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Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 20:54:36
I can feel it. Like pink floyd song "...and I feel one of my turns comming on. I feel cold as a rasorblade, tight as a tourniquet, dry as a funeral drum. Run to the bedroom in the suitcase on the left you'll find my favorite axe. Don't look so frightened, its just a passing phase, one of my bad days....." 'cept its not a favorite axe, its a favoite something else. At least I don't hurt nobody but myself. Least I don't die. I don't know whether there's a cure for this crazyness?....anyhow, I'll end up posting something stupid and then get blocked for two weeks and then you won't have to have me around. I think I'm too wacko anyway. Crazy wacko better than internal pain. Outside pain is better than inside pain. F*ck, F*ck, F*ck. Block me baby. Ha.
Wacko Muffled the idiot one. 2crazy4u. I wish it would go away. Don't see T. till next Thurs. Shiiiiiiiiiii*
Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 20:56:32
In reply to I going bad.**TRigger**, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 20:54:36
Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 21:04:25
In reply to Don't read above. Tooo stupid,stupid,stupid (nm), posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 20:56:32
I must've found her. She is so angry. Manoman is she mad. Maybe I'd better just leave her alone. Sorry about that. I don't usu. get quite so crazy. Kinda scared me some. I'm going to bed.
Muffled.
Posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 21:11:23
In reply to I going bad.**TRigger**, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 20:54:36
please try not to hurt our muffled
(((Muffled)))
i hope you manage to get some sleep...
and wake up feeling a lot better.do you know what the anger is about?
Posted by Damos on November 2, 2005, at 21:28:37
In reply to I going bad.**TRigger**, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 20:54:36
Please be safe our little Muffled one. I don't want you to be hurt.
Hope you have a good sleep and that things are better in the morning. I'll be thinking of you.
You take good care now okay and come and talk to us in the morning
(((Muffled)))
Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 22:06:12
In reply to Re: ((((Muffled)))), posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 21:11:23
> please try not to hurt our muffled
> (((Muffled)))
> i hope you manage to get some sleep...
> and wake up feeling a lot better.
>
> do you know what the anger is about?Muffled can't sleep. I think she's, I am mad cuz despite my best efforts I exposed myself to hurt. I wasn't gonna post here anything but nice things to others, then I can't be hurt but mebbe be good for others. But then I got seriously freaked about Dr. Bobs home page thing and I wanted it to be ok. But noone really knows do they.Dr. Bob is silent(or maybe on holiday?!!?:)) And It bothered me. And then I realize that I must have exposed myself despite meyself and then the pain comes and the kid just don't like that. I also told my T. in a fax about meeting a real little one very briefly yesterday.I named her and she was SO happy. She was so sweet and happy and it made me like myself more cuz she is me. I'm not very separated really. Shes gone now. Melded with me I hope. I dunno what T. will make of that. She hasn't sent me to p doc cuz I don't need meds and she doesn't want a label put on me to carry around. I am nervous about some stuff too. So I am trying to connect with the part of me that causes the ongoing unhappiness, and she come out all right. I want to tell her its ok. She doesn't have to be scared and angry and hurt and confused,that its ok now. But I guess I better wait another day. I am exposing myself. I'm not so sure.
You're post. I've read it 10x. It feels nice. I'm trying to let it be so.Thank you.
Muffled
Posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 22:12:17
In reply to (((Muffled))) » muffled, posted by Damos on November 2, 2005, at 21:28:37
> Please be safe our little Muffled one. I don't want you to be hurt.
>
> Hope you have a good sleep and that things are better in the morning. I'll be thinking of you.
>
> You take good care now okay and come and talk to us in the morning
>
> (((Muffled)))Thank you, thank you so much. Just had a moment there. I am all settled now. I don't think I will be hurt tonite. I think I have gotten it together. I think so. You wrote simple and nice words. Maybe she heard them. I did. Thank you. I hope you ok too. I heard you kissed someone on one of the boards you wild thing! YEAH!
