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Posted by Dinah on November 19, 2007, at 23:06:30
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file?, posted by star008 on November 19, 2007, at 22:55:18
I don't think I could talk to him if I knew he was writing things down.
Sounds weird, doesn't it, when I spill my guts routinely on an internet bulletin board with the potential audience of any and everyone.
But at least these are my own words. I find that when someone else writes down what I'm saying, it's not really what I said at all. Not even if they quote. Because they're taking the quote out of context, even if they write it word for word. Whenever I've read my notes, I usually get upset.
Even with my therapist really. He doesn't say much at all, and nothing of substance. But I still don't like how he says it. (Every once in a while I ask him what he wrote and he'll read it. Like if he write something at an unusual time.)
Posted by obsidian on November 19, 2007, at 23:11:12
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file? » star008, posted by Dinah on November 19, 2007, at 23:06:30
"obsidian is tearful, labile....I can no longer work with this exasperating, intractable patient, yadda yadda yadda"
or something like that...
just kidding
Posted by star008 on November 19, 2007, at 23:23:20
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file?, posted by obsidian on November 19, 2007, at 23:11:12
I hate the notes too.. Really hate them but I have been in therapy so long that I no longer care if it is on paper.. I do hate it when he reads something I said though and I don't like it at all when he starts talking about what we talked about that last time I was there either.. He didn't used to take notes when I was around but the notes were there anyway.. He listened and then wrote the stuff down later. No, I don't like it but it is reality.. They can't remember everything you ever told them without looking it up..
Posted by star008 on November 19, 2007, at 23:24:19
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file? » obsidian, posted by star008 on November 19, 2007, at 23:23:20
sorry that note was for everyone
Posted by Dinah on November 19, 2007, at 23:34:14
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file? » obsidian, posted by star008 on November 19, 2007, at 23:23:20
Is it awful to admit that I *like* that my therapist forgets what I've told him? Maybe at first it was annoying, but after all this time together it's a pretty handy trait. I can tell him something and it's like it's totally new and interesting to him. And I can compare his response to the last time I told him.
I also preface any remarks I make building on a previous session with a brief recap of that session so that he can either refresh his memory or fake it. I don't inquire too closely.
Posted by star008 on November 19, 2007, at 23:43:10
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file?, posted by Dinah on November 19, 2007, at 23:34:14
Dinah,
I know you weren't meaning to be funny but you made me laugh.. I have done the same thing.. Tell them something twice and it is interesting and then and watch the reaction the second time..Sometimes it was so much different too..lol other times there were things I said that I didn't want to talk about again and the forgetting was helpful..Doesn't happen much for me anymore.. The notes help him out..d
Posted by Dinah on November 19, 2007, at 23:47:12
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file?, posted by star008 on November 19, 2007, at 23:43:10
Welll..... I didn't mean to be *not* funny. :)
Posted by star008 on November 20, 2007, at 0:13:54
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file? » star008, posted by Dinah on November 19, 2007, at 23:47:12
One time my T forgot something really important that had a major affect on my life.. It was a really huge terrible thing. To him it was new info
and he was all concerned about it.. I told him that I told him about it years ago and he went and looked back and saw that I had. I understand the limits of a therapeutic relationship but this was so big that i was hurt that he forgot. I think maybe he didn't believe me when I told him about it the first time and let it go?? It was sexual abuse by someone that he wsn't directly involved with but was familiar with.. how could he forget that one??
Posted by Dinah on November 20, 2007, at 0:26:57
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file?, posted by star008 on November 20, 2007, at 0:13:54
It isn't at all funny when that happens. I think things like that might have happened closer to the beginning of our therapy. And it did hurt.
There is something that I told him exactly once and never intend to tell him again, and sometimes he seems like he has forgotten it. And I'll get upset and say that if he didn't remember it, then good, I certainly won't tell him again. And he says he does remember. I guess I'll never know because I'll never ask him what it is he thinks I'm talking about, or let him talk about it.
I'm sorry if my answer sounded flippant. It wasn't meant that way, and it bothered me as soon as I hit submit.
All I meant was that I rarely intend to be funny. I never set out to make people laugh, and I doubt I could if I tried. But sometimes, like this time, I find humor in my thoughts or actions, or in the human condition, and I'm always open to sharing my amusement with others and am happy to do so. Just as when I'm feeling playful I tend to enjoy sharing that with others, and am happy when I succeed.
I didn't mean to make light of the topic, or minimize the possible pain it can bring.
I was just remembering fondly some exchanges with my therapist.
