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Posted by habbyshabit on July 1, 2003, at 23:41:39
Temmie and anyone else with an interest...
I channel a group called variously - The Arlon Council of ElderSouls, The Arlon Council, Arlon, the Ancient Ones, but mostly just Arlon.
At the moment, I am in contact with them inside when I choose to turn towards their wisdom. At times when my mind is churning it works to use the computer or a journal and write with them, Q&A wise. We have also started, and with long spaces in between, a book called "The Arlon Council’s Pocket Guide to Inner Peace and Quiet".
For five years, while I traveled around the Rocky Mountain States with my husband chasing construction jobs, I channeled for groups and privately for individuals. I preferred living rooms as a venue and called them Arlon Gatherings. Since we didn't stay put for long, I never built a large going thing, though I made some life long friends.
Arlon has always told me that activity with them would increase in my fifties. I'm 48. I'm comfortable with the way things are flowing. The last time I vocal channeled them was in October in PA for a girlfriend I hadn't seen for almost 20 years. I hadn't done a "live" channeling for quite a while and wondered if it was like riding a bike or if I might have trouble bringing them through. Fortunately it's like a bike at this point.
That's the short of it. They are a very loving energy and very Earthy. They say they are old souls who have chosen this planet as a favorite spot from time before time. Considering the countless human incarnations among them, they feel very familiar and compassionate towards our troubles and foibles.
Of course, I love them and owe them a lot with respect to my own growth and development. I enjoy the vocal channeling but found during the last year the process was initiating hypo manic
episodes and this is one of the reasons I took a sabbatical.As you might imagine, for a person who had been psychotic 5 times in her life, this was a very hard process to trust at first.
Thanks for asking.
Habby
Posted by rayww on July 2, 2003, at 19:55:50
In reply to Temmie/ or anyone - about channeling, posted by habbyshabit on July 1, 2003, at 23:41:39
When you do this channeling, are your thoughts centered on Christ or some other figure? Does this have anything to do with a particular religion (pardon me if this has been explained in an earlier post, as I haven't caught up)
A lot of things fascinate me, particularly things of the mind. I believe most miracles that take place work through natural means, we just don't understand the processes. God works through natural laws to accomplish his purposes. It only makes sense that man is capable of discovering many, if not all the natural laws. I'm rambling, but what I think I am trying to say is just because a natural law is discovered by man does not mean it has an automatic connection to God. God works through natural combined with spiritual laws, and his gifts are granted according to desire and obedience to his eternal unchangable laws. A favorite scripture of mine, "there is a law irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world upon which all blessings are predicated. And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.
http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/130/20#20
Satan also believes in and works through natural law, but abuses it to fulfill his evil designs.
I suppose I do what you label channeling too. In fact I am quite good at it. Approaching mania when I am soaring, I am really good at it.
I like my moods. When I feel a severe one lurking I now take a handful of supplements (if necessary), and that usually gets me back on track again. I am trying really hard to let the spiritual side heal me by trying to be obedient to God's commandments as I understand them. I make a lot of mistakes, but by partaking weekly of His sacrament, I am able to begin each week with a clean slate and work from there. At least that's what is in my heart and soul.
I looked up a book that was recommended in an earlier post "The Waking Dream" I believe in the language of not so many words, and view the world symbolically. I have great respect for the ancient native american culture and feel that so much of their precious language has been lost. My passion is in this culture for some reason. I want to learn as much about it as I can, but not from books, from being in it, in my mind.
Posted by habbyshabit on July 3, 2003, at 0:21:16
In reply to channeling?, posted by rayww on July 2, 2003, at 19:55:50
Dear Rayww
Thanks for asking your questions. I am always grateful to clear up misunderstandings about the process of being a medium and channeling beings who are not now incarnated here on earth.
Every channeler finds their own method for getting into the space where these other-worldly beings may use their vocal chords, and sometimes their entire body as well. Some channels, like the fellow who published "Conversations With God", do it strictly by writing what they 'hear' from the other side. I do it all. I allow Arlon to speak, use my entire body, and write. When writing with them - they feel like the 'still small voice within'. I hear them in my mind. Yet that voice does not have tone, and the other qualities that you would 'hear' remembering or thinking of someone you know well, talking to you.