Muffled
Posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 22:55:48
In reply to Re: ((((Muffled)))) » alexandra_k, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 22:06:12
> I wasn't gonna post here anything but nice things to others, then I can't be hurt but mebbe be good for others.
That is a lovely thought :-)
But... Well... We like to hear what you think too. And we'd like to be here to support you too. Sometimes with posting... There can be a little bit of risk involved. Will people understand me? Will people be harsh with me? Will they just tell me to pull myself together? Have I completely lost it? Sometimes its that little risk... That has the potential to help us out so very much as others receive us sympathetically.>But then I got seriously freaked about Dr. Bobs home page thing and I wanted it to be ok.
Ah. I didn't get that you were seriously freaked...
>But noone really knows do they.Dr. Bob is silent(or maybe on holiday?!!?:)) And It bothered me.
Sometimes you have to give him a couple days...
Sometimes even a week...
After that... Its about time to make sure he saw it ;-)
Seriously though. Patience...
(I say this because I used to get wound up about his ignoring me after only a few hours but I guess I'm being trained well)
;-)> And then I realize that I must have exposed myself despite meyself and then the pain comes and the kid just don't like that.
(((muffled)))
> I also told my T. in a fax about meeting a real little one very briefly yesterday.I named her and she was SO happy. She was so sweet and happy and it made me like myself more cuz she is me. I'm not very separated really. Shes gone now. Melded with me I hope.
:-)
Sounds like your 'inner child'. A lot of people have them. The little and vulnerable (and sometimes happy) part of you.>I dunno what T. will make of that. She hasn't sent me to p doc cuz I don't need meds and she doesn't want a label put on me to carry around.
Good idea.
>I am nervous about some stuff too. So I am trying to connect with the part of me that causes the ongoing unhappiness, and she come out all right. I want to tell her its ok. She doesn't have to be scared and angry and hurt and confused,that its ok now. But I guess I better wait another day. I am exposing myself. I'm not so sure.
Yeah. Sometimes that can help... Othertimes... For me anyway... It doesn't seem to so much... It is hard for me to know how to cope with anger and frustration too...
> You're post. I've read it 10x. It feels nice. I'm trying to let it be so.Thank you.
:-)
You are welcome.
Your hugs are like that.
Posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 23:46:40
In reply to Re: ((((Muffled)))) » muffled, posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 22:55:48
> >But then I got seriously freaked about Dr. Bobs home page thing and I wanted it to be ok.> >But noone really knows do they.Dr. Bob is silent(or maybe on holiday?!!?:)) And It bothered me.
Actually... About that. No. Nobody knows for sure. But I guess the people who have been here for longer have more of a reason to trust him. (Because trust is something that is earned over time) If Dr Bob turns out to be some kind of satanist then I have to say I will be verrrrrrry suprised. Especially since his concern to give all peoples spiritual beliefs a fair hearing / expression over on the faith board.
But that quote... Just that little quote about what doesn't kill us makes us stronger... Well that quote is fairly famous. Fairly famous. And I think it may have been an attempt to be amusing to adapt it to apply to the website.
Lots of people like that quote without having read much (or any) of the other stuff that that guy has written.
Really.
Posted by alexandra_k on November 3, 2005, at 0:20:26
In reply to Re: ((((Muffled)))), posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 23:46:40
> Given his disgust with anti-semites, it's very ironic that Nietzsche has been so misused by them, by men and women whom he would have despised. A large part of the blame for this lies with his sister, Elizabeth Förster-Nietzsche, who was Nietzsche's literary executor and biographer, and who shared her husband's anti-semitism. Not only did she misrepresent Nietzsche, but late in life she gladly lent Nietzsche's name to the Nazi cause. Thus it's not terribly surprising that a great many of those who, for instance, have seen the photo of Hitler posing by a bust of Nietzsche at the Nietzsche Museum have come to the conclusion that Nietzsche shared Hitler's anti-semitism and political views. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth, and it's highly probable that Nietzsche would have outright hated Hitler. An additional reason for thinking that this is so is that Nietzsche despised the German Reich, which was being consolidated by Bismarck during Nietzsche's adult years.
