinking for 5 years a case of beer a day. When he started his Road to overcomming, he could not stop drinking right away. After 2 years, he had stopped all beer. He now follows a new path and has stopped drinking altogether.
I know a man that was taking multiple neuroleptic drugs for years and decieded that he wanted to go on a new road. He could not stop taking the neuroleptics immediatly. But as he received new light, he took less and less of them under a doctors supervision and finally was free from them. After 2 years, he was healed. I also know of a case where the person was taking 3 drugs and reduced it to just one, and is still taking the one. Perhaps he will have to take it for the rest of his life.But he is a new person. I know a person that takes Zyprexz, Paxil, and Risperdol. He was, unfoutianatly, severly damaged from the older drugs given in the 50's and 60's. He has to take them for the rest of his life.But he is a new person. I am not advising anyone to quit their drug unless they have their doctors supervision to do so.
Thanks agian for your interest,
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 21:56:37
In reply to fun with numbers, posted by christophrejmc on May 20, 2002, at 21:46:33
Chris,
Thanks for your creative post. It is thinking like yours that enriches this board.
Lou
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 21, 2002, at 5:58:55
In reply to Re: fun with numbers » christophrejmc, posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 21:56:37
Google found 91,100 results for dangerous drinking water, Lou.
beardy : )>
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 6:53:20
In reply to drinking water danger: 91,100, posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 21, 2002, at 5:58:55
Beadedlady,
Thank you for your interest in this discussion. could you clarify what conclusion you are trying to convey by stating that there are 91,100 results from Google when you key in dangerous drinking water?
Thanks,
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 7:09:12
In reply to Re: The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life » Lou Pilder, posted by Krazy Kat on May 20, 2002, at 18:21:29
Krazy Kat,
You wanted to know my philosophy about , it appears, terrot card readers . I do not give any credibility to terot card readers. Also, I am not a member of Christiandom.
What I have been telling here is what I have actually experianced. The Rider on the White Horse is not Christiandom's "Jesus". I am including these comments because you have made a refference to your parents being strict christians and I do not want any readers to think that I am a member of Christiandom.
Thank you for your interest,
Lou
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 21, 2002, at 9:09:08
In reply to Re: drinking water danger: 91,100 » BeARdEdLaDY, posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 6:53:20
You were saying that Xanax is dangerous and using the number of results of a Google search to prove it. But that doesn't prove anything. According to Google, drinking water is dangerous, too--and way more web sites show drinking water and danger linked than Xanax and danger.
Xanax may be dangerous, but we have to be careful what information we take from the web--and what information we take out of context.
The benefits of Xanax to people like Kid A far outweigh the dangers. For you, however, Xanax might be a dangerous solution. We all try to do what's best for ourselves.
beardy : )>
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 9:27:37
In reply to Re: drinking water danger: 91,100 » Lou Pilder, posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 21, 2002, at 9:09:08
Beadedlady,
Your state that I was useing the number of results from a Google search to prove that Xanax is dangerous . I wrote: If you do a sesrch you will find some reports on the dangers of Xanax.
Could you clarify how that statement means that I was using "the number of results" to prove that Xanax is dangerous?
I would appreciate your response.
Thanks,
Lou
Posted by kiddo on May 21, 2002, at 9:29:03
In reply to drinking water danger: 91,100, posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 21, 2002, at 5:58:55
Hiya Beardy!
This is eerie, IMO. I guess what struck me was the 911 and how their worried that terrorists may do something to the water at some point.....
Just thinking-hmmm, think that's my problem? Maybe I should try not thinking and see what happens...could be my miracle cure...hehe
Kiddo
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 21, 2002, at 10:29:08
In reply to Lou's answer to Krazy Kat (more) » Krazy Kat, posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 7:09:12
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 10:34:03
In reply to are you a member of any club? (nm) » Lou Pilder, posted by Krazy Kat on May 21, 2002, at 10:29:08
Krazy Kat,
Could you clarify what you mean by "club"?
Thanks,
Lou
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 21, 2002, at 10:49:36
In reply to Re: are you a member of any club? » Krazy Kat, posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 10:34:03
I'm sorry, Lou, I'm kind of joking. Still thinking of my favorite Groucho Marx line, "I won't be a member of any club that will have me."
Your philosophy sounds Very much like fundamental Christianty to me, Lou, still. But that's neither here nor there.
I just hope you'll be careful in your message re: meds - if I were to stop my stabilizer, I would be in serious danger of suicide again, and I don't think that is uncommon. We know these illnesses are organic now, and need medical support the same way a diabetic or heart patient does.
Take care.
- kk
Posted by Ron Hill on May 21, 2002, at 10:52:21
In reply to Lou's answer to Krazy Kat (more) » Krazy Kat, posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 7:09:12
>The Rider on the White Horse is not Christiandom's "Jesus".
--------------------If you deny Me before men, I will deny you before My Father.
-- Ron
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 11:17:53
In reply to Re: Lou's answer to Krazy Kat (more) » Lou Pilder, posted by Ron Hill on May 21, 2002, at 10:52:21
Ron ,
You quoted , "If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father." Many times people have asked me if I "believe in Jesus". My answer is always, "Which one?" The Jesus of the Spainish Inquesition? The Jesus of Nazi Germany? The Jesus of the slave owners in colonial America? The Jesus that says that all Jews are going to Hell because they are Jewish and have not believed on Him? The Jesus that legislated segregation in this country? The jesus that men are killing others in Ireland about? The Jesus that the churches say that if you don't join my church you are from the devil? The jesus that says that he came invisibly in 1914? The jesus that says that there are special books that there denomination only has? The jesus that says that the US and Britian are the lost tribes of Isreal and thearfor they are the true jews that all of the promises go to? The jesus that says that only white people are "saved" because Noah was white? The jesus that says that all catholics are from the devil because they have a pope? The jesus that says that all protostants are from the devil because they do not have a pope?
When He said that sentance that you quoted, He meant that the people who live their lives in denial of God, that just because they belonged to a church ,or what, that their membership was not enough for entrance into the Kingdom of God. They could still deny God's existance by living a life of darkness which is the denial. The denial is the life of the person if it is in darkness, and the affirmation of Him is a life of light. A life that shines in the darkness. For He said, "You are the light of the world".
Lou
Posted by kid_A on May 21, 2002, at 11:21:14
In reply to Re: Lou's answer to Ron Hill » Ron Hill, posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 11:17:53
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 11:28:01
In reply to you forgot the Jesus that panhandles for change... (nm), posted by kid_A on May 21, 2002, at 11:21:14
Kid-A,
Thank you for joining this discussion. You always have a good contribution to thse posts. Could you give us any more "jesuses?"
Thanks,
Lou
Posted by kid_A on May 21, 2002, at 11:29:57
In reply to Re: you forgot the Jesus that panhandles for change... » kid_A, posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 11:28:01
xxx
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 21, 2002, at 11:33:12
In reply to link inside: this guy might not be Jesus but..., posted by kid_A on May 21, 2002, at 11:29:57
oh, man, kid, you are so funny...
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