Arlon claims to belong to no particular religious organization. They say they have participated in many while spending lives here on earth and so are familiar with them. When I relax myself to the place where they can then speak 'through' me and use my body to visit with people, I clear my thoughts of all images, ideas, and ruminations to the best of my ability. I've meditated much, so this comes easy. When they are speaking to a crowd or an individual, I can hear what is going on and what is being said. I feel like a point of consciousness at that point. It's like I'm hovering in my head somewhere in the middle of my brain. In the early days, it was hard to stay quiet and not want to get involved in the conversation or suggest to Arlon what to say. As time went on, I got better at being still and enjoying the meeting. I usually remember best any concepts and metaphors that I had not heard before. When the channeling is over, it feels like I was sitting in the audience. Later it starts to feel more dream like and only the new stuff stays with me.
I always get the most incredible feedback from the folks who have conversations with Arlon. Their experience is one of a very loving, compassionate and wise person. Some people experience them as male, others female. They always sound the same when they speak and always have the same personality even though it is a group consciousness that creates the phenomenon.
While I can believe there are channels who channel negative and destructive information, what you might call the Devil, Arlon is not that. Since I am aware of all that goes on - something I insisted on from the start - I would have quit if the information where anything other then respectful, non-controlling and full of love and compassion. Arlon fits the bill.
Some channels are called 'Trance Channels' and do not remember what came through them. Some of them are very, very good as well. Having been manic-psychotic five times in my life, that would be too scary for me.
I too prefer to live my life from what goes on within. I do read, but the ultimate authority is my own mind and experience. I have tested Arlon’s suggestions over the years and have not been disappointed.
Warmest Regards,
Habby
Posted by Mercury on July 3, 2003, at 12:34:20
In reply to Re: channeling - to Rayww » rayww, posted by habbyshabit on July 3, 2003, at 0:21:16
While I do believe in the validity of the concept of channeling, I find that I have mixed feelings when it comes to many channels. I just find it difficult to know who is having an authentic experience, who is putting us on and who is just nuts. Have you ever heard of "Aranya and the Pixies"? http://www.seanet.com/~waltc/page4.html Same kinda thing I guess. I once knew a guy who swore by thier teachings...he turned out to be a total fraud. Still, with the amount of importance I put in channelings from people like Neale Walsch and Jane Roberts, I suppose I'm not in a position to judge people who believe in these "other worldly higher being" types. Afterall, there have been many times where I felt like this "Mercury" character was taking on a life of his own...through me. Still, it never reached the point where I could see a definite line between where I stopped and he began. On the other hand, I am a "creative professional" in the field of communications, and I have often described what I do as "channeling" because when I'm on top of my game, its like I'm running on automatic. Looks like this feeling is something of a theme in this room. Even our Christian friend Ray has experiences with it. So perhaps we should dig a little deeper. Is this a function of our mental illness? Or is this something real? I suspect that its both.
I wonder Habby, do you think that Arlon would be willing to make an appearance in this forum? I'd like to ask a few questions.
Mercury
Posted by rayww on July 3, 2003, at 20:18:26
In reply to Re: channeling - to Rayww, posted by Mercury on July 3, 2003, at 12:34:20
I like that, "when I'm on top of my game it's like I'm in automatic" That is an authentic description of how it feels. But just because it feels, is it real? Surely discernment is of utmost importance here.
Posted by habbyshabit on July 4, 2003, at 8:55:37
In reply to Re: channeling - to Rayww, posted by Mercury on July 3, 2003, at 12:34:20
Mercury: I started reading Jane Roberts and Seth at the tender age of 17. Someone lent me the book a Seth book shortly after I arrived at Penn State for my freshman year. It was that weird covered paper back with a picture of Jane channeling Seth (and of course no where in any of the books she or she and Seth wrote did the use the word Channeling. That word was coined by JZ Knight and her channeled entity, Ramtha, in the early eighties. Jane was doing most of her work with Seth in the Sixties and Seventies. She referred to herself as a Medium. ). That early edition had a black background, Jane was in black and white I think, and then there was a spiraling thin red line overtop of the photograph. I think the book was called “”The Seth Material””, but then maybe it was called “” Developing Your ESP Powers”” and then changed to the first title at a later date. At any rate, I’m not sure. After reading that book, I moved on to “”The Nature of Personal Reality; A Seth Book”” and I was hooked. I read all she had published to date and then bought the hard covers as they came out. I spent more time in excited anticipation over those books then any of these folks waiting for the next Harry Potter novel!
