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Posted by Deneb on November 2, 2009, at 17:37:42
I saw pdoc today. She didn't know what had happened. I told her and she gave me a paper with four categories on it:
Situation, Feeling, Negative Thinking, Rational Responses
She told me to fill it out..
I started getting upset again so I am filling it out, but I can't come up with anything that makes me feel better. This is what I have so far:
Situation: Pdoc doesn't give me reasons to live.
Feeling: Distressed, sad, upset
-ve Thinking: Pdoc doesn't care about me and wants me to die.
Rational Response: Pdoc doesn't care about meSituation: Pdoc said she is very disappointed in me.
Feeling: Distressed, feel like failure, hopeless, upset
-ve Thinking: Pdoc is very disappointed in me and she thinks I am hopeless.
Rational Response: Pdoc thinks I am hopelessCan someone help me out with this? I think I am doing something wrong.
Posted by Dinah on November 2, 2009, at 17:40:21
In reply to I need some help with rational responses, posted by Deneb on November 2, 2009, at 17:37:42
See my post to you above.
Welcome to CBT!
Posted by Deneb on November 2, 2009, at 17:50:43
In reply to Re: I need some help with rational responses » Deneb, posted by Dinah on November 2, 2009, at 17:40:21
Thanks Dinah.
I've decided to read "Feeling Good" by David Burns. I never did read through it all and I never actually did the exercises. Maybe I will find some better rational responses from the book.
Posted by seldomseen on November 2, 2009, at 18:31:52
In reply to I need some help with rational responses, posted by Deneb on November 2, 2009, at 17:37:42
So, Deneb, I don't know if this is a good exercise for you or not. But the rational responses thing sounds a whole lot like alternative hypothesis generation.
One thing I do know is that you like the sciences and alternative hypothesis generation is something you probably already know how to do.
For instance: In a chemical reaction, I may observe the transient formation of an intermediate molecule that is immediately converted into another molecule. This last molecule is the end point of the reaction.
Now the most obvious interpretation is that the transient intermediate is not stable and converts into the end point molecule.
Is there another hypothesis that might explain the presence of the transient molecule?
Sure!
1. The transient molecule is not unstable, but there is a contaminating catalyst in the reactants that converts the transient molecule into the end product.
2. The molecule isn't transient at all, but your ability to detect it isn't stable.
3. The transient molecule is actually a different form of one of your reactants that is consumed quickly in the reaction.
See? Think crazy, in other words, try to think like a scientist. It'll get you out of the box.
We can practice tonight in chat if we catch each other.
Seldom.
Posted by Phillipa on November 3, 2009, at 11:26:06
In reply to Re: I need some help with rational responses » Deneb, posted by seldomseen on November 2, 2009, at 18:31:52
Sure is scientific thinking you lost me. My answer to Deneb was number four replace with positive thought. Too simple for a genius mind and that is you Deneb. Phillipa
Posted by gibbons482 on November 3, 2009, at 13:07:06
In reply to I need some help with rational responses, posted by Deneb on November 2, 2009, at 17:37:42
Rational Responses to your two Situations:
1. Pdoc doesn't give me a reason to live.
Rational Response: I need more verbal reassurance from my pdoc and I need to ask for it.2. Pdoc says she is very disappointed in me.
Rational Response: Pdoc has a vested interest in me and cares enough about me to want me to get better that sometimes she gets disappointed.
Posted by emilyp on November 4, 2009, at 0:12:31
In reply to I need some help with rational responses, posted by Deneb on November 2, 2009, at 17:37:42
I agree with whoever posted, but it sounds like for you the best way to get a more meaningful 'rational response' is to substitute optimistic for rational. I say that especially as it relates to your therapist - I know that you have been hurt and frustrated lately. But it would probably help if you stepped back and really thought about your therapist. It is hard to believe she does not care about you. When you get thoughts like that, you need to shake yourself a bit and really make sure you are being honest with yourself.
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