But the mistaken impression that Nietzsche was a Nazi precursor lingers, and probably will for decades to come. It's a useful myth for both left-wing and right-wing totalitarians who wish to confuse Nietzsche's strident individualism with anti-semitism and Nazism.
At the same time, it must be admitted that many portions of Nietzsche's writings lend themselves to misinterpretation. This is particularly true of his writings on the Superman. The very word seems to conjure up images of blond-haired, blue-eyed Hitler Youth and goose-stepping stormtroopers. But what Nietzsche had in mind was very different: a being who has abandoned crippling Christian "slave-morality," who has full mastery over himself and always acts in his own interests, who looks at the world as it is, free of illusions and irrational beliefs, and who says a triumphant "yes!" to life. In short, Nietzsche's Superman is very much his own man, and is the antithesis of the slavish, blind follower of Hitler.
[yes, that was how he characterised christianity. but in general and with respect to what christianity praised as the virtues etc - its not about particular people]
> But again, it must be emphasized that part of the responsibility for the misinterpretation of his works lies with Nietzsche himself. Unfortunately, he repeatedly ignored the maxim, "Good writers have two things in common: they prefer being understood to being admired, and they do not write for the critical and overly shrewd reader." Nietzsche was a fine stylist, and seemingly couldn't resist a good turn of phrase or play on words—sometimes to the detriment of clarity of meaning. He was also prone to hyperbole and often wrote for effect, especially to shock. (Large portions of The Anti-Christ, notably the concluding section, are good illustrations of this.) All this lends itself to misinterpretation.
> So, Nietzsche is not entirely blameless for the misuse of his works. If George Orwell's dictum is correct—that political (and by extension philosophical) writing should be as clear as a pane of glass—then Nietzsche's writing fails the test in many places. If his writing were clearer, there would be no need for the numerous exegetic Nietzsche texts, no need for books such as What Nietzsche Really Said. (In contrast, there's no need for exegetic texts for philosophers such as Bertrand Russell; if one wants to know what Russell meant, all one needs to do is read his works—Russell's meaning is almost always plain.
[Well... Comparatively I suppose]
> Because of this, one cannot imagine Russell's writings being misused by, for instance, anti-semitic cretins; and one cannot imagine a book titled What Bertrand Russell Really Said.)
> Still, this has not stopped many of Nietzsche's defenders from trying to exculpate him entirely. Some even attempt to present his failings as virtues. A good example of this can be found in the generally quite useful What Nietzsche Really Said, in the section in which the authors attempt to dismiss the contradictions in Nietzsche's writings: "What sounds like a contradiction is actually a sign of our ongoing engagement with reality." By this, they apparently mean that because Nietzsche's meaning is sometimes unclear, the reader will be forced to think through the contradictory ideas Nietzsche at times presents—thus lack of clarity and self-contradiction become, in their view, a virtue.
[And this is why analytic philosophers tend to write off continental philosophers...]
> Another example of apologetics is provided by noted Nietzsche translator and biographer Walter Kaufmann in his otherwise admirable The Portable Nietzsche:
Doubtless Nietzsche has attracted crackpots and villains, but perhaps the percentage is no higher than in the case of Jesus. As [Jacques] Maritain has said: "If books were judged by the bad uses man can put them to, what book has been more misused than the Bible?"
This defense of Nietzsche is at least as suspect as the sophistic claim that contradictions are "sign[s] of our ongoing engagement with reality." In the first place, has the Bible really been misused? While it is a mishmash of myth, history, absurdities, contradictions, and mind-numbingly dull recitations of genealogy, it's also extremely difficult to read numerous passages, including Exodus 22:18 ("Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live") and Leviticus 20:15 ("And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast"), as anything other than direct incitements to murder. (One might add that the sentence imposed in the latter verse seems manifestly unfair to the poor, sexually abused beast.)> And even granting the dubious proposition that the Bible has been "misused," is this a point in its favor? If a book can be easily misinterpreted so as to justify mass murder and mayhem, is this a point for or against it?