All this to say, I know exactly what you mean by running into an “Aspect” of yourself. It’s pretty cool that you are that familiar with Seth’s terminology and concepts. “Personal Reality’ became somewhat of a bible to me for many years. When I finished the book where Jane’s Husband, Rob, describes her departure from this green earth, I cry into my pillow for a good long while. I grieved her passing like a family member. It took me a long time to even allow that any channel could be as good as her, or as clear. Especially myself!!!!!!!!
I am also a very big fan of the CWG series of books. While I think some of the writing gets clouded at times with Neale’s ego, most of it is very clear, fresh and incredibly enlightening. He’s come out with another conversation book called “”Revelations, a Conversation with God””. Neale also never calls himself a channel. He prefers ‘messenger’. He’s only an automatic writer really, not channeling as we’ve come to understand the term. He never sits in front of crowd and closes his eyes and goes through the transformation it takes to allow another being, not of this world, to use the body to speak. I think marketing wise, he made a very wise decision (if indeed it was thought out) to not call himself a Medium or Channel. It allows his books to be classified under Religion, New Age, or Spirituality. It’s not put on the shelves labeled “Channeled Books” or “Occult”. He’s done incredibly well.
But then so has Lee Carrol and Kryon. http://kryon.com Lee travels the world and sells a bazillion books and makes no bones about what he does. He spends a bit of energy debunking the myths and negative hype surrounding channeling.
Yes there are frauds. Sometimes they are not even aware that they are frauds! Their ego’s become so inflated that they are fooling themselves most of all. Some do it intentionally either for attention or money or whatever. Some are channeling honestly but are not ‘clear’ channels in that their personalities get mixed with the message and the entity that actually is available can only get a fraction of the wisdom that is inherently there. All these things worried me the first few years that I was doing it. I would come out of the space I go to and ask the group or individual, “Did that feel real”. My inner relationship with Arlon is without a doubt real. I trust them more then any human I have known. But going through the transformation of becoming Arlon and then answering questions from the gathering of people for an hour and a half as Arlon is a whole other ball of wax.
I don’t think what you and Ray describe as getting into a ‘zone’ and on ’automatic pilot’ and being very productive and creative is channeling per se. It’s inspiration perhaps, coming from your muse or higher self or even other worldly beings. However, it’s still ’you’, with a lot of help! That’s just my opinion. You’d easily find others who would call it channeling - channeling energy, channeling the universal source of good work or what ever - but I’m a purist, as you can imagine. Jane, Neale, Lee Carrol, JZ Knight, among others - are doing something quite different.
Can I answer questions posed to Arlon here? I could. I don’t know if DR BOB would go for that. I started a web page with the idea that it could be an interface for Arlon to visit with people via the world wide web. When I do live channeling, Arlon always conducts it in a Q&A format. I asked a number of friends of Arlon’s, who lived at a distance, if they would send a few questions, or start an email conversation with Arlon to see if I could do it and if it would work ok - it did. So web site was launched. I never did any advertising as I finished the site shortly before I decided to quit for awhile. I never got one response !! You can see the front page, which is all there is at this time, at http://members.tripod.com/elenamullein . The email link is no longer operative.
Elena Mullein is the name I use when doing Arlon. It is not me real name. I felt the need to keep my metaphysical doings separate from my private and family life. I don’t tell every one I meet that I’m a medium! My husband worked as a Union heavy equipment operator. The blue collar world is pretty conservative. Plus, I just prefer people know me as a homemaker and wife. If I meet a kindred spirit, I share that side of myself. Here in SE Idaho, I have yet to meet any!
That is why I enjoying this conversation with you folks so much.Here’s Arlon’s previous closure to emails:
“May you find peace on your jouney. May your path be full of wonder.”
In All Love,
Habby
Posted by rayww on July 4, 2003, at 12:28:42
In reply to Re: channeling - to Mercury and Rayww, posted by habbyshabit on July 4, 2003, at 8:55:37
Habby, what you write is interesting. I did a little studying on it this morning and have a few questions.
Before you begin your spiritual journeying do you pray to God? Who is Arlan?
