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Posted by MamaB on October 20, 2003, at 13:50:42
Dr. Bob,
I did not begin reading or posting on the Faith board of Psychobabble until today. I am shocked! Perhaps I should attempt to explain something......
As Christians we care very deeply about others, and I certainly want to be lovingly supportive of other human beings as persons of great value. However,it appears that as soon as we express the basic tenant of our faith, that very core, that which gives us a heart for others ......we are blocked. It would be nearly impossible to say ANYTHING on this board
if we cannot speak and live out that which is fundamental to us ....TRUTH. We are not intolerant,narrow or exclusive as we are sometimes painted; quite the contrary, we welcome ALL who would enter the fold.
My faith has been the very reason that I have survived mental illness, and gone on to practice professionally, that I may share that healing, and from whence it came with others.
I know you can block me if you choose, but I do not believe that anything I have said here is not loving and sensitive. I cannot be asked to "support" views that speak untruths.
However, if you DO block me your intolerance will be showing........is that sensitive and supportive of me and my brothers and sisters?
Posted by MamaB on October 20, 2003, at 14:08:55
In reply to Christian Catch 22 Dr. Bob, posted by MamaB on October 20, 2003, at 13:50:42
By the way you give only a partial definition of "religion" and do not define "faith" at all at the top of this page.....here is the entire definition for those who might be interested:
Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY
Date: 13th century
1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith**
*FAITH
PRONUNCIATION: AUDIO: fth KEY
NOUN: 1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See synonyms at belief. , trust.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.
IDIOM: in faith Indeed; truly.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Anglo-Norman fed, from Latin fids. See bheidh- in Appendix I.
Posted by lesley barrett on October 20, 2003, at 17:58:10
In reply to Re: Christian Catch 22 Dr. Bob, posted by MamaB on October 20, 2003, at 14:08:55
I worry a little about people that try to make others follow them in their beliefs, it smacks of an inability to accept others as they are, and judgements, suggesting you are not ok as you are, and also elitism saying that their way is the right way and yours isnt...its a huge world out there and where you are born determines predominantly what religion you choose.. cultural influences, parental directives etc... i think if its good for you do it, you obviously need that direction to help you obtain balance and feel ok about yourself, but that doesnt apply to everyone.. go in peace and leave others to find their own... we all have our paths to tred, and our footprints to make... and to feel loved and respected for who we are...
Posted by MamaB on October 20, 2003, at 18:28:14
In reply to Re: Christian Catch 22 Dr. Bob, posted by lesley barrett on October 20, 2003, at 17:58:10
> I worry a little about people that try to make others follow them in their beliefs, it smacks of an inability to accept others as they are, and judgements, suggesting you are not ok as you are, and also elitism saying that their way is the right way and yours isnt...its a huge world out there and where you are born determines predominantly what religion you choose.. cultural influences, parental directives etc... i think if its good for you do it, you obviously need that direction to help you obtain balance and feel ok about yourself, but that doesnt apply to everyone.. go in peace and leave others to find their own... we all have our paths to tred, and our footprints to make... and to feel loved and respected for who we are...
You can worry on Leslie, but I am fine with who I am. Have you read my post to Tovah? It will save me writing it here again. I do not judge anyone by ANY externals (skin color, faith, where they live, their cultural mores etc)I have spent a pretty fair chunk of my life in cultures other than my native one (which, by the way, is not the USA) and I have learned a great deal about other people and cultures. Nowhere in any of my posts have I EVER said that my way is the right way and others are wrong. (again, read above posts). I expressed an opinion to Dr. Bob based on my reading of posts at this site. That is all. I do love and respect you Leslie. MB
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 21, 2003, at 0:17:52
In reply to Christian Catch 22 Dr. Bob, posted by MamaB on October 20, 2003, at 13:50:42
> it appears that as soon as we express the basic tenant of our faith, that very core, that which gives us a heart for others ......we are blocked.
Sorry, but the current system may mean not posting some aspects of some beliefs.
> We are not intolerant,narrow or exclusive as we are sometimes painted; quite the contrary, we welcome ALL who would enter the fold.
And those who would not?
> I cannot be asked to "support" views that speak untruths.
And this board can't accommodate everyone. Best wishes,
Bob
Posted by MamaB on October 21, 2003, at 5:24:57
In reply to Re: Potential Catch 22, posted by Dr. Bob on October 21, 2003, at 0:17:52
For people who chose other paths than Christianity? Just love them where they are.
You are right, there are some things best not said here, and I shall attempt to be cautious. However, I will defend my faith against detractors while still loving them as fellow human beings. Thanks for responding
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 22, 2003, at 1:20:00
In reply to Re: Potential Catch 22 Dr. Bob, posted by MamaB on October 21, 2003, at 5:24:57
> You are right, there are some things best not said here, and I shall attempt to be cautious.
Thanks.
> However, I will defend my faith against detractors while still loving them as fellow human beings.
Defending your faith here is fine if you do it in a civil way, but please remember that another option is just to let me address it, since detracting isn't supportive...
Bob
Posted by MamaB on October 22, 2003, at 7:26:17
In reply to Re: Defending your faith, posted by Dr. Bob on October 22, 2003, at 1:20:00
Dr. Bob,
Thanks for your reply. I understand what you are saying. So far I have found MOST folks who are willing to enter into dialogue to be pretty reasonable. MB
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