> The same applies to Nietzsche. Again, one can only wish that Nietzsche had consistently followed the useful maxim concerning " being understood [rather than] being admired" and not writing "for the critical and overly shrewd reader."
> In contrast to the above apologetics, Mencken is on occasion refreshingly critical of Nietzsche. On pages 85 and 86 of this volume, he attacks as an "imbecile flight of speculation" Nietzsche's comments (most notably in The Anti-Christ) that the Jews "revenged" themselves by imposing their "slave-morality" upon their masters; and on page 95 he attacks Nietzsche's "atheistic determinism," pointing out that if Nietzsche really believed in determinism he would never have bothered to attempt to convince anyone of anything, let alone spent his precious energy writing polemical books.
Posted by alexandra_k on November 3, 2005, at 1:46:40
In reply to Re: ((((Muffled)))), posted by alexandra_k on November 3, 2005, at 0:20:26
hmm. well, maybe thats a little dodgey too.
" being understood [rather than] being admired" and not writing "for the critical and overly shrewd reader."
i would have thought it would be better to write for the critical and overly shrewd reader...
what else is one supposed to do?
target the gullible?
Posted by fairywings on November 3, 2005, at 8:16:37
In reply to I going bad.**TRigger**, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 20:54:36
I'm glad you're feeling better muffled. I don't want you to get blocked again. I missed you. Hope your little one comes back and gives you more joy.
fw
Posted by fairywings on November 3, 2005, at 8:18:00
In reply to Re: ((((Muffled)))), posted by alexandra_k on November 3, 2005, at 0:20:26
> > Given his disgust with anti-semites, it's very ironic that Nietzsche has been so misused by them, by men and women whom he would have despised. A large part of the blame for this lies with his sister, Elizabeth Förster-Nietzsche, who was Nietzsche's literary executor and biographer, and who shared her husband's anti-semitism. Not only did she misrepresent Nietzsche, but late in life she gladly lent Nietzsche's name to the Nazi cause. Thus it's not terribly surprising that a great many of those who, for instance, have seen the photo of Hitler posing by a bust of Nietzsche at the Nietzsche Museum have come to the conclusion that Nietzsche shared Hitler's anti-semitism and political views. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth, and it's highly probable that Nietzsche would have outright hated Hitler. An additional reason for thinking that this is so is that Nietzsche despised the German Reich, which was being consolidated by Bismarck during Nietzsche's adult years.
>
You all are way more intellectual than I am. I have a hard time even reading this, let alone absorbing it. You are both very smart.
fw
Posted by rainbowbrite on November 3, 2005, at 8:22:09
In reply to Re: ((((Muffled)))) » alexandra_k, posted by fairywings on November 3, 2005, at 8:18:00
> > > Given his disgust with anti-semites, it's very ironic that Nietzsche has been so misused by them, by men and women whom he would have despised. A large part of the blame for this lies with his sister, Elizabeth Förster-Nietzsche, who was Nietzsche's literary executor and biographer, and who shared her husband's anti-semitism. Not only did she misrepresent Nietzsche, but late in life she gladly lent Nietzsche's name to the Nazi cause. Thus it's not terribly surprising that a great many of those who, for instance, have seen the photo of Hitler posing by a bust of Nietzsche at the Nietzsche Museum have come to the conclusion that Nietzsche shared Hitler's anti-semitism and political views. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth, and it's highly probable that Nietzsche would have outright hated Hitler. An additional reason for thinking that this is so is that Nietzsche despised the German Reich, which was being consolidated by Bismarck during Nietzsche's adult years.
> >
> You all are way more intellectual than I am. I have a hard time even reading this, let alone absorbing it. You are both very smart.
> fwAgreed! i have a hard time just looking at it
Posted by muffled on November 3, 2005, at 11:32:08
In reply to I going bad.**TRigger**, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 20:54:36
I don't understand??????Thanks for replys. Very nice. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. :(
Posted by Damos on November 3, 2005, at 15:56:35
In reply to Re: (((Muffled))) » Damos, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 22:12:17
Hey Muffled,
How you doin' today, did you get some sleep and is everyone okay?