What are other names for channeling? Does it include astrology, is it the same as divination?
Are you aware of the fine line between true and false channeling? Obviously you are because you mention frauds who aren't even aware they are frauds.
Are there general guideposts in this occupation or is every channeller free to determine their own?
The fact that there is money involved makes me a skeptic, because a true prophet does nothing for profit. When I have done it I write questions to my friend called POES (Person Offering Emotional Support) and then receive answers. And I make sure that whatever is written fits into the standard of my belief.
http://scriptures.lds.org/amos/3/7#7In your study and reading, have you also read the Old Testament?
Anciently astrology was based upon the premise that the earth was at the center of the universe. How does new discovery of planets, magnetic astroids, moons, etc affect the signs? Are there any ancient beliefs that come with channeling?
Those are some of my questions, and I'm going to post one of the articles I studied that has provided some answers. I believe that what you do is real, and includes some wisdom, but could it be classified as scripture? If so, whose?
Posted by Mercury on July 4, 2003, at 22:40:32
In reply to Re: channeling - to Mercury and Rayww, posted by habbyshabit on July 4, 2003, at 8:55:37
I think as long as we stay on topic Dr. Bob would allow Arlon to answer some questions. I'll do my best to ask relevant questions. But if you're not up to it right now, that's cool we can come back to it later. Or not.
M
Posted by rayww on July 5, 2003, at 10:22:49
In reply to Re: channeling - to Rayww, posted by Mercury on July 3, 2003, at 12:34:20
I meant to thank you for referring to me as your Christian friend.
> Even our Christian friend Ray has experiences with it. So perhaps we should dig a little deeper. Is this a function of our mental illness? Or is this something real? I suspect that its both.
>I think your suspicions are correct. Have you ever wondered if some Prophets were bipolar as well? They rapid cycle from the depths of despair to the height of enlightenment within a few scripture verses. Once again, the two distinct sides. My position that both Satan and God work through natural spiritual law, and are ever present in the battle within for our souls rests here.
Sheesh, you can't serve God and Mammon. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or love the one and despise the other. But we all try to do it, me included.
http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=god+mammon&search.x=22&search.y=9
How do we know what it is we serve? If we serve God we are able to pray. But, it is important to understand where darkness fits into the etermal plan. I agree with you or Tabby who said darkness is an essential element, for if we did not have the bitter we could not know the sweet and we could not know ourselves either.
http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/29/39#39
rambling rayww
Posted by Temmie on July 5, 2003, at 11:07:59
In reply to Temmie/ or anyone - about channeling, posted by habbyshabit on July 1, 2003, at 23:41:39
Thanks, Habby. Am writing from the public library as I'm not able to access new posts at home. Wishing you well. Going to read your many replies now. Temmie
Posted by habbyshabit on July 5, 2003, at 11:46:57
In reply to Re: channeling - Habby, posted by Mercury on July 4, 2003, at 22:40:32
Good Dr. Bob,
I don't know if you have been following this thread or not. If you have, you know that it has been requested of me to have the group consciousness that calls themselves 'The Arlon Council', whom I am the Medium and 'channel' for, to answer questions directly here on this thread.
I can do this as automatic writing is included in the ways that Arlon communicates with people. However, it is a bit out of the ordinary to do it on a message board such as this so I hesitate to do so until I get the go ahead from you.
It's your call - I will not be offended or feel that my particular brand of 'faith' has been put down in anyway.
Thanks for considering this.
Warm Regards,
Habby
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2003, at 12:31:10
In reply to Dr. Bob - Could you give your blessings?, posted by habbyshabit on July 5, 2003, at 11:46:57
> it has been requested of me to have the group consciousness that calls themselves 'The Arlon Council', whom I am the Medium and 'channel' for, to answer questions directly here on this thread.
I'm not sure I'd have considered that related to religious faith, but the definition does include "the supernatural"... Would you say you serve and worship them? If so, OK, give it a try here. If not, it would still be fine at Psycho-Social-Babble...
Bob
Posted by habbyshabit on July 7, 2003, at 2:18:53
In reply to Re: my particular brand of 'faith', posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2003, at 12:31:10
Thanks Dr. Bob,
Yes, I Worship them, though more in the sense that I would bow down and kiss their collective feet if I could. I worship the wisdom I have found interacting with them. I worship them as 'supernatural’ beings with humanity's best interest at heart.