Posted by star008 on November 20, 2007, at 1:04:23
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file? » star008, posted by Dinah on November 20, 2007, at 0:26:57
beauty..
probably way more than you asked for. hope we were able to help you anyway.. please let me know if you have more questions
Posted by beautymarked on November 20, 2007, at 1:18:10
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file?, posted by star008 on November 20, 2007, at 1:04:23
Yeah, you guys helped :)
Nothing really surprised me. I just wanted to know HOW detailed--like if they would write about, say, a movie you casually bring up and relate to but may have no significance about your treatment. Or intellectual beliefs. It's really impossible for them to write down every detail though. The reason I asked WAS because my therapist read over my previous therapist's notes, so I was wondering how much information he would've known.
Thanks everyone. If you have anything more to contribute, please do :)
> beauty..
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> probably way more than you asked for. hope we were able to help you anyway.. please let me know if you have more questions
Posted by star008 on November 20, 2007, at 2:26:11
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file?, posted by beautymarked on November 20, 2007, at 1:18:10
beauty.
I think it has to do with the therapist about how detailed things are.. mine would remember the movie..lol In themedical field if there is no documentation then nothing was done.You have to document in case anyone comes back to check you out with insurance or lawsuits. I would like toask my T how long he will keep those records and if he can dispose of the older ones. My life on paper..I don't know that I care thatmuch but would rather dispose of the pain than have it forever written on paper..sorry if it got way off track beauty.. I think u should just ask. Must feel strange not knowing how much someone knows about you and trying to talk to them.. I can see why you asked
hugs
Posted by Phillipa on November 20, 2007, at 11:50:59
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file?, posted by star008 on November 20, 2007, at 2:26:11
Don't some dictate notes and then transcribe later? I know my pdoc does a quick checklist is all and then writes the prescriptions for documentation. Phillipa
Posted by Muffled on November 21, 2007, at 22:05:17
In reply to What do Ts write about in your file?, posted by beautymarked on November 19, 2007, at 19:59:12
My T writes very little.
I think for legal reasons they keep it to a minimum perhaps.
Also, not enuf time for copious notes!
My T has seemingly forgotten stuff, or MANY times 'not gotten' stuff I thot I was very clear about previously...
I communicate mostly by writing.
Maybe thats why?
Anyhow, its taken a long time, but I finally feel she 'gets' me more often, and 'knows' me much better, and as a result sometimes even anticipates stuff.
I dunno, the whole T relationship thing is SO freaking confusing at best....
Good luck w/therapy!
Can you ask to see the previous T's notes? Or ask what they said?
I have occasionally asked bout reports etc, it was VERY hard to do, and VERY hard to hear somehow though...
Take care, pleased to meet you.
Muffled
Posted by star008 on November 22, 2007, at 7:10:39
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file? » star008, posted by Phillipa on November 20, 2007, at 11:50:59
Yes I think alot of them just take short notes and dictate later.. Alot of clients don't like the T writing things down while they are talking to them. I am sure some are more detailed than others. The ones I have seen are detailed enough for you to figure out what is going on..Because of my job I have seen more than a few of their notes. I try not to read them at all if there is not info there I need.
Posted by antigua3 on November 23, 2007, at 6:47:58
In reply to What do Ts write about in your file?, posted by beautymarked on November 19, 2007, at 19:59:12
My T never takes notes, unless it's to remind her about something (maybe something we agreed to talk about next time), and that's usually on a scrap of paper on her messy desk. She says she never keeps notes, at least with people like me, to protect us both. She has an absolutely excellent memory. What I like is that her note taking doesn't detract from our session.
My pdoc, on the other hand, takes copious notes, all the time, to the point of not being fully involved with the session. I would never want to read what he writes! Since I think he misinterprets me so much, I would hate him for what he writes. I'm always asking him, "What are you doing?" when it looks like he's writing something major. It's something to discuss; I've already told him that all his electronic gadgets bother me--he writes everything into his fancy computer, and as I said, I never want to know what he writes. It's something for us to work on.
antigua
Posted by Racer on November 23, 2007, at 23:58:47
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file?, posted by antigua3 on November 23, 2007, at 6:47:58
Today, I told my T about this thread, and asked her about her notes. We talked about it a little, and then she showed me a page of notes from a few weeks ago.
She said that, way back when she first started her practice, she took too many notes -- and learned that when her records were subpoenaed for a custody case. Now she takes much shorter notes as a result. Her memory is notoriously bad, it's a joke with her clients at this point, and she never takes notes during sessions, so I don't expect her to remember most details of what we talk about. She remembers the oddest things, sometimes, and that can be inconvenient. (Of course, she also remembers quite salient things -- she mentioned the other day that she remembered me saying that if I couldn't get pregnant, at least I could work on losing some of the weight I've gained. She brought that up the other day, after asking how much I was eating -- a subject we actually never talk about.) After talking about them a little, she handed over a page of notes from a couple of weeks ago, right before and during my hospitalization. There were several days worth of notes, handwritten, and had various brief comments. I wish now I'd asked to see some notes that weren't from that period, to see what "normal" notes looked like, but at least I have a pretty good idea now of what's in my file.
The other thing that would help would be legible handwriting...