Hey don't worry too much about the PBC I got one too a little while ago for using someone elses words. The important thing is that you didn't mean any harm. I guess it's pretty hard for Dr Bob, gosh I mean he has his work, family, life and Babble too, gotta be hard doing all the things and being in all the places he needs to be as much as he'd like. Who knows, maybe when he's had a look at the rest of the thread and sees the whys and wherefores he might reconsider the PBC.
It's good you're here with us, and you have been doing good things, I've seen 'em. I know you're trying real hard and I'm proud of you.
Don't worry if you can't make too much sense of Mr N*, I only tried to read his stuff once and it just made my brain ache. Guess there's only so far you can stretch a single brain cell :-)
Guess none of us quite understood how much that stuff was upsetting you and that musta been really frustrating for you. Sorry.
Hope you didn't get hurt or too messed up last night. Extra big hugs for all of you.
((((((((((Muffled))))))))))
Posted by sleepygirl on November 3, 2005, at 17:25:44
In reply to I going bad.**TRigger**, posted by muffled on November 2, 2005, at 20:54:36
hang in there now muffly - you know I need some foul mouthed people to talk to right? :-)
but seriously, feeling crazy is not fun - hang on tight, try to find some solace here and wherever you can - you know we like you no matter what right?
Posted by fairywings on November 4, 2005, at 18:42:48
In reply to Re: I going bad.**TRigger** » muffled, posted by sleepygirl on November 3, 2005, at 17:25:44
Hi muffled, i'm thinking about you. hope today has been better.
fw
Posted by muffled on November 7, 2005, at 23:13:48
In reply to How's our Muffled today?, posted by Damos on November 3, 2005, at 15:56:35
> Hey Muffled,
>
> How you doin' today, did you get some sleep and is everyone okay?*don't know
>
> Hey don't worry too much about the PBC I got one too a little while ago for using someone elses words. The important thing is that you didn't mean any harm. I guess it's pretty hard for Dr Bob, gosh I mean he has his work, family, life and Babble too, gotta be hard doing all the things and being in all the places he needs to be as much as he'd like. Who knows, maybe when he's had a look at the rest of the thread and sees the whys and wherefores he might reconsider the PBC.*Doubt it.
>
> It's good you're here with us, and you have been doing good things, I've seen 'em. I know you're trying real hard and I'm proud of you.*Thank-you, thats nice
>
> Don't worry if you can't make too much sense of Mr N*, I only tried to read his stuff once and it just made my brain ache. Guess there's only so far you can stretch a single brain cell :-)*Yeah, know how you feel
>
> Guess none of us quite understood how much that stuff was upsetting you and that musta been really frustrating for you. Sorry.*not so much frustrating as I was kinda freaked
>
> Hope you didn't get hurt or too messed up last night. Extra big hugs for all of you.* not toooo bad.
>
> ((((((((((Muffled))))))))))OH THank-you,VERY nice. I needed that.
Posted by muffled on November 7, 2005, at 23:18:14
In reply to Re: I going bad.**TRigger** » muffled, posted by sleepygirl on November 3, 2005, at 17:25:44
> hang in there now muffly - you know I need some foul mouthed people to talk to right? :-)
>
*What the f*ck you talkin bout? i don't talk no bad sh*t!> but seriously, feeling crazy is not fun - hang on tight, try to find some solace here and wherever you can - you know we like you no matter what right?
*Its funny, thats sort of a cliche line, but damned if it don't feel real good, really.
Thanks Sleepy, I'm just going thru and around and about and trying to make sure I reply cuz its important to me when people reply. I may be doing it 2x?!!
Muffled.
Posted by muffled on November 7, 2005, at 23:21:51
In reply to Re: I going bad.**TRigger**, posted by muffled on November 7, 2005, at 23:18:14
ened to the auto cuss remover thing?????????I wrote d*mned and it didn't take it out??????????Am I in trouble again????????????Why didn't it work?????????Is it not a cuss?
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