I certainly serve them. I give over hours of my time to let myself BE them. I serve them by offering my body and consciousness with to communicate with others. I serve them in testing their advise to see if it is accurate and stands the test of time. They are 'the Gods that guide me'. So I'm going to go ahead give it a try on the faith board. I truly believe that this is where it belongs.
Thank you for your consideration and openness to the topic!
Best Regards,
Habby
Posted by Tabitha on July 31, 2003, at 1:36:53
In reply to Temmie/ or anyone - about channeling, posted by habbyshabit on July 1, 2003, at 23:41:39
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> As you might imagine, for a person who had been psychotic 5 times in her life, this was a very hard process to trust at first.
>Wow, Habby. I'm late replying to this thread, but I just read this all with fascination. I think you have incredible courage to be able to do this.
I lost all interest in spirituality for a long time. Part of it seemed like mood stabiliser side effects (or perhaps losing that interest was part of the intended action?), but definitely a lot was just fear of the fine line between some types of religious experience and mania. I was just mulling this over when I came across your story. Amazing.
Posted by habbyshabit on August 12, 2003, at 22:41:04
In reply to Re: Temmie/ or anyone - about channeling » habbyshabit, posted by Tabitha on July 31, 2003, at 1:36:53
Tabitha,
I've been absent from this board because of a sudden swing into exhaustion/depression. I was moved to read your response. I too steared clear of spirituality for a long time because of it's closeness to mania.
One of the reasons I've withdrawn my offer ( see stjame's thread below about Arlon ) is because my Bipolar has changed it's nature and I AM scared again. Seems my spiritual nature is latent also. Maybe it is the higher and steady dose of mood stabilizer I am on. I just feel jaded.
I hope you'll write some more. You sound like a kindred spirit.
Warm regards,
Habby
Posted by Tabitha on August 13, 2003, at 1:47:26
In reply to Re: Temmie/ or anyone - about channeling, posted by habbyshabit on August 12, 2003, at 22:41:04
Thanks for your reply. I almost hate to tax you by posting to you again.. so please don't feel obligated to answer if you were just checking in briefly. Take care of yourself!
I had a sudden resurgence of interest in spiritual matters, also linked to a period of high mood. I read this whole board over several days, after not having been here for a long long time. I was also doing a lot of web-surfing, mainly on the beliefnet site (the one with the quiz). Then I got scared of it all, and became obsessed with mundane concerns (mainly money). It's hard for me to allow myself to have the interest in spiritual things. I don't quite understand my resistance-- it's like I'm just not allowed to have non-rational beliefs and seek joyful experiences. Part of my inner critical parent I'm sure.
I'm trying to re-integrate my interest. I'm planning to attend a course in miracles group Wednesday night. There must be a way to have sanity and spirituality at the same time-- obviously there is, since I don't believe all the spiritual leaders are suffering brain chemistry oddities (but maybe some of them are). So maybe when I'm in the high moods, I'll be interested in channeling and more 'out there' types of experiences, and when I'm in the more normal moods, I'll just be interested in more ordinary daily things like prayer and meditation. Hey, that sounds hopeful, doesn't it?
Take care of yourself. I read your reply to stjames below-- I hope you don't berate yourself for offering Arlon, then not being able to follow through right away. It must take an enormous amount of energy to open yourself to Arlon. I especially hope you don't feel you have to prove anything to anyone who might be skeptical.
Posted by habbyshabit on August 15, 2003, at 21:13:00
In reply to Re: Temmie/ or anyone - about channeling » habbyshabit, posted by Tabitha on August 13, 2003, at 1:47:26
Tabitha,
Thanks for your kind and wise words. I wonder your age and at what age you where diagnosed. Spirituality was so much a part of my life forever - except during those times when I avoided it after trippy pschotic experiences. To feel jaded by it all now is sad. All the "tools" I felt I had learned from metaphysics and buddhism to navigate the illusion don't interest me at the moment - I find I don't even believe in them. I hope this is a function of the depression - but shouldn't I be able to use those ideas to pull myself out of this depression...
Ah well, this is depressinng. Good luck in your explorations. I'm sure this is a passing " dark night of the soul".
Hab
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