It helps that I trust her. Way back, we talked about it, and I said that I probably would want to read my whole file at some point. She said that we would talk about it, and that she'd want to do it in session, but that if I really wanted to, we would do that. I found that reassuring.
Posted by beautymarked on November 26, 2007, at 22:11:14
In reply to I asked my T about this today, and read some notes, posted by Racer on November 23, 2007, at 23:58:47
Hi Racer,
I'm glad that you satiated your curiosity. I guess the only way to do it is to ask your T directly huh :) Can I ask if what your T wrote were like interpretations or just brief facts about what you experienced and what you felt?
> Today, I told my T about this thread, and asked her about her notes. We talked about it a little, and then she showed me a page of notes from a few weeks ago.
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> She said that, way back when she first started her practice, she took too many notes -- and learned that when her records were subpoenaed for a custody case. Now she takes much shorter notes as a result. Her memory is notoriously bad, it's a joke with her clients at this point, and she never takes notes during sessions, so I don't expect her to remember most details of what we talk about. She remembers the oddest things, sometimes, and that can be inconvenient. (Of course, she also remembers quite salient things -- she mentioned the other day that she remembered me saying that if I couldn't get pregnant, at least I could work on losing some of the weight I've gained. She brought that up the other day, after asking how much I was eating -- a subject we actually never talk about.) After talking about them a little, she handed over a page of notes from a couple of weeks ago, right before and during my hospitalization. There were several days worth of notes, handwritten, and had various brief comments. I wish now I'd asked to see some notes that weren't from that period, to see what "normal" notes looked like, but at least I have a pretty good idea now of what's in my file.
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> The other thing that would help would be legible handwriting...
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> It helps that I trust her. Way back, we talked about it, and I said that I probably would want to read my whole file at some point. She said that we would talk about it, and that she'd want to do it in session, but that if I really wanted to, we would do that. I found that reassuring.
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Posted by lovelorn on November 27, 2007, at 10:39:14
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file? » star008, posted by Phillipa on November 20, 2007, at 11:50:59
Interesting question and replies. My therapist doesn't take notes while we are speaking. I am going to ask her if she writes some afterwards. Either way, she is good in remembering what we've said from session to session. I see her tomorrow and will ask her what she writes, if anything.
Posted by Racer on November 27, 2007, at 20:27:04
In reply to Re: I asked my T about this today, and read some n, posted by beautymarked on November 26, 2007, at 22:11:14
> Hi Racer,
>
> I'm glad that you satiated your curiosity. I guess the only way to do it is to ask your T directly huh :) Can I ask if what your T wrote were like interpretations or just brief facts about what you experienced and what you felt?
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In this case, they were notes about an urgent situation that arose, so they were mostly facts -- "spoke with husband; lots of frantic telephone calls" -- and there were just very brief notes covering several days worth of events. The notes from actual sessions were things like, "Asked for a 'light session' today, affect flat" -- very brief, and frankly I've forgotten the details. (I remember that one only because it made me remember that I did ask for a lighter session than we'd been having.) There really wasn't much to anything on the page she gave me to read.Probably why she chose that one... ;-)
Posted by Dinah on November 27, 2007, at 21:03:08
In reply to Re: I asked my T about this today, and read some n » beautymarked, posted by Racer on November 27, 2007, at 20:27:04
Maybe it's just me, but I hate remarks about my "affect". Probably some leftover from the great schizotypal argument.
Posted by Racer on November 28, 2007, at 1:46:53
In reply to Re: I asked my T about this today, and read some n » Racer, posted by Dinah on November 27, 2007, at 21:03:08
> Maybe it's just me, but I hate remarks about my "affect". Probably some leftover from the great schizotypal argument.
The affect part was probably because she told me during that session to contact my pdoc, and "make sure you say flat affect" -- it was funny, to me, because she's SO not a "flat affect" sort of therapist, in general.
As for schizotypal, I'll have to ask her if it fits me. Last time, she brought up Asperger's...
Posted by lovelorn on November 28, 2007, at 13:49:28
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file? » star008, posted by Phillipa on November 20, 2007, at 11:50:59
Ha. Well, I asked my therapist today and she said she does write notes after the sessions. Don't know if I will ever ask her to see them. She does a good job as she always remembers things that I have mentioned and sometimes surprises me with how well she remembers the people and situations I talk about.
Posted by Phillipa on November 28, 2007, at 18:10:52
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file? » Phillipa, posted by lovelorn on November 28, 2007, at 13:49:28
Lovelorn good for you now you have an answer. Think maybe I should ask mine tomorrow? Phillipa
Posted by lovelorn on November 28, 2007, at 19:38:10
In reply to Re: What do Ts write about in your file? » lovelorn, posted by Phillipa on November 28, 2007, at 18:10:52
Sure. Satisfying curiosities are (most) always a good thing. lol.
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